[crackerjackz]

Originally Posted by Usher

I really don't see why anyone would expect these motors to cost as little as the Netgain ones. The Calmotors specs show more than 10 times the power to weight ratio of the Warp motors. If they really did offer to sell their sports car system for $10,000 I would probably order one right now.

id be first on the list for 10,000 !! even 12,000 ... ! its absolutely perfect for what I need ... ... ill have to cantact them through my boss see if he gets a better price.

[COS]

Originally Posted by Usher

I really don't see why anyone would expect these motors to cost as little as the Netgain ones. The Calmotors specs show more than 10 times the power to weight ratio of the Warp motors. If they really did offer to sell their sports car system for $10,000 I would probably order one right now.

You're not comparing the sports car pkg ti the NetGain r u?
I was comparing the small car to the NetGaon Warp 9.

Maybe they would be willing to sell if there was a "Multiple Purchase" order or something.

Anyone know if they brake regen? It's kind of a deal breaker for me if they don't. Otherwise there's no great reason for the high price other than more torque.

[JRP3]

Pretty sure regen is a given in these motors, no reason not to do it.

[dreamer]

Originally Posted by Usher

I really don't see why anyone would expect these motors to cost as little as the Netgain ones. The Calmotors specs show more than 10 times the power to weight ratio of the Warp motors. If they really did offer to sell their sports car system for $10,000 I would probably order one right now.

It's not really a matter of costing as "little" as the Netgain motors. The Netgain motors are also hugely overpriced, because they are virtually handbuilt.

An advantage of electric motors vs. ICE engines is the small number of parts in an electric motor. It is simply a small number of components machined from copper and iron and relatively simple assembly. It isn't rocket science. Raw materials cost wouldn't be more than a few hundred dollars per motor.

The controller is another matter entirely. There you actually have some complexity and expensive components and assembly.

Still, economy of scale is the solution to the high initial design and tooling costs. If you believed there was a market of a million units a year for your design, you would spend a Billion dollars on an automated plant to produce that many.

That is what I mean when I say somebody needs to "bite the bullet". Put up a billion dollars and then profit even with a $1,000/unit OEM price. That is the price level it will take to make EV's as common as ICE's.

We'll know the time for electric vehicle adoption has come when we hear GE or somebody else has made this level of commitment. The fact that AC Propulsion, PML Flightlink, UQM, etc. have not attracted this level of investment is kind of surprising to me.

[Usher]

Originally Posted by dreamer

It's not really a matter of costing as "little" as the Netgain motors. The Netgain motors are also hugely overpriced, because they are virtually handbuilt.

Still, economy of scale is the solution to the high initial design and tooling costs. If you believed there was a market of a million units a year for your design, you would spend a Billion dollars on an automated plant to produce that many.

This is exactly why I said that $10,000 for the system would not be overpriced. No company has gone into mass production of high-power, low-weight electric drive systems, and it looks like no one is going to in the next couple years. You have to realize that if you want one of these systems right now, you'll have to pay an "early adopter fee." I don't have a problem with that, since that's how every new technology is.

[tomofreno]

Jeez, why doesn't someone just call them and ask the price? I just bought a different motor unfortunately. You sure see the effect of not having a wound rotor with Joule heating - look at how large the continuous power is!

Tom

[COS]

Originally Posted by dreamer

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Still, economy of scale is the solution to the high initial design and tooling costs. If you believed there was a market of a million units a year for your design, you would spend a Billion dollars on an automated plant to produce that many.

That is what I mean when I say somebody needs to "bite the bullet". Put up a billion dollars and then profit even with a $1,000/unit OEM price. That is the price level it will take to make EV's as common as ICE's.

If that's the case, then they should do as the software industry does. Sell the product at low cost and charge for the support. At every project you will need to get some type of support. They can tier their support for OEM, Small Conversion Shop and DIY'rs.

One can dream right?

[crackerjackz]

Originally Posted by tomofreno

Jeez, why doesn't someone just call them and ask the price? I just bought a different motor unfortunately. You sure see the effect of not having a wound rotor with Joule heating - look at how large the continuous power is!

Tom

Ive spoken to the salesmen over a few emails. price for the sports car package is 18,000 $ ... thats for one unit either company or individual . if a multiple order is done he says price goes down substantially ! ... salesman seems very nice and professional ! now I just have to convince my boss to pay 18,000 for a motors setup and over 25,000 $ in batteries ! im sure the motor is easy to convince im wondering how high he will jump when i tell him about the tek batteries ... !

[Usher]

I hadn't planned on purchasing parts for my conversion until this fall or winter, but I would be in for a group buy right now if you can find some other people to help bring the price down.

Did you ask them if they also have gearboxes for these motors? Ideally I'd be looking for a similar design to the Tesla Roadster and Ford Ranger EV gearboxes (motor mounted transversely, directly attached to the differential), preferably with a torsen limited slip differential. I'd be looking for something between 8:1 and 10:1 final drive ratio.

[COS]

Originally Posted by crackerjackz

Ive spoken to the salesmen over a few emails. price for the sports car package is 18,000 $ ... thats for one unit either company or individual .

Holy shit Batman! $18K? That's well outta my range there bro.