AGMs will be more expensive than flooded and will be more difficult to find
in 8v or 6v (don't even consider using 12v of either kind).
AGMs won't last nearly as long cycle-wise as floodeds.
Lithium will be 3-4 times as expensive as lead though they'll last 4-5
times as long. They have very little Peukert effect so you can make.much
better use of.the.stored.energy. If you can handle the up front cost (I
couldn't) you get much better cost per mile than lead.
[quote] "Stand Culp" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Actually, I was thinking along the lines of the non Lead Acid
> batteries for the conversion... there's been quite a bit of chatter
> on here about the 123s whatchacallemz. I haven't even skimmed the
> surface of that area yet.... and no next to nuthin, but depending,
> that seemed a good alternative to the flooded/AGM quandry.
> valid points, all. wait for it -
> but, when I was doing some reading on pros and cons of floodeds/AGMs
> one factoid that I had no inkling of: floodeds leak energy
> overnite, where AGMs maintain nearly full level also maintain charge
> level better in cold temps (and tho it doesn't snow much in town, it
> does get down there in the mercury dept. This would come under
> maintenance as you said....
> slightly off topicness: for the replacements of the three 12V deep
> cycles in the E-8 mower, the AGMs are less sensitive to being jolted
> shaken and stirred. Until I get the yard rototilled and evened out
> more, it's a bumpy damned ride on that lil tractor. It only needs 3
> batts so the expense is worth it for that application, as I'm gettin
> very low AHs outta those old Die Hards (saddest thing is, they were
> damned near bone dry when I picked the machine up from someone that's
> expert in these things, and should be ashamed he never checked the
> water level ARGGGG)
> I still have some research to do on prices for Deep Cycles, so the
> cautions in that regard are very timely, and will be taken into
> account. I don't really WANT to double the budget just on batteries.
> Yeah on the replacing the bed with something homemade to save some
> weight, seems like a hella lotta work for probably little actual
> thanks again for the input
> __________________________________________________ ________________________
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:41 AM, SLPinfo.org <email@example.com>
> > A couple of additional comments
> > Unless you have a sizeable budget lead may be your only choice. And
> > you're planning on a high. Voltage system such as.above.300 volts I would
> > avoid.AGMs. Floodeds need more.maintenance but are better for this
> > application.
> > Wayne Anderson in Twin Falls, ID tried.the "lighten the box" thing on an
> > S10 and didn't think.it.was.worth the effort. Check.out his evalbum
> > Peter Flipsen
> > On Jul 9, 2012 10:18 AM, "Stand Culp" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> >> Bruce and slpinfoprof:
> >> Thanks to both of you on your input
> >> Before I get started on that though, I'd like to underscore the info
> >> in the discussion list help page: I couldn't see my post, and after
> >> waiting awhile I checked out the help page and logged into the site
> >> and went to the Archive, and then could see it !! So, anyone having
> >> that problem, the Archive is yer solution.
> >> Now, on the S-10 thingz: I've pretty much decided on a fairly recent
> >> year S-10 pickup, extended cab 2 wheel drive.
> >> The factors I take into consideration to reach that conclusion are: I
> >> want the batteries under the bed (and the idea of the tilt bed for
> >> easy service access to the battery packs is awesome kewel, and clever
> >> as sliced bread. I can put a guitar in the extra room inside the cab
> >> and even a small amplifier. The bed will be handy for those trips to
> >> the small box supply stores, plumbing electrical outfit. I try to
> >> avoid the big box places like home depot and lowes, as everything in
> >> there is made in China
whereas Grover's stocks a lot of legacy
> >> things made in the good old USA! (excuse the soapbox on buying
> >> domestic: jobs here etc., as important to me as going green and
> >> boycotting the oil companies lol
> >> Another thing I thought of in regards to the 4x4 issue, aside from the
> >> complexity the added weight of those extra linkages, gears, etc., as
> >> well as the loss of efficiency with all those parts between the motor
> >> and the wheels. I'm not big on offroad fun these days anyway.
> >> The one thing that Bruce mentioned that I am really liking and will
> >> have to do some research on, is NOT buying a running used donor, but
> >> seeing what I can find at the salvage places on something newer, but
> >> without the pieces I'd need to remove anyway, and then a way to get
> >> rid of that ICE metal.
> >> On the batteries, I decided to go AGMs in my new Elec-Trak mower, as
> >> the die hard deep cycles are gettin pretty anemic. But, though I was
> >> thinking of going similarly in the S-10 conversion - we seldom get
> >> snow in town here, and the added traction weight with Lead Acid, isn't
> >> really an advantage for my situation, and more range is something I'd
> >> like to maximize, so, I need to do some heavy research in lighter
> >> battery tech like Lith-Ion or similar battery packs.
> >> Even though it will add a bit more weight, I really want the luxury
> >> things like power windows/locks. On passengers, one is enuf !!
> >> I really am serious about gettin a low profile canopy (same height as
> >> the cab) or a tonneau cover.
> >> I may go so far as to take the bed off and make something lighter, to
> >> also try and increase that range factor as much as possible. But,
> >> that's for the fine-tuning dept., after I have everything else running
> >> and charging smoothly....
> >> The sound system in one of my cars now is a radio/CD player, which
> >> has to suck a lotta juice, and thinkin MP3 would be a better way to
> >> go. Good speakers etc. are also a weight issue though. So, I'm gonna
> >> need to do some research in that area too. Some of this seems kinda
> >> nitpicking and superficial in a sense, but it's part of the big
> >> picture. Luxury, but practicality too. Range is a big deal, but
> >> fortunately, across the river (in Portland, Ore) they're putting in
> >> more recharging stations for electric vehicles, and there's quite a
> >> few of them already.
> >> Oh, another option, but with the same prefered parameters: finding
> >> someone fairly local that has this already converted that would give
> >> it to me, lol. Well, I could buy it too I guess. Or if I can find
> >> someone that likes tinkerin with this stuff, have them make it for
> >> me.... I'd rather be playing rock n roll
and last but not
> >> least, I'll need a new bumper sticker: my other vehicle is an
> >> electric guitar
> >> Thanks again for the help and guidance, and "may the 4th be with you"
> >> S-10cerely, Stand
> >> __________________________________________________ ______________________
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:16 AM, SLPinfo.org <email@example.com>
> >> > Bruce offers good advice. Think about what you really need.
> >> vs
> >> > no passengers? Cargo bed flexibility vs covered carrying capacity?
> >> > Regular roads vs. off-road?
> >> >
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