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Old 07-10-2012, 07:05 AM
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http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+ful+CHAP0177+pdf

Hi Folk's,

Ken Overlay just sent me this HB780 bill passed in Virginia in March to go in effect Oct 2012 which looks geared to forcing you to buy a factory EV.

For titling (see italics on EV's page 6,7) The Virginia commissioner (in Richmond?) must approve the conversion for a special title of a reconstructed vehicle.

All HV cables shall be orange and in metal conduits.

Batteries must be in non-conductive enclosures.

External cut off switch must be placed in where the gas cap was.

The batteries must have thermal monitoring in place if not lead.

A vacuum system & pump is required for brakes.

Labelling is required on 3 sides of the vehicle "CONVERTED ELECTRIC" 6" long, 3" tall lettering

Synthetic vehicle sounds need to eminate from the vehicle per federal regulations.

Converting a vehicle invalidates previous annual vehicle inspections.

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Probably discussing this draws more attention to it, when I asked local inspection stations and a DMV cop they new nothing about this obscure new law. I always just register my vehicle as the car it was when I bought it, get liability only insurance and have done so since the 70's on all my EV's in several states, see www.evalbum.com/4346 . There are so few converted EV's around, unless you draw attention to it, this will probably go un-noticed.

Have a converted day,
Mark
www.REEVA.info
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:05 PM
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Mark,

thanks for sharing this disturbing item

I hope this isn't a trend we'll see appear in other states or on a
national level. But being a realist, and noting the current
disability of govt in general to do anything really useful for their
consituents, it's hardly surprising that after dragging their feet as
long as corporately possible the big auto corporations are going to
try and cut out any small guy innovations that will force them by
comparison to deliver a really quality useful safe and affordable
product. In short, imho, it's downright criminal....
Though admittedly depressing news, it's still a good idea to keep a
close eye on these rascals =/

_________________________________

[quote] Mark Hanson <marke.xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+ful+CHAP0177+pdf
>
> Hi Folk's,
>
> Ken Overlay just sent me this HB780 bill passed in Virginia in March to go in effect Oct 2012 which looks geared to forcing you to buy a factory EV.
>
> For titling (see italics on EV's page 6,7) The Virginia commissioner (in Richmond?) must approve the conversion for a special title of a reconstructed vehicle.
>
> All HV cables shall be orange and in metal conduits.
>
> Batteries must be in non-conductive enclosures.
>
> External cut off switch must be placed in where the gas cap was.
>
> The batteries must have thermal monitoring in place if not lead.
>
> A vacuum system & pump is required for brakes.
>
> Labelling is required on 3 sides of the vehicle "CONVERTED ELECTRIC" 6" long, 3" tall lettering
>
> Synthetic vehicle sounds need to eminate from the vehicle per federal regulations.
>
> Converting a vehicle invalidates previous annual vehicle inspections.
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> Probably discussing this draws more attention to it, when I asked local inspection stations and a DMV cop they new nothing about this obscure new law. I always just register my vehicle as the car it was when I bought it, get liability only insurance and have done so since the 70's on all my EV's in several states, see www.evalbum.com/4346 . There are so few converted EV's around, unless you draw attention to it, this will probably go un-noticed.
>
> Have a converted day,
> Mark
> www.REEVA.info
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:28 AM
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Actually, except for a couple items such as the sound, I think most of the
requirements are actually good ideas and not bad guidelines. Having HV,
high current wires orange is a good way to tell emergency responders what
they're dealing with. Metal conduit will add to cost, hassle, and weight,
but it will protect the cables. Personally, I went with somewhat flexible
plastic conduit because of the ease of use (and the shock protection of
non-metallic conduit if something is damaged, but I can certainly see the
point of conduit. Some sort of shutoff is a good way for emergency
reponders to cut power to the pack.

Now, I'm assuming the inspectors are being reasonable and careful in their
interpretation and application of these rules. If they're just using them
as a club, that could be bad. However, I don't think these are necessarily
bad rules.

Of course, I do have the advantage of living in Idaho which is pretty much
the "Wild West." No vehicle inspections except emissions checks and we only
have them because the EPA threatened worse actions because of our air
quality (frequent winter inversions).

The DMV doesn't care whether a car has been converted until you try to get
an emissions test exemption.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxx@xxx.xxx.edu [mailto:xxx@xxx.xxx.edu] On
> Behalf Of Stand Culp
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:01 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] The End of EV Conversions?
>
> Mark,
>
> thanks for sharing this disturbing item
>
> I hope this isn't a trend we'll see appear in other states or on a
national level.
> But being a realist, and noting the current disability of govt in general
to do
> anything really useful for their consituents, it's hardly surprising that
after
> dragging their feet as long as corporately possible the big auto
corporations
> are going to try and cut out any small guy innovations that will force
them by
> comparison to deliver a really quality useful safe and affordable
> product. In short, imho, it's downright criminal....
> Though admittedly depressing news, it's still a good idea to keep a
> close eye on these rascals =/
>
> _________________________________
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Mark Hanson
[quote]> <marke.xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+ful+CHAP0177+pdf
> >
> > Hi Folk's,
> >
> > Ken Overlay just sent me this HB780 bill passed in Virginia in March to
go in
> effect Oct 2012 which looks geared to forcing you to buy a factory EV.
> >
> > For titling (see italics on EV's page 6,7) The Virginia commissioner (in
> Richmond?) must approve the conversion for a special title of a
> reconstructed vehicle.
> >
> > All HV cables shall be orange and in metal conduits.
> >
> > Batteries must be in non-conductive enclosures.
> >
> > External cut off switch must be placed in where the gas cap was.
> >
> > The batteries must have thermal monitoring in place if not lead.
> >
> > A vacuum system & pump is required for brakes.
> >
> > Labelling is required on 3 sides of the vehicle "CONVERTED ELECTRIC"
> > 6" long, 3" tall lettering
> >
> > Synthetic vehicle sounds need to eminate from the vehicle per federal
> regulations.
> >
> > Converting a vehicle invalidates previous annual vehicle inspections.
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> > Probably discussing this draws more attention to it, when I asked local
> inspection stations and a DMV cop they new nothing about this obscure new
> law. I always just register my vehicle as the car it was when I bought
it, get
> liability only insurance and have done so since the 70's on all my EV's in
> several states, see www.evalbum.com/4346 . There are so few converted
> EV's around, unless you draw attention to it, this will probably go
un-noticed.
> >
> > Have a converted day,
> > Mark
> > www.REEVA.info
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:47 AM
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This is the new standard for NZ.
http://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/standards/LVVTA_STD_Electric_and_Hybrid_Ve
hicles.pdf



-----Original Message-----
From: xxx@xxx.xxx.edu [mailto:xxx@xxx.xxx.edu] On Behalf
Of Stand Culp
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 8:01 a.m.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] The End of EV Conversions?

Mark,

thanks for sharing this disturbing item

I hope this isn't a trend we'll see appear in other states or on a
national level. But being a realist, and noting the current
disability of govt in general to do anything really useful for their
consituents, it's hardly surprising that after dragging their feet as
long as corporately possible the big auto corporations are going to
try and cut out any small guy innovations that will force them by
comparison to deliver a really quality useful safe and affordable
product. In short, imho, it's downright criminal....
Though admittedly depressing news, it's still a good idea to keep a
close eye on these rascals =/

_________________________________

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Mark Hanson <marke.xxx@xxx.xxx>
[quote]wrote:
>
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+ful+CHAP0177+pdf
>
> Hi Folk's,
>
> Ken Overlay just sent me this HB780 bill passed in Virginia in March to go
in effect Oct 2012 which looks geared to forcing you to buy a factory EV.
>
> For titling (see italics on EV's page 6,7) The Virginia commissioner (in
Richmond?) must approve the conversion for a special title of a
reconstructed vehicle.
>
> All HV cables shall be orange and in metal conduits.
>
> Batteries must be in non-conductive enclosures.
>
> External cut off switch must be placed in where the gas cap was.
>
> The batteries must have thermal monitoring in place if not lead.
>
> A vacuum system & pump is required for brakes.
>
> Labelling is required on 3 sides of the vehicle "CONVERTED ELECTRIC" 6"
long, 3" tall lettering
>
> Synthetic vehicle sounds need to eminate from the vehicle per federal
regulations.
>
> Converting a vehicle invalidates previous annual vehicle inspections.
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> Probably discussing this draws more attention to it, when I asked local
inspection stations and a DMV cop they new nothing about this obscure new
law. I always just register my vehicle as the car it was when I bought it,
get liability only insurance and have done so since the 70's on all my EV's
in several states, see www.evalbum.com/4346 . There are so few converted
EV's around, unless you draw attention to it, this will probably go
un-noticed.
>
> Have a converted day,
> Mark
> www.REEVA.info
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