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Old 10-17-2011, 12:59 PM
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Default Tr-Amp: 1990 Geo Tracker Conversion

PeterH's Geo Tracker build threat has inspired me to final start one of my own.

First off it's worth noting that, when it comes to completing (or nearly completing) this conversion, I've found this group to be an invaluable resource. Without the assistance of the folks here there's no way I would have been able to get as far as I have.

I guess it's about time I stopped "lurking" around the forum and started contributing some of the things I've learned so far

Any comments or suggested improvements are truelly welcome.


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Old 10-17-2011, 01:06 PM
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So here she is, the 1990 Geo Tracker. I think this vehicle is an excellent candidate for conversion, it's light weight, easy to find parts for, lots of room for batteries and a strong suspension to carry alot of batteries.

This particular car was left at my home by a member of my family. He'd towed it up to the Yukon behind his RV during a family visit and the engine died. He was planning to leave it at an auto-reckers when I naively said "hey I could turn that into an electric car!"

Getting a donnor vehicle for free is awesome but I would a honostly suggest that anyone who is seriously considering doing a conversion give some strong consideration to their choice in vehicle beyond it's price tag. It's ALOT of work to convert one of these cars and you want to make sure that you're happy with the choice you make.
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:13 PM
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Here's the obligatory empty engine compartment shot.

The tracker is a great candidate for conversion except for one thing...the 4 wheel drive (4wd).

Most of these cars came with 4wd and the 4wd components are: very heavy, prone to break, and (in my opinion) unnecessary.

After getting the transmission out of the car (picture attached) I took one look at the size of it and decided that I was going to ditch the 4wd, replace the transmission and drop as much of the 4wd weight as I could.

I estimate I was able to drop a good 100-200 lbs by replacing the transmission and ditching the front drive components.
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:28 PM
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I decided to go with a clutchless setup. I'm still not 100% sure that that was the right choice, there are excellent arguments for and against. In the end it just seemed like the simpliest approach for my first conversion.

I found an excellent supplier in EVCoupler to supply me with the coupler and adapter plate. They had me send them down the original clutch as well as a template of the transmission bellhousing and measurements which they then used to produce the coupler and plate.

Unfortunately the coupler arrived a bit worse for ware (it's a long way fron Kentucky to the Yukon) and the adapter plate dimensions were off by a bit (probably my measurements).

EVCoupler made it right at no cost to me though. They're a great company and I'd recommend working with them to anyone.
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:43 PM
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The Warp 9 motor that I purchased from Michael Golub (University of Alaska Fairbanks EV conversion guru) just barely fit infront of the steering linkage withe new transmission mounted in the original location.

Rather then shoe-horn it in we decided to raise the motor and transmission up above the steering linkage and move the whol setup forward a few inches. This results in the actual shifter being a bit more foward in the cab then I'd like but I think it'll be okay and I can always rig up a new shifter later if it really bothers me.

We mounted the motor at the front with a solid plate of steel that was then mounted to the frame. We also fabricated a simple mounting plateform off of the engine mounting that will hold the controller, etc.

It's probably a bit more rubust then is necessary but I think it looks pretty good.

Because the "new" transmission doesn't have that monster transfer case anymore we had to improvise a new mount for the transmission. It turned out a small peice of square tubing worked pretty well.
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:10 PM
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After a fair amount of messing around I managed to get the electric vacuum pump kit to work properly.These kits (like alot of EV components) have pretty poor documentation and the set-up was a bit confusing.

In hindsight it seems fairly simple but I've seen a few posts on this topic with folks that had similiar problems to myself so just incase there are any "vacuum directionally challenged" people like myself out there the key to success is to ensure that the vacuum sensor is between brake booster and the one way valve.

If you have a brake reservoir (like I do) you may have a one way valve in the reservoir already in which case you can throw away the one that comes in the kit (putting it in will only cause you more problems).

Intuitively I couldn't see why it would matter where the vacuum sensor went until I realized the the vacumm pump didn't actually hold vacuum...I get caught up on the strangest things sometimes.
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: Tr-Amp: 1990 Geo Tracker Conversion

For a controller I decided to go with the Evnetics Soliton Jr. For my budget and the performance I wanted to get from this vehicle I think that the Soliton Jr. is an excellent choice.

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At the time it was a tough decision for me between the Jr. and the Synkromotive controller. I still think that the Synkromotive looks like an excellent controller but I think that the Soliton was the right choice for me. I like the continous power rating, high voltage and water cooling options of the soliton product.

It's great that there is starting to be a bit of competition in this space. It's funny to think that when I first started contemplating an EV build the only real controller options were Curtis and Logysistems.

For the controller I've installed a basic computer cooling system that looks like it'll work well. I've also installed a netgain speed sensor so that the Soliton can feed me my motor RPM data.

Controller Cooling 1.jpgSpeed Sensor.jpg

At this point I'm a bit stalled out until I recieve my batteries. I've ordered 50 Thundersky 100AH cells from CanEV that should arrive within a few weeks.

If I'm lucky I'll finish this build just in time to go for a test drive on a brisk Yukon winter day
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:52 PM
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Hi Shane!

Glad to see your build thread here. I could use some encouragement today! :-)

The details of your build have rasied a few questions:

1. Where are you going to place all those 50 batteries? I went with slightly larger 160 Ah batteries and only 45 of them and fitting them all in is going to be a challenge.

I see in your photos that you have a nice big area over the motor. I thought that is where you were going to put some batteries till I saw the Soliton Jr. I'm waiting to decide where to put my cells until the motor is in place. So far, I've looked at putting 12 where the gas tank was, and another 20 beneath the driver's and passenger seat, by cutting thru the floor and putting 7 outside the frame and 3 inside the frame, both boxes starting at the point where the flat part of the floor starts behind the seats. I'm afriad I may have to give up the back seat and put some more batteries there.

2. How much did you have to raise the motor to clear the sterring linkage? I think you are right about being able to raise it a bit without causing problems. At least I sure hope so because I'll likely have to do the same.

Thought I was going to find out if my Kostov would fit tonight but the adapter that came today from Can EV isn't the right one. :-( The adapter fit the Kostov just fine, but it isn't even close to fitting the transmission even tho I bought their "Geo" adapter which is listed as fitting our donor vehicle.

3. Are you planning to heat your batteries?

4. Are you planning to heat the cabin? I'm betting you are... so I'm hoping you'll share your decisions for heat. I'll need to heat mine for sure.

5. What type of charger are you going to use? I haven't picked one yet... cause I think that the moment I do, someone will start selling a better and cheaper one!

Now aren't you glad you posted your build thread... I sure am! :-)

Thanks,
Pete

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Old 10-18-2011, 10:09 AM
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Hey Pete,

It's nice to have another tracker build in the group!

I'm planning on putting all of my batteries behind the front seats. The 50, 100 AH cells should fit nicely in a box not much bigger then the trunk/back seat area. I'll be sacrificing the back seat but I don't see any way around that. The real quest for me is do I try and recess some of the batteries into the area where the fuel tank was? This blog shows a Lead-Acid conversion which did just that with some success. http://got-ev.blogspot.com/ You can see that he managed to get the back row of Lead Acids almost level with the floor but the second row had to be elevated to avoid hitting the rear differential. I could follow this example and probably get 20-25 cells recessed below the floor but then what do you do with the rest of them? I'm not sure it's worth the work but I might try it anyway just for fun. I'm going to wait for my cells to arrive before I decide. Let us know what arrangment you come up with and how it works for you.

The choice of battery capacity was a tough one for me. The 160 AH batteries will give you much better range and higher current but they are a bit harder to fit into small spaces and with my budget I would have had to go with a much lower voltage. In some ways it also kind of depends on what controller you're going to use. Once I decided on the Soliton Jr. I knew that I could go up to 340V with my battery pack so if I used a smaller capacity battery cell (like the 100AH) and found it wasn't enough I could always just add more cells later and increase the pack voltage/energy. If, on the other hand, you're controller is only good to 150V then you're better off choosing a higher capacity cell and lower voltage to start off with because you won't be able to easily increase your pack size later. Just one of the many choices I've made that I'm not 100% sure of...

I think I ended up raising the motor around 2 inches to clear the steering components. Like I said, it wasn't difficult to do but did leave me with the shifter in a bit of an awkward spot. I'm convinced I'll be able to fabricate my own shifter later that will work well but that may be more work then I realize.

I honestly think that the adapter plate and coupler is the most troublesome part of these conversions. The company that built my adapter plate insists on you supplying a drawn template because they've had so many problems with the same model of car having different bell housings. Even with the template the adapter plate depth was way off and the adapter plate had to be changed to fit my application. I think if I did this again I might consider working with a local machine shop to build the adapter plate. Atleast that way they can see what is required rather then relying on pictures and emails.

I'm not planning to heat my batteries directly, atleast not initially. I think that there is alot of merrit in heating the bateries; however, I'm thinking that if I ensuring that the cab is warm enough for me to drive the vehicle that might be good enough to keep the batteries warm enough to perform well. I also noted some data collected by Tesseract that showed that the internal resistance of these cells was very high when they are cold which say that they will kind of act as there own heaters as soon as you start running amps through them. That being said I'm speaking from a place of significant ignorance on this topic and expect to observe the performance of the cells very closely and adapt my approach accordingly.

I am definately planning to heat the cab, unfortunately I haven't made any decisions on that yet. I was hoping to have the conversion completed early this spring and have the the summer and fall to figure that out but of course my timelines have slipped. I'm leaning towards installing a ceramic heater into the block heater (fairly common approach); however, I'm not completely sold on that idea. It would certainly be alot easier to just tie in a water heater into the existing block heater and I think that propane heaters have some merit as well.

I'm also wondering if anyone has ever tried to use the waste heat from the motor to heat the cab. I know that Dimitri tied his controller cooler into his block heater to add some heat but the efficiency of the controller was such that there was very little heat to be had. The motor on the other hand is probably only 80-90% efficient and produces a bit of heat which a person might be able to tie into their air intake and use for some mild defrosting. Just an idea I'm toying with, I'll be sure to post what my final decision is and how it works.

Charger decision is another tough one. There are, what appear to be, some very good chargers available but they're really expensive. If you have the money I think you can't go wrong with the Manzinita. I, unfortunatley, do not have that kind of budget for this project and decided to go with the Elcon 2000+ charger. By all accounts Elcon appears to be a pretty good quality brand of charger that comes at a very reasonable price tag. The challenge with this (and other less expensive chargers) is to make sure that you know exactly what you're charger settings are before you order it because they have to be set at the factory. The Elcon has some user variability (10 pre-set voltages) but it really is key that you know what you want when you order it. EVTV did a nice little segment on these chargers last week (october 7th episode I believe) that you can check-out on Utube if you're interested. That show bores the pants off me but if you can stay awake there is often some good information convied.

Sorry for the long response, I hope it's helpful. I look forward to watching your progress.

Shane
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:25 AM
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Hi Shane,

Thanks for the great response to my questions! :-)

Adapter... yeah... I'm about to box up and ship back the adapter I ordered from CanEV. It doesn't fit my transmission at all. Randy at CanEV understood the issue and suggest a refund. I'm thinking that I have an odd transmission because this is a factory 2WD instead of a 4WD. I'm going to look around for a local shop to work with. I agree, the adapter is a major pain.

Battery placement, I'm leaning towards giving up that back seat area also. At least till everything else is all working well and it is time to start revisions or improvements.

Charger... I will probably go with the Elcon also... haven't really investigated the subjuct but I like the idea of being able to adjust the charge parameters without having to go back to the factory... so maybe I'll save up for the Manzinita (sp?).

Heating. I like the idea of a small tank of water to provide heat for the cabin and the batteries if that proves necessary. Another local EV junkie has done something like that in his rig. I'll certainly share any information or plans I come up with when I get to that point.

I'm holding off on doing anything more on this project till I get this adapter situation resolved. Of course, that is top priority at the moment.

Thanks,
Peter
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