[TexomaEV]

Before purchasing from LionEV, be sure and read all the responses in this thread. Do cover yourself, fully with recourse ability to recover your money if you don't receive product, or satisfaction. This not only applies to LionEV, but really to ANY purchase over the internet or otherwise.

I wouldn't pay anything out, without reversal capability, if the product isn't being handed to me as the payment is going into the cash register, period.

[KiwiEV]

Do you have something to do with LionEV? I noticed you're not only using some supplemental LionEV batteries in your car but isn't that your email address on that above linked page?
Ohhhh, Could you be our go-to man for discounted lithium batts? Our Lithium angel?

[TexomaEV]

Originally Posted by KiwiEV

Do you have something to do with LionEV? I noticed you're not only using some supplemental LionEV batteries in your car but isn't that your email address on that above linked page?
Ohhhh, Could you be our go-to man for discounted lithium batts? Our Lithium angel?

I wish I worked for LionEV, unfortunately they don't have a conversion operation in Oklahoma/Texas (Yet?)

The Texas Rep, for LionEV, is a member of our North Texas Electric Auto Association (www.nteaa.org). I've been lucky enough to obtain some LiFePO4 cells to exeriment with. The guys a LionEV are great to work with, they've certainly been a huge help with my EV restrictions in Oklahoma.

I'm not sure how LionEV, is going to offer parts in the very near future, other than preconverted vehicles, replacement packs for commercially built hybrids to PHEV's, and DIY Kits for certain vehicles.

They liked the way I built the LiFePO4 modules that I'm using in my EV, so they put a link to it on their website, so others can take the idea, improve on it, and build safe/durable Lithium batteries.

I'll certainly keep everyone posted, if they start letting people order LiFePO4's for DIY battery pack building.

[Thalass]

It's odd because I'm certain that untill recently their website detailed prices on custom packs for sale. "Silver", "gold", and "platinum" packs, and a flexible cell sold individually (I think).


Now it just seems to be pre-made packs for existing vehicles! This is a pity, because I was thinking of buying some of the silver packs off of them.

[TexomaEV]

I wouldn't fret, I think they are going to setup a shopping cart, or online store, and I'd suspect all those things will be listed and more there.

The webmaster and I, pass emails amongst each other pretty often, he has other hats that he wears also, within the company. The website additions/updates take a little while to get done.

Hopefully soon, he'll have the online store up and running, and we'll all be able to purchase, from individual cells to entire bundled packs and chargers, at competitive pricing.

I certainly like working with the 20Ah FlexPack cells, they are much easier to work with than a boatload of AA batteries.... lol

You can see some of the FlexPacks in operation in my vehicle at:

www.flickr.com/mbarkley (click on the battery experiment photo set)

[KiwiEV]

Originally Posted by TexomaEV

I wouldn't fret, I think they are going to setup a shopping cart, or online store, and I'd suspect all those things will be listed and more there.

The webmaster and I, pass emails amongst each other pretty often, he has other hats that he wears also, within the company. The website additions/updates take a little while to get done.

Hopefully soon, he'll have the online store up and running, and we'll all be able to purchase, from individual cells to entire bundled packs and chargers, at competitive pricing.

I certainly like working with the 20Ah FlexPack cells, they are much easier to work with than a boatload of AA batteries.... lol

You can see some of the FlexPacks in operation in my vehicle at:

www.flickr.com/mbarkley (click on the battery experiment photo set)

Texoma, if each of those flexipacks next to the lead acid batteries are 20Ah, how big approximately would a 100Ah version be? Just approximate would be fine. I'm seriously considering using more advanced battery technology for the next conversion and LionEV would be perfect.

[Thalass]

Originally Posted by TexomaEV

I wouldn't fret, I think they are going to setup a shopping cart, or online store, and I'd suspect all those things will be listed and more there.

The webmaster and I, pass emails amongst each other pretty often, he has other hats that he wears also, within the company. The website additions/updates take a little while to get done.

Hopefully soon, he'll have the online store up and running, and we'll all be able to purchase, from individual cells to entire bundled packs and chargers, at competitive pricing.

I certainly like working with the 20Ah FlexPack cells, they are much easier to work with than a boatload of AA batteries.... lol

You can see some of the FlexPacks in operation in my vehicle at:

www.flickr.com/mbarkley (click on the battery experiment photo set)

Ah good! It'll be a while before I can start my conversion, so I can afford to be patient


I especially like that the silver pack claimed to be able to go down to 100% DoD! Even if it's not quite that good, I am loathe to lug around batteries that I can only safely discharge to 50% or so!

[TexomaEV]

Originally Posted by diamondgoldsilver

It's odd because I'm certain that untill recently their website detailed prices on custom packs for sale.

I believe the custom packs you referenced to, were for commercially built Hybrids and EV's.

The battery cells they are offering DIY EV'rs, are the 100Ah and 200Ah modules that enable you to build up your own voltage specific pack.

You could probably still have them custom build you one, but it would probably be cheaper for you to do it yourself.

[Manntis]

Caveat Emptor

Ken Curry, owner/operator of LIonEV, has a prior fraud conviction for selling gold coins on eBay that he didn't actually possess nor ship to buyers. His sentence was vacated on appeal, meaning the conviction stands but the original sentence removed and a lesser sentence handed down.

From United States v. Curry, 461 F.3d 452 (August, 2006):

"In the summer and fall of 2004, Curry was on the verge of financial ruin. His security system installation company was over ninety days
past due on a $138,000 debt, and he owed the IRS $98,000. The government contends that Curry turned to his "hobby" of dealing in coins
to get out of his financial straits. At the end of summer 2004, Curry placed up for auction on eBay large volumes of one-ounce gold coins, known as "Gold Eagles."1 Between August and October 2004, Curry sold 381 Gold Eagles to twenty-one different buyers. According to the government, Curry made a series of false representations in his advertisements of the coins. For example, he represented that (1) the coins were located in Virginia Beach, J.A. 786; (2) the coins were "part of a larger estate auction that [would] take about three months to complete," id. at 777; (3) the coins were of exceptional quality and likely only to have been seen by the mint or the original buyer, id.; and (4) he would provide a full refund to all unhappy buyers, id. at 787. The twenty-one buyers paid Curry approximately $148,000 for the 381 coins. Of the 381 coins purchased, Curry delivered only 44 of the coins, which represented only partial deliveries to two purchasers."

He was tried and convicted for mail fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1341 and wire fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1343 on May 31, 2005.

The Appeal decision: http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/055090.P.pdf

I didn't know any of this about Ken when, this year, I sent him $36,000 for two Ford Ranger conversion kits. More than 4 months later and after extensive phone and email battles I've received some of the parts from his electrics supplier, CloudEV. $24,000+ in parts are still unaccounted for.

I've spoken with many of Ken's other victims, as well as the Richmond, Virginia detective examining Ken's latest frauds, the FBI, the ICCC, my local police, and Bob Krask, the Assistant US District Attorney that prosecuted Ken's original trial.

Ken served 12 months of the original sentence before being released pending his 2d appeal. That appeal is now complete and the appellate court returned jurisdiction of the case back to the district court. Bob Krask filed a motion requesting that the district court enter an order directing Mr. Curry to report to the U.S. Marshal to serve the remaining jail sentence.

While Ken's website continues to be updated, I was informed through my sources that as of a few days ago Ken was taken back into custody and is serving the outstanding 24 months of his sentence.

Remember, this is for the 2004 fraud; Ken has yet to be punished for defrauding me of tens of thousands of dollars through LIonEV, along with defrauding Ram M of Texas, Chris D of California (about $40,000 each), William M (who is also on this forum), and several others.

[Wirecutter]

Originally Posted by Manntis

Caveat Emptor

Ken Curry, owner/operator of LIonEV, has a prior fraud conviction for selling gold coins on eBay that he didn't actually possess nor ship to buyers. His sentence was vacated on appeal, meaning the conviction stands but the original sentence removed and a lesser sentence handed down.

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The Appeal decision: http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/055090.P.pdf

Sorry for the hijack, and I'm not an attorney, buuuuut....

From reading the decision posted just above, it sounded to me like the appeals court dealt with 2 appeals at once. First, that the government was irate that the sentence was so light, and second, that Curry had challenged the motion for judgement of acquittal. (i.e. continued to protest his innocence.)

By my reading, the appeals court basically told Curry to pound sand, then vacated the sentence and remanded the case for resentencing. It sounded to me like the appeals court sided with the government, and the resentencing should be more severe. Did he actually receive a lighter sentence by the lower court after this decision was handed down? If so, that sounds like a p*ssing match between judges. IMHO.

I don't normally read through an entire court decision, but I almost did business with Cloud, and was warned off. Can someone tell me the connection between Curry and Cloud Electric? Thanks.

-Mark