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Old 04-20-2012, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Planning Honda Civic Wagovan Hybrid Electric/Pedal Conversion

Also, you mentioned quite a bit of glass in your car... Get replacements in Lexan or similar type of plastic, a lot lighter, yet strong.
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:24 PM
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Well, I looked at two interesting objects today: a 3 wheel cushman electric gold cart and a Raymond forklift. The gold cart was in great condition but was $800 which is much more than I'd like to spend. The forklift turned out to be nearly 13' tall which drove the towingcost up to $525 or more. The forklift is 36v and has 3 motors. I offered to strip the forkliftof it's electrical components as well as for a charger for $200. Probably could have gotten it for less. But that price felt fair.

I'm still not convinced that an electric car is the way to go but it's the best option I canthink of so far. Problem is making my cross-town commute as short as is legal, so that rules out bicycling very often.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: Planning Honda Civic Wagovan Hybrid Electric/Pedal Conversion

I wouldn't replace the glass for a number of reasons:

1. The glass is curved. The replacements won't be. That's a problem. Unless you want to make wooden bucks and have an oven big enough to mold your replacements over them, they'll never fit right. The windows won't roll up and down properly.

2. The windshield isn't worth doing, especially without a molded exact replacement available. Also, it won't be DOT compliant for road use.

3. Polycarbonate is not that much lighter in the same thickness. If you go thinner on the plastic, you have to re-engineer the seals and mounting system (like adding rivets) to be water and air tight.

4. Polycarbonate scratches easily. Percy's Speedglas is much better, but expensive and harder to work with. Side windows of lexan that roll up and down will look terrible in no time at all.

5. Most Polycarbonate isn't UV stable, and even the "UV Stabilized" stuff will ultimately yellow, fog, craze and embrittle in the sun, just like the headlight covers on most cars.

On balance, replacing the side windows with lightweight plastic is one of those great ideas that turns out to be a ton of work, very difficult to make air and water tight, and ends up being FAR less durable and functional that OEM glass- even if it doesn't leak or whistle. If you had a kit car, or an old car with flat glass mounted in steel frames, then it would be worth looking into, but on a modern car for which curved Speedglas replacements are not available, its just not worth doing.
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:49 AM
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Thanks TomA for tge advice on the glass replacement. I'm quite a ways from even considering it since I'm just getting some motors and other electronics from a forklift this weekend. In the past when thinking about weather proofing a bike/pedicab I had thought of using parts of a tent including the clear-ish plastic windows. But never got to the trial stage on that one.

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Old 07-12-2012, 07:49 AM
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Default Re: Planning Honda Civic Wagovan Hybrid Electric/Pedal Conversion

If you are still interested in pedal power, I have 2 pedal > electricity devices I made out of exercise devices. Like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Sunny-Health-F...edal+exerciser

The motors are DC output, and you can light a 100w house light bulb by hand by pedaling it; ie - motors==generators. They are 0-300vdc depending on speed.

You have to take them apart and strip out the electrics.

Here's what I ended up doing with them:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=...type=2&theater
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:03 AM
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If you were to do pedal power, here's things you need to know:

You will need fans to cool the pedalers, so you're not going to be left with a lot of output. Without good airflow, you get hot in a hurry. People generate about a half HP for extended periods. Not enough power for a car. Add solar panels and you will get a boost, but you'll still have to keep the weight WAY down.

In many large cities, they rent 4 person pedal cars. These are like 4 wheel bicycles. San Diego is one city I know of. Give one a try and you'll see how ineffective pedal power really is for actual driving in a lightweight 4 wheel vehicle. 4 individual bicycles work better.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:48 PM
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Ok, a little update: I got two motors out of the forklift. Took quite a bit of maneuvering to reach all of the bolts involved. At one point I had to open an access door which happened to cause a hydraulic line to crack and leak quite a bit. Luckily the seller was nice about it and used oil-dri to soak it up. Tomorrow morning I will get the third motor, the controller and whatever other electronics I can scavenge. I was worried that the largest motor would be nearly 250 lbs but it was quite manageable.

I'm a little confused about the motors though because the motors don't have a drive shaft that sticks out but rather an 'inny' that a gear fits into. It seems that there is a hydraulic component that fits into the motor. I'm not sure if I need to grab those bits or not. I'll likely grab 'em if I can manage.

I also got a big 3-phase charger that I won't likely need due to likely using golf cart batteries. Talked to my friend at the forklift repair place and he'll give me something for it so I can just drop it off there instead of trying to find a place for it at home.

I'll try and post some pictures soon.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:07 AM
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Here are some pictures of my loot from the forklift. I've put a craigslist add up for someone to come get the ICE engine and exhaust systems. I was sort of thinking of keeping the a/c system just in case I can use it. Thoughts on that would certainly be welcome.

http://lawrence.craigslist.org/pts/3153479870.html


http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisism...on/7615243672/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisism...on/7615243828/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisism...on/7615243392/
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