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Does anyone have a source and p/n for a contactor to control the 240
VAC, 50A input of a PFC50 using a 12VDC coil? So far I found a
*LC1D50A6JD*
<http://products.schneider-electric.us/products-services/product-detail/?event=productDetail&countryCode=us&partNumber=LC1 D50A6JD>
for $291 on the Square D website. Local places don't have anything and
EV parts places don't either, and I checked Mouser and Grainger. Seems
to be a tough part to find.

Gary Krysztopik
ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
San Antonio, TX

I also have a AC magnetic size 2 3-pole contactor that is between the AC
input connector and the battery charger,
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Hi Gary,

What are you trying to do with that contactor? Have a way of turning off the charger?

An alternative way is to tell the PFC charger to not allow charging.

The manual says:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:QE3keQKODwYJ:www.manzanitamicro .com/component/filecabinet/?task%3Ddownload%26cid%255B0%255D%3D6+pfc+30+manua l&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgp81XjX1LrxeESAw4 ptSN_8YEIaHGnLro5UnzqX3HMM6a5prloU4lzRF3KyopokxCJ3 lsuAQeRJo4e39kLyBqn7HSKj3xHf_JRKRmMOcFcZ-fUiG5voo0M8EcSxjfB_r0drp7d&sig=AHIEtbTgrEjhhloQViC XXe3mm5XFc7U8DA&pli=1

>From the RegBus interface, can connect pin 1 (5v output) to pin 2 ("reg on") which tells the charger to stop charging. This is how I have the elithion BMS setup to turn the charger off when batteries are charged.

I'm going to add on to this soon. I'm going to implement a J1772 input (I already have an adapter box) and make it so one of the AVC1 boards (from http://modularevpower.com) also can turn off the charger. This will allow a "soft stop" when unplugging a J1772 adapter while the charger is pulling current. This works by the J1772 plug enabling the Proximity signal when the button is pressed. The AVC1 adapter then will turn on a relay that I can hook up to the 5v input to the charger, telling the charger to turn off. Also see: http://modularevpower.com/Active_Vehicle_Side_Control_development.htm -- I could probably implement the circuit myself...but I'm not that hardware savvy to do it. Eventually, I'm going to also use this technique with an ardinuo to allow me to turn on/off the charger (at the car) via a timer (or some other input, like remote control via the internet).

corbin

[quote] Gary Krysztopik <xxx@xxx.xxx.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a source and p/n for a contactor to control the 240
> VAC, 50A input of a PFC50 using a 12VDC coil? So far I found a
> *LC1D50A6JD*
> <http://products.schneider-electric.us/products-services/product-detail/?event=productDetail&countryCode=us&partNumber=LC1 D50A6JD>
> for $291 on the Square D website. Local places don't have anything and
> EV parts places don't either, and I checked Mouser and Grainger. Seems
> to be a tough part to find.
>
> Gary Krysztopik
> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> San Antonio, TX
>
> I also have a AC magnetic size 2 3-pole contactor that is between the AC
> input connector and the battery charger,
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[quote]Bill Dube wrote:

> Here is a grainger part that will work to turn on and off the AC
> input of your charger:
> http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/MAGNECRAFT-Solid-State-Relay-
> 6CVC2?Pid=search

Should you prefer an electromechanical relay, here are a few possibilities

<http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/ADQM16012/255-2596-ND/2125664> 60A 250VAC, 12V coil, $54

<http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/LEV100A4ANG/A101163-ND/2046688> 100A 900VDC, 12V coil, $103

Cheers,

Roger.


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You do not need a 12 vdc coil for the AC input contactor and even for a DC
contactor between the charger and battery pack. Voltages other than the
incoming line voltages are special order.

The AC magnetic contactors normally come as line voltage, meaning if the AC
line voltage coming in is 240 volts, then the coil is a 240 vac coil. You
can either use a Square D, General Electric, Westinghouse, Cutler Hammer or
equal to do the job.

The AC lines come right off the Feed lugs on the contactor and go directly
to the coil through a fuse. So when you plug in the main AC connector, the
contactor will come on.

To control this 240 vac coil remotely, one of the wires that feed the coil
has a switch inserted in series with it that is rated for 240 vac at a
ampere between 5 to 10 amps.

These type of AC magnetic contactors has a option fuse holder which a 2 to 4
amp which is 240 vac rated to protect the coil circuits. You can also use a
240 VAC rated relay with 10 amp rated contacts and a 12 VDC rated coils.

These type of contactors have a electrical interlock option where when one
contactor drops off, then it shuts down the next contactor or have one
contactor turn on while the other one turns off as what is use in transfer
switches.

These contactors are re-buildable, you can replace contacts or increase the
ampere rating of the contacts. Can change the coils to any voltage you want.
Do not have to threw it away if it burns up. Bought all my AC and DC
contactors and relays back in 1980, and they are still going today.

I do not like to have contactors with a 12 volt dc coils. The ampere is
higher in a 12 volt which may be up to 5 amps for the main contactors. The
coils that use the line voltage, the ampere may be only 0.5 amp.

The reason many companies only sell 12 volt coil DC contactors, instead of
line voltage as Cable Form does, is that there contactor is not design to
hold the contacts close when the battery voltage gets to the low limit
program in the controller.

My Cable Form contactors will work on a battery voltage of 250 vdc on my 180
vdc battery pack. These contactors will not drop out until the voltage gets
way down to 11.5 vdc. If the voltage ever gets down that low and the
voltage starts to raise again, the contactor will not come on until the
voltage reaches 160 vdc for a 180 vdc battery pack.

Roland



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From: "Gary Krysztopik" <xxx@xxx.xxx.com>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <xxx@xxx.xxx.edu>
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> Does anyone have a source and p/n for a contactor to control the 240
> VAC, 50A input of a PFC50 using a 12VDC coil? So far I found a
> *LC1D50A6JD*
> <http://products.schneider-electric.us/products-services/product-detail/?event=productDetail&countryCode=us&partNumber=LC1 D50A6JD>
> for $291 on the Square D website. Local places don't have anything and
> EV parts places don't either, and I checked Mouser and Grainger. Seems
> to be a tough part to find.
>
> Gary Krysztopik
> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> San Antonio, TX
>
> I also have a AC magnetic size 2 3-pole contactor that is between the AC
> input connector and the battery charger,
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My experience is that about 20% of my posts to EVDL get "lost". So,
here is this one again.

[quote] Gary Krysztopik wrote:
> Does anyone have a source and p/n for a contactor to control the 240
> VAC, 50A input of a PFC50 using a 12VDC coil? So far I found a
> *LC1D50A6JD*
> <http://products.schneider-electric.us/products-services/product-detail/?event=productDetail&countryCode=us&partNumber=LC1 D50A6JD>
> for $291 on the Square D website. Local places don't have anything and
> EV parts places don't either, and I checked Mouser and Grainger. Seems
> to be a tough part to find.

I have one of these on order:
http://is.gd/67cdRu

I'm preparing to use a 10kw charger:
http://www.emotorwerks.com/cgi-bin/VMcharger.pl
also on order.

I think I have 12ga ac wiring in my car; I wonder if that is
sufficient? Might pull around 40 amps at 240vac; maybe 10-15 feet of
wire.

I just made a ~150 mile trip to Houston and back. Just before I
started, one of my chargers crapped out on me and I was only able to
charge at ~15 battery amps instead of ~27 battery amps. So, we cut two
of the trip legs pretty close because we were tired of waiting for
charge. I think the 10kw charger might do close to 60 battery amps.

If things go semi-smoothly, I'll be plotting some road trips. Drive
for 2-3 hours, charge for 3-4 hours, drive for 2-3 hours, etc.

Incidentally, you might recall that I had been trying to get a relay
with a 120vac coil working on both 240vac and 120vac input. I finally
went with a 12v coil and used a universal wall wart power supply to get
the 12vdc. That set up has been trouble free now for about six months.

--
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Hi Gary, I have just what you need pulled out of a commercial UPS. I have
several of them and can let them go at a real good price. Only problem is
that it uses 24VDC coil if you can make that work. Unfortunately I do not
have the part number with me. When I get home tonight I'll send that to
you and the list. They are 240VAC 3 phase contactors so there will be 4
poles. Its a little overkill for what you need but it will work. They do
show up on ebay on occasion and I think they generally go in the $50 - $75
range.

Mike

[quote] Gary Krysztopik <xxx@xxx.xxx.com>wrote:

> Does anyone have a source and p/n for a contactor to control the 240
> VAC, 50A input of a PFC50 using a 12VDC coil? So far I found a
> *LC1D50A6JD*
> <
> http://products.schneider-electric.us/products-services/product-detail/?event=productDetail&countryCode=us&partNumber=LC1 D50A6JD
> >
> for $291 on the Square D website. Local places don't have anything and
> EV parts places don't either, and I checked Mouser and Grainger. Seems
> to be a tough part to find.
>
> Gary Krysztopik
> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> San Antonio, TX
>
> I also have a AC magnetic size 2 3-pole contactor that is between the AC
> input connector and the battery charger,
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OTOH there are these for $15 if you can use 24VDC coil voltage and limit to
30A on the AC input. What pack voltage are you charging?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GE-CR353AC3AH1-contactor-30-amp-3-poles-3-phase-coil-24-volt-078316640306-/330720753160?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools&hash =item4d007e3608#ht_500wt_909


Mike

[quote] Mike Willmon <xxx@xxx.xxx>wrote:

> Hi Gary, I have just what you need pulled out of a commercial UPS. I have
> several of them and can let them go at a real good price. Only problem is
> that it uses 24VDC coil if you can make that work. Unfortunately I do not
> have the part number with me. When I get home tonight I'll send that to
> you and the list. They are 240VAC 3 phase contactors so there will be 4
> poles. Its a little overkill for what you need but it will work. They do
> show up on ebay on occasion and I think they generally go in the $50 - $75
> range.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Gary Krysztopik <xxx@xxx.xxx.com>wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a source and p/n for a contactor to control the 240
>> VAC, 50A input of a PFC50 using a 12VDC coil? So far I found a
>> *LC1D50A6JD*
>> <
>> http://products.schneider-electric.us/products-services/product-detail/?event=productDetail&countryCode=us&partNumber=LC1 D50A6JD
>> >
>> for $291 on the Square D website. Local places don't have anything and
>> EV parts places don't either, and I checked Mouser and Grainger. Seems
>> to be a tough part to find.
>>
>> Gary Krysztopik
>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>> San Antonio, TX
>>
>> I also have a AC magnetic size 2 3-pole contactor that is between the AC
>> input connector and the battery charger,
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oops sorry, I meant to say they go in the $500 - 750 range. I'd let this
one go for $200. I have 6 of them. These are not my postings as mine are
not advertised.

But both of these are the same as the ones I have:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ABB-EK-100C4P-YL-EK-100C4PYL-Contactor-170Amp-600Vac-USED-/370544391328?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56462a b4a0#ht_781wt_1126


http://www.ebay.com/itm/ABB-CONTACTOR-170A-170-AMP-A-600V-4P-EK-100-SK-824-040-SK-824-040-DB-24V-COIL-/300669998636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460154 162c#ht_1895wt_892


[quote] Mike Willmon <xxx@xxx.xxx>wrote:

> Hi Gary, I have just what you need pulled out of a commercial UPS. I have
> several of them and can let them go at a real good price. Only problem is
> that it uses 24VDC coil if you can make that work. Unfortunately I do not
> have the part number with me. When I get home tonight I'll send that to
> you and the list. They are 240VAC 3 phase contactors so there will be 4
> poles. Its a little overkill for what you need but it will work. They do
> show up on ebay on occasion and I think they generally go in the $50 - $75
> range.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Gary Krysztopik <xxx@xxx.xxx.com>wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a source and p/n for a contactor to control the 240
>> VAC, 50A input of a PFC50 using a 12VDC coil? So far I found a
>> *LC1D50A6JD*
>> <
>> http://products.schneider-electric.us/products-services/product-detail/?event=productDetail&countryCode=us&partNumber=LC1 D50A6JD
>> >
>> for $291 on the Square D website. Local places don't have anything and
>> EV parts places don't either, and I checked Mouser and Grainger. Seems
>> to be a tough part to find.
>>
>> Gary Krysztopik
>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>> San Antonio, TX
>>
>> I also have a AC magnetic size 2 3-pole contactor that is between the AC
>> input connector and the battery charger,
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In the application I pulled these out of they ran 3 hots and a neutral
through the contactor. The green wire terminated to the chassis.

But I took them because I see lots of experimental uses for these big lugs
;-)

Mike

[quote] Mark Grasser <xxx@xxx.xxx>wrote:

> After looking at the contactor, very nice by the way, I just want to say,
> NEVER break the ground wire, Only the hot and neutral.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Mark Grasser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxx@xxx.xxx.edu [mailto:xxx@xxx.xxx.edu] On
> Behalf
> Of Lee Hart
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 5:35 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Contactor between charger and battery - charger input
> contactor
>
> On 5/11/2012 3:13 PM, Mike Willmon wrote:
> > OTOH there are these for $15 if you can use 24VDC coil voltage and
> > limit to 30A on the AC input. What pack voltage are you charging?
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/GE-CR353AC3AH1-contactor-30-amp-3-poles-3-phas
> > e-coil-24-volt-078316640306-/330720753160?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_T
> > ools&hash=item4d007e3608#ht_500wt_909
>
> That's a far better candidate than your last one. This one is a from a
> reputable manufacturer, and has ratings that have been tested by the
> various
> safety agencies. I have no knowledge or connection with the seller.
>
> --
> Humanity is acquiring all the right technology for all the wrong reasons.
> -- R. Buckminster Fuller
> --
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