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Old 02-03-2012, 06:24 AM
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I think i spotted on a forum last year that certain parts of canada had banned ev conversions then changed their minds but specified a large warning sticker had to fixed to the car. I wonder if we could get those?
That was in Ontario.

According to the MTO:
  • One decal shall be affixed to the inside of the lower, driver-side corner of the windshield and the second one to the lower passenger-side corner of the rear window. If the vehicle is not equipped with a rear window, the second label shall be affixed to the inside of the lower, rearmost corner of the rearmost passenger-side window.
Here is what the sticker looks like:
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:32 AM
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Thumper, any ideas where these decals are already available? I've got a pair of the standard "high voltage" triangles stuck on my EV, one near the windshield and one over the rear window. But I really like the one you showed with the "electric vehicle conversion" on it.

If you know of a source, please post it. Thanks.
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:27 AM
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Thumper, any ideas where these decals are already available? I've got a pair of the standard "high voltage" triangles stuck on my EV, one near the windshield and one over the rear window. But I really like the one you showed with the "electric vehicle conversion" on it.

If you know of a source, please post it. Thanks.
The Ontario MTO gives them to you when you register your conversion. I don't know where you can buy them.

You could right click on the image in my post and Save as a jpg to your desktop. Then print it on Avery sticker paper.
I went to a graphics shop that does car wraps and had them print me some on waterproof vinyl.
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I really liked that Canadian sticker so I downloaded it and ordered two larger ones for my build. Here is what it looks like:
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:14 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntK3rvVl2Qw

The best video I have seen related to First Responder training for electric vehicles. For DIY'ers - pay attention to the required badging, where NOT to put your high voltage cables, and how production car safety loops are designed.

I own a Model S... and this video made me sick to my stomach as I watched them take a beautiful new car and chop it apart with the jaw-of-life... (Just kidding.)

I changed some of the design of my DIY project after watching this...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntK3rvVl2Qw

The best video I have seen related to First Responder training for electric vehicles...

I changed some of the design of my DIY project after watching this...
Yes, it gave me food for thought as well. Key takeaways:
  1. HV cables should colored (ideally orange)
  2. An under-hood emergency disconnect should be present and clearly labeled with an emergency responder icon (fire hat?)
  3. External badging to show it is an EV

Nothing new, but I'll take it into consideration as I'm rebuilding my EVs.
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Here is more docs on First Responder Info: http://www.evsafetytraining.org/reso...resources.aspx

PLUS some more info in EV certification: http://www.cleantechinstitute.org/Training/CEVT.html

ALSO, They say that anyone can buy Chevy-Volt on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Xn_Qtll4ruU
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Excellent information. It was impressive to see the techniques for dash removal and the cutting of other parts of the vehicle for safe extrication of occupants. I can see where DIY conversions may need special consideration and perhaps some standardization for the safety of first responders as well as the occupants in case of an incident.

Perhaps a high voltage and/or current detector could be designed which can pick up the electric or magnetic field of a significant amount of voltage or current in cables and other components.

The location of the battery pack of the Tesla under the floor pan may be overall the best, but it will make it subject to damage from rocks and other debris on roads, and especially if the vehicle should land on a guard rail or metal lamppost or road sign. I would assume it is made of strong steel to resist puncture and dents that may damage the Li-Ion cells.
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The location of the battery pack of the Tesla under the floor pan may be overall the best, but it will make it subject to damage from rocks and other debris on roads, and especially if the vehicle should land on a guard rail or metal lamppost or road sign. I would assume it is made of strong steel to resist puncture and dents that may damage the Li-Ion cells.
I was happening to read through this old thread, and came upon this. Good call, I think you might be psychic :-) As I'm sure everybody is aware, exactly this happened a couple of weeks ago.

From http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-fire

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Earlier this week, a Model S traveling at highway speed struck a large metal object, causing significant damage to the vehicle. A curved section that fell off a semi-trailer was recovered from the roadway near where the accident occurred and, according to the road crew that was on the scene, appears to be the culprit. The geometry of the object caused a powerful lever action as it went under the car, punching upward and impaling the Model S with a peak force on the order of 25 tons. Only a force of this magnitude would be strong enough to punch a 3 inch diameter hole through the quarter inch armor plate protecting the base of the vehicle.
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ffffffffffffffff&@#
it punched a 3inch hole through a piece of quarter inch plate
if that happened to a normal car that would be like an armor piercing bullet, it couldv done anything
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