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Old 08-07-2012, 11:30 PM
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Tom A, you owe me a work day! When I told the guys about the dual function throttle pedal today, I lost them to the idea! It was a blast, and they had good ideas for realizing it. More to come.






I also realized today that the job of a head designer for a major firm has a serious down side. I've always worked by myself, especially in design. Even with the Team, I usually just hand over the fabrication tasks, after the design work has been completed. Today, was the most I've ever touched on the team or committee style of designing a part or system.

The down side is, in the end, you have to pick and choose elements that you feel are best for the project, and combine them into one final decision. I knew these guys were passionate about what they had developed, but also had to slice and dice their ideas for what was in the best interest of the project. Sorry guys!

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Old 08-11-2012, 07:21 AM
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I took a second look at the failed intake plenum flange casting and realized that we could save a modified version of it, so we did. We machined the top and bottom surfaces of the good part flat, and I am in the process of designing a new plenum. This is a good pic that shows what I am chasing - the ability to kind of visually track the airflow through the engine.





Kez also started running the rear bars from the roll bar stanchions to the rear plates. It angles down from the cockpit, for a little hardtail-ish chopper flare.


Busy intersection already, and we'll probably stuff a couple more bars in there. There's going to be triangulation everywhere.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:25 AM
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I started a thread in Techinical Discussion, but haven't received any replies, so I will ask here as well.

Does anyone know what OEM TPS (throttle position sensor) is best for a custom pot box?

EDIT: Nevermind, I get it now. I was under the impression that TP-Sensors were all Hall effect. I didn't realize that the older ones pretty much all just send a voltage signal to the ECU. That's makes it easy, I can just pick the one that best suits the design.

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Old 08-13-2012, 10:44 PM
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I backed the intake manifold design up to something much more simple. The plenum will be a simple fabricated aluminum sheet metal, rounded, box. The throttle body (TB) will bolt directly to the top of it, and be capped off with a vintage, oil bath, style air cleaner. The devil will be in the details...


The details aren't present in this CAD rendering either, as it's just a rough sketch to see if I liked the look of a simple aluminum plenum and oil bath air cleaner. The sides of the air cleaner will roll under, kind of bowl-shaped; the top will have a recess in the center for my Bat-T logo emblem; and the top will be fastened with three or four "buckles" around the perimeter.

The air cleaner is actually just a hat for the boosted air to blow into the TB through. Also not present is the traditional air cleaner "snorkel", which will roll under and point towards the oil pan (where the tube will actually come from, bringing the fresh air charge). I'm thinking about making the connection of the snorkel to the air cleaner housing fairly obvious with it being seemingly attached by hand-docked, copper, rivets. (Yup, I'm aware of galvanic reaction.corrosion. )
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:10 AM
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This was actually done a couple days ago, but my schedule has been so crazy I am just getting the pics posted. Kez has both rear bars notched and ready to be tacked in. That means we can start connecting the dots on the rear suspension.



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Old 08-19-2012, 10:16 AM
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One of the biggest hurdles in this project, has been coming up with upper suspension mounts that I liked. I have been trying for months, and everything I tried I hated. The breakthrough came when one of the Team members (Ahmed, the industrial design major) started drawing. I didn't ultimately use his idea, but it was the catalyst I needed. In the spirit of the rear plates we just carved out, here are the front mounts. Six pieces, almost self aligning, and we'll have front suspension! I only added two more brackets to each side, but the front sure does look busy; and there's more stuff to go in there!


In the process, I also solved another dilemma - headlights. They visually extend the roll cage tubes through to the front, to match how the rear cage tubes end. The front can't go through both brackets because the axles pass through that space. These little miniature lights won't technically be legal, but here in the great state of Ohio, we can get away with a lot on custom vehicles. If they happen to pass the legislation that would allow me to register this as an actual 1919 Ford Model T, these lights will far exceed the factory specifications. If not, I'll use regular street rod lights to get past inspection and take my chances that the cops won't really care in real life.

The plan is based on hollow aluminum spheres. Cut a hole for the lense on the front, fabricate Delrin-bushed pivot ball type clamping rings, and fit a 10-12w LED in the back. Adjustment is by loosening the clamp rings, rotating the ball, and locking the rings again. Initially, we'll just polish the inside of the sphere (the reflector surface), and probably have it chrome plated (on the inside only) later for a better reflective surface and less maintenance.

The design follows what we're doing in back for the tail lights. They'll be inside the rear cage bars, that poke through the rear chassis plates, with small five-bolt trim rings holding clear acrylic lenses.

Why wouldn't we make our own headlights? We're making everything else!

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Old 08-19-2012, 02:53 PM
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Got a render with full bodywork, so I can see what the headlights look like? BTW you and your group are pretty amazing.

I'm recovering from my surgery, so hopefully I'll be able to start back on mine around the middle of September.

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Old 08-19-2012, 09:55 PM
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Got a render with full bodywork, so I can see what the headlights look like?...
Full bodywork is really a relative term in this case, but yeah I'll put the new stuff in the full mock-up model, with the door-less body skin on it. I don't know if that point was made clear, but that's it - that body and the grille, no hood, no deck; like a hot babe in a bikini!

It'll take a minute because that file is pretty big and takes almost a gig of memory to open and work in, and I have some other stuff to finish before my , not so swift, geriatric, computer can tackle that.



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...BTW you and your group are pretty amazing...
Thanks Mike! We're having fun, and getting warmed up now. I just picked up a new intern, that's hitting the ground running, and has me expecting greatness already. More details on that coming up tonight or tomorrow morning...




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...I'm recovering from my surgery, so hopefully I'll be able to start back on mine around the middle of September.

Mike
Uh-oh, I'd better get moving on that roof!

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Old 08-19-2012, 10:14 PM
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Oh, I thought it had a turtle deck and hood. Well don't go through to much trouble then. I can get a good enough idea with your current pic.

Still, no hurry on the roof. When/if a break comes in your schedule then maybe you can make some progress on it. I've got a lot of ground to cover brakes, motor/trans coupling, electrical etc... I might need the door pattern though for when I stretch the body... But I think I can do that after too...
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:25 PM
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Oh, I thought it had a turtle deck and hood. Well don't go through to much trouble then. I can get a good enough idea with your current pic...
That was before I lost my mind and start tossing (virtual) parts in the trash - like the hood, deck, and doors!

It's no trouble really, I want to see the composite myself. I just have to do it when I don't need the computer for a lot of other stuff. I can get away with some mild web surfing, I think.



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...Still, no hurry on the roof. When/if a break comes in your schedule then maybe you can make some progress on it. I've got a lot of ground to cover brakes, motor/trans coupling, electrical etc... I might need the door pattern though for when I stretch the body... But I think I can do that after too...
Gotcha. I'm looking forward to doing those things though, so it hopefully won't be too long.




I was in my little office planning away and a pretty lady knocked on the rough opening (don't have a door installed yet) and asked if she could come work on the hot rods with us! What do you think I said?! Amanda is an ME graduate student at OSU, and is interning at the Columbus Idea Foundry. Alex, my partner and the founder of the Idea Foundry, is gracious enough to share his interns with us - that's how Evan came in too. I return the favor by stealing them, almost completely, from him!

Anyway, Amanda hit the ground running tonight. She's fluent in CAD, so I had her model a quick wooden template to cut the center holes in the brake/clutch master cylinder mounting plate Kyle had been working on. The template was for cutting the center holes with the plasma cutter, so the template holes are half the diameter of the plasma's tip over the size of the actual hole. I measured, she modeled, we cut the template, made some thickness adjustments on the (metal) mill to get the tip closer to the steel, and Amanda cut the center holes and smoothed them out just enough for the master cylinders to fit. It's obviously fresh off the plasma here.

The scratch-outs, and multiple patterns in a pattern, aren't Amanda's fault. I was having one of them days when I did this one for Kyle to get started on it (last week). I think it was lack of sleep induced. First, I forgot that the clutch (smaller vertical mount in the right) was supposed to be higher, then I couldn't seem to reconcile in my tired mind which way was higher on the pattern. Eventually, after a few pieces of tape, and a lot of scribbling, I got it. Notice, I even scratched out the right clutch master cylinder mounting hole once though.





Tomorrow, I'll get the mounting holes located and drilled, and post pics of the master cylinders bolted to it.
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