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Old 07-27-2008, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: [EVDL] GM partners with utilities to advance plug-in hybrids

>
> Hi Jack.
>
> I'm not sure when the original law was written. Originally, the law
> required them to offer these services to anybody; the law was amended
> in 1999 to limit it to customers who buy fuel.
>
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/99-00/bill/asm/ab_0501-0550/ab_531_bill_19990930_chaptered.html
>
>
> Tim
>
> -----
> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:18:52 -0400
> From: "Jack Riggi" <xxx@xxx.xxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM partners with utilities to advance plug-in
> hybrids
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <xxx@xxx.xxx.edu>
>
> When did they pass that law, I was there in CA in 97 & had to use quarters
> then no free air
>
>

I live in Ca. And 1 in 5 or 6 gas stations that have these, still work.
But I look at it another way, it is the difference between making a sale
and making a customer.
They use to call them services stations for a reason. LOL
I have a gasser too. Sometimes it's tank is full and it's tire is not.
If they give me flack and won't let me put air in my car without buying
gasoline, They loose the customer, When the gasser needs gas, i will
drive out of my way to avoid them for at least a year.
Never force a customer to buy something, they have long memories.


Also, If i get in a wreck because of a tire blowout from me or another
driver being refused air... Well maybe the layers came up with this one
to provide steady revenue anyway.

Here is another tact, As Ev'ers, maybe switch from creating vacuum to
creating air. Put a small tank in the trunk and a compressor that comes
on if it drops below 30psi. You put in 100 psi at home or during
charging. We now modify the vacuum booster to run on air, (vacuum on
front and atmosphere on back is the same as atmosphere on front and 14.8
psi on back) The regulated down to 14.8 psi for the brakes means this
tank doesn't have to be very large.

I have been designing on paper the perfect EV. One concept is this. Now
you have on board air for rafts, intertubes, mattrasses,etc not to
mention tires and the brakes.

Now I can get rid of the mechanical jack and put in air jacks like in
the race cars. (when you are considering a composite chassis, defineing
where the lifting points are gets kinda touchy) A plate on a rope might
be the only part the customer deals with. The lid to the valve body in
the floor of the trunk can be an Optional load plate on a rope to stick
under the jack on gravel or dirt surfaces... :-)

If I could just get rid of the spare. (wonders if rolled out tire would
make nice bumper. nah, only 3 feet in length)
I have wasted brain cells on this. 2 part rims and fold flat spares?
runflat? ported spindles ? 6 wheels 2 up front 4 in back, thin duallys
that let water escape, like those "aquatreads" A person would really
really have to look to see that they are two seperate rims. Added weight
but redundent, could use high pressure tires.



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Old 07-27-2008, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: [EVDL] GM partners with utilities to advance plug-in hybrids

Thank for the information Tim, to bad the don't have that law in Fl. I don't
think they do?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Clevenger" <xxx@xxx.xxx>
To: <xxx@xxx.xxx.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM partners with utilities to advance plug-in hybrids


> Hi Jack.
>
> I'm not sure when the original law was written. Originally, the law
> required them to offer these services to anybody; the law was amended
> in 1999 to limit it to customers who buy fuel.
>
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/99-00/bill/asm/ab_0501-0550/ab_531_bill_19990930_chaptered.html
>
>
> Tim
>
> -----
> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:18:52 -0400
> From: "Jack Riggi" <xxx@xxx.xxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM partners with utilities to advance plug-in
> hybrids
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <xxx@xxx.xxx.edu>
>
> When did they pass that law, I was there in CA in 97 & had to use quarters
> then no free air
>
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:27 PM
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:13:18 -0400, "Jack Riggi" <xxx@xxx.xxx.com>
[quote]wrote:

>Thank for the information Tim, to bad the don't have that law in Fl. I don't
>think they do?

Why would you want that in Florida? Don't you like the relatively reasonable
fuel prices of that state? What would happen is that the gas station
operators would simply raise the markup a little to cover the cost of the
compressor.

Judging from the on-line gas price tracking sites, most parts of CA
consistently pay about a dollar a gallon more than we do here for gasoline. I
think that the non-tourist parts of Florida have similar prices. Hundreds of
silly regulations like that are what make up the difference. Californians pay
heavily for all those "free" services. Me, I'm more than happy to carry
around a combination booster pack and tire pump in my truck.

Maybe more merchants ought to do like I did in my restaurant. Every time the
government did something to raise my costs, I increased my prices accordingly.
But instead of simply making things a bit more expensive, I programmed my
point-of-sale system to call out each cost. So many pennies for the tripling
of the restaurant permit fee. So many pennies when I had to enclose my
dumpster. So many pennies when I had to replace some refrigeration because it
had reached an arbitrary age. Etc.

I educated a whole lot of people that way.

John
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:35 PM
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Default Re: [EVDL] GM partners with utilities to advance plug-in hybrids

Hmm, what does this mean?Will they control it and limit access?
Will it be the paddle charger?
Will they make it complex?

hi wander these charging stations ie gm , if they will be for,, volts only
??? like when u buy a volt you get a magnetic card to use in charging
stations free 4 life ,,, without card dont work for other non volt owners
??/ or use charge card etc to buy by kw for non volt owners ??

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