[T1 Terry]

Hi Doug,
Do you charge a battery each day to power the electrolyser? Please don't say it's powered from the alternator, I think I'll crack if I hear that nonsense again. Simply, you can't produce electrical energy through a unit that's at best 70% efficient (alternator) but powered by the crankshaft, then feed it into a unit that is at best 25% efficient (electrolyser) to produce fuel for the engine that you are dragging the power out of, it would require free energy and you need anti matter feed into a flux capacitor to produce it and the Deloraine got wrecked by the train.
If you had a bank of lithium batteries you could power the electrolyser without robbing energy from the crank and recharge the batteries each night. Then if you bank the money you save on fuel you can finally convert to a full electric vehicle and save even more money.

T1 Terry

[Sunking]

Originally Posted by Teknichols

I have been running a Hydrogen hybrid for over 3 years now in my 1992 Mitsubishi Lancer (carby model). I have done many tests of economy with and without it running and I have gone from around 8-9l/100Km without to 6.5-7.5l/100Km with it running. As well as an increase of up to 100Km range per tank, the car is much more smooth and powerful on hills.
The system I use consumes about 250ml water every 1000Km and cost me about A$50.00 to make and install.
You still use petrol /gasolene as the main fuel, but the HHO gas helps the combustion process and gives less pollution due to more complete burning.
There are plans on the net for similar systems, just google HHO.
Doug.

Complete BS.

There are many organizations just waiting for you to prove it. When proved you will receive a $1,000,000 reward, and patents which will lead to you being the richest man in the world. To date no one has come forward because it is BS. You obviously failed all your science and math classes, and passed political science majoring in BS

[Teknichols]

You all seem to be missing the main theory behind this use of hydrogen!
First of all I have this running in my everyday use car - I welcome anyone to come and see it for themselves! (Sydney, Australia).
The hydrogen is only used to assist the petrol burning in the cylinder. not to run the entire motor! My system uses 15A 12V at cold and goes up to about 25A 12V when hot. (Ok from a 55A alternator!) and generates about 0.75 - 1.0 litre of HHO / minute.
There are systems available commercially that inject LPG into a diesel engine to increase the burn efficiency of the diesel fuel. I am doing a similar thing but with hydrogen and a petrol engine.
Note that if you add hydrogen system to a EFI motor you also need to modify some of the sensor signals to the computer, as it will sense a leaning of the mixture and try to add more fuel. but this is simple to overcome.
Send me a msg if you want pics or if in Sydney you want to see my system.
It really works!

[T1 Terry]

Just a tad harsh Sunking, the concept of adding hydrogen to the combustion process does improve the overall efficiency of an ICE but not enough to equal the energy required to create it. If you google the subject and sort through tons of BS stuff there are videos of small engines running on pure water gas, the hydrogen/oxygen mix derived from electrolytically splitting water to it's gasses. An interesting read is Gimes, Varghese and Rajan's “Light, Water, Hydrogen” and the age old "The Solar-Hydrogen Alternative" by J O'M. Bockris of the Finders University of South Australia. Some real eye opening genuine information from repeatable experiments in those 2 books and some open ended experiments begging for funding into mass hydrogen generation.

T1 Terry

[Sunking]

[QUOTE=T1 Terry;247556]Just a tad harsh Sunking, [/QUOTE]

Perhaps but HHO is junk science. Like I said there are many scientific organizations with $1,000,000 reward money for the first person to come forward with a working system. No takers so far. First person who does it is the next Bill Gates and gets a Law of Physics named after then plus a Noble Peace Prize.

[PZigouras]

Originally Posted by Teknichols

You all seem to be missing the main theory behind this use of hydrogen!
First of all I have this running in my everyday use car - I welcome anyone to come and see it for themselves! (Sydney, Australia).
The hydrogen is only used to assist the petrol burning in the cylinder. not to run the entire motor! My system uses 15A 12V at cold and goes up to about 25A 12V when hot. (Ok from a 55A alternator!) and generates about 0.75 - 1.0 litre of HHO / minute.
There are systems available commercially that inject LPG into a diesel engine to increase the burn efficiency of the diesel fuel. I am doing a similar thing but with hydrogen and a petrol engine.
Note that if you add hydrogen system to a EFI motor you also need to modify some of the sensor signals to the computer, as it will sense a leaning of the mixture and try to add more fuel. but this is simple to overcome.
Send me a msg if you want pics or if in Sydney you want to see my system.
It really works!

Since your car is a 1992 and it has a carb, I could see how the faster burn time of the hydrogen/oxygen would help a little... it's rare that a carb'ed engine ever burns all the fuel each cycle. I've tested many older cars, and there was a slight improvement in combustion when a fast-burning fuel was added in (like hydrogen).

But I also tested these systems on several newer cars, and unfortunately, there was noting to be gained. At lower RPMs, most 2009-up cars burn over 98% of the fuel that enters the combustion chamber, and the rest is reserved for the catalytic converter. Best possible case, if given enough H2+O2, you may burn up the extra 2% -- but you would not see any difference in fuel economy.

There was a time when fast-burning gaseous fuels like natural gas, hydrogen, and naptha really helped the combustions process.... but those days are long gone. With today's technology, virtually nothing leaves the tailpipe unburned -- even when using heavy, liquid fuels.

[Teknichols]

Three years ago, I was a sceptic like you, but I was open minded and first of all built a proof of concept electrolizer - it worked so well I reduced my fuel consumption from 8.5l/100km to 5.5l/100km (measured over 1000km).
I have refined my system and limited the current to about 20A.
I would be sceptical still, but I actually use this and can feel the difference in power with it running.
I have plans on building an electric conversion soon, but in the meantime while I save my pennies, I have to drive my old car - and getting 100Km more per tank of fuel is not worth ignoring.
I agree that newer vehicles are more efficient, but can't afford the luxury yet as I was out of work for a while.
So I drive a 'recycled' '92 car which owes me nothing, has minimal mechanical problems and costs me the same to run as a modern car!
You may think this system is all ***, I don't have to convince you! I'll just keep on saving at the bowser and driving my little car, satisfied that I have improved my fuel economy, increased power and reduced emissions.
-Almost as good as 'the EV grin'!

[PZigouras]

I didn't say that I disagree your are saving fuel... like I said, I've tried this both on vehicles, and on the dyno (with an EGA hooked up). A properly built hydrogen+oxidizer system will show more complete combustion on engines that have poor atomization and/or incomplete combustion (such as your carb'ed engine).

Here in the US, most of the cars on the road are 2001 and up, which is why this technology is not being used. If a late-model OBDII car shows anything under 97% fuel combustion, the check engine lights will turn on and light up your dash board like a christmas tree... so you know for a fact you are burning virtually every drop of gas that goes into the engine.

Until just recently, diesel engines benefited greatly from the addition of hydrogen. But now, with the new 36,000+ PSI fuel injection rails, the atomization and burn quality is so good, they no longer really need help burning the fuel. I would recommend a nice hydrogen or propane system for the older diesels, but if you have a 2007-up engine, I would not bother with it. I have witnessed many, many, many tests and these are the results I've seen.

[infantry11b]

Good for you. Glad you like what you are doing. My only comment is that your choice is your choice, don't think even for one second, that you have the right to force YOUR choice onto someone else.

Originally Posted by Teknichols

Three years ago, I was a sceptic like you, but I was open minded and first of all built a proof of concept electrolizer - it worked so well I reduced my fuel consumption from 8.5l/100km to 5.5l/100km (measured over 1000km).

[aeroscott]

Originally Posted by PZigouras

I didn't say that I disagree your are saving fuel... like I said, I've tried this both on vehicles, and on the dyno (with an EGA hooked up). A properly built hydrogen+oxidizer system will show more complete combustion on engines that have poor atomization and/or incomplete combustion (such as your carb'ed engine).

Here in the US, most of the cars on the road are 2001 and up, which is why this technology is not being used. If a late-model OBDII car shows anything under 97% fuel combustion, the check engine lights will turn on and light up your dash board like a christmas tree... so you know for a fact you are burning virtually every drop of gas that goes into the engine.

Until just recently, diesel engines benefited greatly from the addition of hydrogen. But now, with the new 36,000+ PSI fuel injection rails, the atomization and burn quality is so good, they no longer really need help burning the fuel. I would recommend a nice hydrogen or propane system for the older diesels, but if you have a 2007-up engine, I would not bother with it. I have witnessed many, many, many tests and these are the results I've seen.

this make good sense to me .; I would think these later engines could still benefit but would need greatly increased hydrogen quantity . if ueria is electorized it takes 10% of the energy that water does to get hydrogen split . We all make lots of that .