[denizen]

Permanent magnet gen turned by an attachment with a bigger diameter than the gen: powered by perm mags and iron yokes to prevent locking. To say Perpetual Motion/free energy is impossible please explain how the earth stays in continual rotation and I thought physics teaches that something stays in motion until effected by outside forces e.g. friction. But if you have an iron yoke powered gen that is of a bigger diameter than the gen itself then I see no reason why a perpetual vehicle can't be possible. If you say no, then you obviously haven't opened up your mind or whatever. Heck, Edison and Tesla's professor of electrical engineering laughed at his AC current motors and poly phase. I rest my case.

[kek_63]

Originally Posted by denizen

......................................... But if you have an iron yoke powered gen that is of a bigger diameter than the gen itself then I see no reason why a perpetual vehicle can't be possible. If you say no, then you obviously haven't opened up your mind or whatever.....................................

Well then you, sir, can laugh in our faces when you are a VERY rich man from the profits of your generator sales.

Keith

[Woodsmith]

Originally Posted by denizen

To say Perpetual Motion/free energy is impossible please explain how the earth stays in continual rotation and I thought physics teaches that something stays in motion until effected by outside forces e.g. friction.

The Earth isn't in Perpetual Motion, it only seems that way because humans who have thought about it have only been around for a tiny amount of time.
It is being slowed down by the external force of gravitational drag from the Sun. It is, therefore, slowing down and moving further away from the Sun. The Moon is also slowing the spin of the Earth and making the days longer. The Moon in turn is slowing in its orbit and moving away from the Earth.

This, however, has nothing to do with your proposal unless you put it in a vacuum, use 100% friction free bearings, sheild it from gravity including its own, remove all traces of magnetism, electric or otherwise....
...Oh, errr, that means it won't work.

[jeremyjs]

just a small correction to that last. The moon is speeding up and moving further away; because it rotates the earth slightly slower than the earths rotation; which in turn slows down the earths rotation slightly; since some of it's energy is being transferred to the moon through gravity.

[Ziggythewiz]

Come on, guys, open your minds.

A Perpetual Motion device is perfectly theoretically possible, in a vacuum etc etc.

However, to be a Perpetual Motion MACHINE, it needs to be doing work as well as just moving, which means exerting a force which has to come from somewhere and breaks the perpetuity.

[Woodsmith]

Originally Posted by jeremyjs

just a small correction to that last. The moon is speeding up and moving further away; because it rotates the earth slightly slower than the earths rotation; which in turn slows down the earths rotation slightly; since some of it's energy is being transferred to the moon through gravity.

I think you are correct in that (me typing slower then I am thinking with a migraine starting up).
The Moon is moving further way at a rate of nearly 4" per year IIRC and gaining speed from the Earth. However, as its orbit is getting bigger it has slowed down, relatively speaking, otherwise the gain in speed would mean it is getting closer with a shorter orbital duration. In other words the orbit of the moon will take longer as it has moved further out.

Still means it isn't Perpetual Motion though.

[jeremyjs]

Originally Posted by Woodsmith

You are quite correct, me typing slower then I am thinking with a migraine starting up.
The Moon is moving further way at a rate of nearly 4" per year IIRC and gaining speed from the Earth.

Still means it isn't perpetual motion though.

Agreed. I was just picking nits.

[Woodsmith]

Originally Posted by jeremyjs

Agreed. I was just picking nits.

Nits are well worth picking when someone suggest any sort of Perpetual Motion, even those supposedly devised by the Gods.

[JRoque]

Originally Posted by jeremyjs

The moon is speeding up...

Cool!! My idea is definitely going to work then!

Originally Posted by JRoque

how about making a giant wheel and attach it to the moon with a really, really long pipe. When the moon goes around the Earth, the wheel rolls and generates free electricity!!!

JR

[Jason Lattimer]

Just google Laws of Thermodynamics, and read the damned thing already. Were not talking theory here these are laws. Specifically read up on the part about conservation of energy.