[david85]

Originally Posted by Manntis

Ram has one - the other was delivered to a dealership. In Ram's case he ordered a FOrd Escape PHEV conversion - Ken sent him the Ranger instead, and with lead acid batteries. Finally Ken swapped in the LiIons, but no BMS. Ram has spent a ton of money since trying to get the truck to work properly.

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This just keeps getting better and better!

[mattW]

I'd rather if someone who know the details could post a "warning about Lion EV" thread in the same section so people can read both the positive and negative stuff about them. Knowing the owner is in jail is a pretty big negative though so it would be good to post it.

[TexomaEV]

Originally Posted by mattW

I'd rather if someone who know the details could post a "warning about Lion EV" thread in the same section so people can read both the positive and negative stuff about them. Knowing the owner is in jail is a pretty big negative though so it would be good to post it.

The sad thing is, the Ranger conversion is a top notch piece of work. (Ram actually ordered the Ranger, and then opted to upgrade it to a PHEV), this sort of through a kink in the events in Texas at least. But luckily he has the Ranger, and ain't letting it out of his sight, and rightfully so, for what he's invested.

Luckily for my part, my involvement wasn't monietary, just technical enough to bring into the picture the right people along with my experiments, which got Hot Juice Electric involved in designing regulators that properly charge the LiFePO4 cells with a traction pack series charger, without overcharging some cells, and undercharging others. If we could only have had this developed for LiFePO4 prior to all the problems, maybe some of the robbing Peter to pay Paul could have been avoided.

I first started working with the LiFePO4 chemistry when I contacted LionEV, about wanting to experiment with some cells in a hybrid experiment, the experiments grew from that point to now, the first production run of the BEQ1-LiFePO4 regulators are being produced as we speak, from Hot Juice ELectric.

I hope that over time, the money spent by you guys is either recovered or at least replaced with product. I pray that Ken Curry's wife can get a handle on the issues, and are working out solutions to undo the wrong doings.

So that being said, my dealings with LionEV have been nothing but positive, but, one right doesn't make good of many wrongs. At least some positive outcome has occured during all this, and hopefully the negatives will slowly turn into positives.

I for one, would never have had the opportunity to work with LiFePO4 if LionEV hadn't entrusted in me, to work out a solution to the charging problem, and for the most part, that looks to have been taken care of now with Hot Juice Electric's product. You can see photos/descriptions of his Beta regulators as he has tested them on my Flickr site, along with my testing of them as well. In a few of the photos, you'll see a really rough test of them, when a 12volt nominal LiFePO4 pack is inserted into a traction pack of AGM's and the entire missmatched traction pack is properly charged, due to the BEQ1's designed for the AGM's and the BEQ1's designed for the LiFePO4 take care of the series charging, of the mixed chemistry.

www.flickr.com/mbarkley

[JRP3]

I understand that your personal experience with lionev has been positive, but considering the ongoing situation can you still in good conscience keep promoting them with a link in your signature? What if someone follows that link without knowing all the negatives and gets ripped off? I would have a hard time steering business their way with all that has been going on.

[joseph3354]

[The sad thing is, the Ranger conversion is a top notch piece of work. (Ram actually ordered the Ranger, and then opted to upgrade it to a PHEV), this sort of through a kink in the events in Texas at least. But luckily he has the Ranger, and ain't letting it out of his sight, and rightfully so, for what he's invested........]

so are you saying that you knew the ranger wasn't lithium powered when you were touting it's arrival back in february?

[Luckily for my part, my involvement wasn't monietary....]

when asked if you were working with or for lionev your answer was always no,i would call thousands of dollars worth of batteries "compensation" for work performed for lionev.

[I for one, would never have had the opportunity to work with LiFePO4 if LionEV hadn't entrusted in me, to work out a solution to the charging problem....]


so lionev didn't even know how to charge the batteries they were trying to sell,the warning flags you could have posted could have saved a few people thousands of dollars and months of time.

[TexomaEV]

Originally Posted by joseph3354

[The sad thing is, the Ranger conversion is a top notch piece of work. (Ram actually ordered the Ranger, and then opted to upgrade it to a PHEV), this sort of through a kink in the events in Texas at least. But luckily he has the Ranger, and ain't letting it out of his sight, and rightfully so, for what he's invested........]

so are you saying that you knew the ranger wasn't lithium powered when you were touting it's arrival back in february?

When the Ranger was delivered, there were supposedly reasons from LionEV, that it couldn't be shipped with Lithium, and that the pack was on it's way in separate shipment. It was one excuse after another, but it did finally arrive, and was installed.

[Luckily for my part, my involvement wasn't monietary....]

when asked if you were working with or for lionev you answer was always no,i would call thousands of dollars worth of batteries "compensation" for work performed for lionev.

Not really, Most have been sacrificed, or damaged beyond any decent use. If you look at the photos on the Flickr Site, the only LiFePO4 cells I have installed in anything are the original flexpack modules in the Electric Eclipse, from the very beginning (Which by the way have never overcharged and are still working with the Pb/acid cells nicely)

The compensation to me, is having helped with getting a viable answer to charging LiFePO4 (any LiFePO4, not just what is offered by LionEV) in an EV environment for sustained use and reliability, once I personally discovered something different had to be done.

[I for one, would never have had the opportunity to work with LiFePO4 if LionEV hadn't entrusted in me, to work out a solution to the charging problem....]

so lionev didn't even know how to charge the batteries they were trying to sell,the warning flags you could have posted could have saved a few people thousands of dollars and months of time.

It was presented to me, that when I started to experiment with the LiFePO4 cells that they were curious how I'd go about building up the flexpacks into battery groups, and utilize them properly. They never sent me a charger, or instructions on any of this. I went out and purchased a 1 cell and a 4 cell LiFePO4 charger to work with the flexpacks on my own. When I saw issues with my charging, I started working on a solution for them. There again thinking they wanted to see how I handled it on my own.

[TexomaEV]

Originally Posted by JRP3

I understand that your personal experience with lionev has been positive, but considering the ongoing situation can you still in good conscience keep promoting them with a link in your signature? What if someone follows that link without knowing all the negatives and gets ripped off? I would have a hard time steering business their way with all that has been going on.

Good point, I figured out how to go back and take it out. I wonder if it will automaticly do this in previous postings? Maybe so.

[joseph3354]

[ Not really, Most have been sacrificed, or damaged beyond any decent use. If you look at the photos on the Flickr Site, the only LiFePO4 cells I have installed in anything are the original flexpack modules in the Electric Eclipse, from the very beginning ]

did you pay for those cells or were they given to you? a simple yes or no with no spin would suffice.

you have continually defended lionev against statements of fraud and misrepresentation over the last 6 months at least and now you are bringing forth information that you knew could have steered people away from them.spin that,please.

[TexomaEV]

did you pay for those cells or were they given to you? a simple yes or no with no spin would suffice.

you have continually defended lionev against statements of fraud and misrepresentation over the last 6 months at least and now you are bringing forth information that you knew could have steered people away from them.spin that,please.[/QUOTE]

No matter what I say, it wouldn't be good enough for you, This will be my last posting of the matter, period. I'll have better things to do than sit on the computer and argue.

[david85]

Originally Posted by TexomaEV

Good point, I figured out how to go back and take it out. I wonder if it will automaticly do this in previous postings? Maybe so.

Changes you make to your signature should update all of your posts.