[karlos]

Originally Posted by david85

Karlos, you may want to look at a more recent graph.

Thanks for that David. Will be quite interesting to see when/if China pulls out of it's climb and when the US pulls out of it's dive and just how related they are. Going by the graph, they seem very related.

[karlos]

Originally Posted by Beemer

I vote a bullet in the head for anyone imposing a carbon tax.

Mmmmm, through your taxes, through the costs of wars and too many lives, you don't mind or don't know you already are paying a heavy tax to run your car.
It's simple, tax oil at the well head for the real cost to the environment and let all other energy technologies compete on a level playing field. If this had happened from the beginning, my guess is electric cars etc. would be light years ahead of where they are now.

"Separation of oil from State" Like it/need it!

The more I think about, the more it stinks. Oil corporations fund elections and govs fund the oil corporations...dem

“Whoever’s in power in the House has almost dictatorial power,” a Washington consultant who has worked on oil-industry issues says. “If you control what’s going on in the House, you have huge influence over the final” legislation, as well as over the budgets and spending mandates that shape regulation.”

Think Progress.Org

[Beemer]

Originally Posted by Caps18

That graph you keep linking to is only from 2001.5 - 2002. Not a very long period of time. And don't you think that even if the South Pole is getting some snow now, that the animals at the arctic circle are having major problems?

http://www.vets.ucar.edu/vg/seaice/index.shtml
Here is a better website that shows your point. But still, melting ice and reduced ice pack around Antarctica will just help speed up the melt and eventually the ice and snow over land will melt. Both ice packs in Greenland and Antarctica are getting smaller over time.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0612092741.htm

And when the ice is gone from the arctic, it's not going to cause more ice to be formed in the Antarctic.

Then you are incapable of reading this very basic and simple graph.
The RATE of ICE GAIN in the Antarctic is going UP faster than the Arctic is losing it! I'm not interested in words or another man's belief sets Just simple hard data honestly recorded.

By the way. The central Greenland ice pack is still increasing in thickness. Official figures state 5.4cm/year but the 1960's 6 storey high DYE-2 station has almost disappeared under the ice now.

The data cannot go earlier without mixing and matching disparate methods of data collection. The start date is the date the NSIDC database was made. If you want me to do that I will be as stupid as Michael Mann's wood tree rings taken from a couple of unrepresentative tree's in California with the last few years drawn in freehand to bring it to the apparent temperature of today.

When it "feels hotter" due to the atmosphere being more humid.. That's a human condition due to sweating.

C02 absorption is almost totally obfuscated out of relevance due to water vapour. The so-called 250K reflectance band is never drawn to scale against directly radiated.. Why is that. Another one pulling porkies? Again?? Never!!!

Who would ever of guessed considering our Hansen predicted tropo heating has never occurred, leaving all the "models" in cloud cuckoo land.

[Duncan]

Both the Arctic and the Antarctic are warming and losing ice

[Beemer]

Originally Posted by Duncan

Both the Arctic and the Antarctic are warming and losing ice

I can show you a picture of Hilary Clinton bearing her fangs.

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by Beemer

I can show you a picture of Hilary Clinton bearing her fangs.

But not from peer reviewed scientific papers!

Although I'm not so sure about Maggie Thatcher

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by Beemer

I can show you a picture of Hilary Clinton bearing her fangs.

Wait I got it wrong - bearing- her fangs as in;

Giving birth?
Ball bearings?
Large furry animals?

[karlos]

Originally Posted by Beemer

Then you are incapable of reading this very basic and simple graph.
The RATE of ICE GAIN in the Antarctic is going UP faster than the Arctic is losing it! I'm not interested in words or another man's belief sets Just simple hard data honestly recorded.
.

Convince me you do not! Many sources looking at I have been; dude, losing mass, Antarctica is.

[karlos]

Up to date Grace results;

[Beemer]

Originally Posted by karlos

Convince me you do not! Many sources looking at I have been; dude, losing mass, Antarctica is.

So where's my 2009 to 2011?
What is so scary is according to that fine space vehicle. The whole Earth is altering in size. They are constantly recalibrating the thing! Accelerated Antarctic ice loss? Don't they mean gravity fluctuations? It's even got gravity losses into the horizon
This spits in the face of GPS data.

Grace under Fire