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Hi Pete and nice to meet you. I know it is a long thread, but dont just read the first post - there are many upgrades along the way (DC/DC converter, vacuum pumps, bigger vac reservoir). I ended up with 46X200AH LIFPO4 cells, Zilla Z1KHV controller and Warp 9 motor, and an Elithion BMS - all are still in use.

I would consider a more modern AC drive and controller (instead of DC brushed motors) - it is not a huge ordeal to maintain brushes (blow the dust from motor out 2 times a year, pulled motor out and switched brushes once since 2009) but the "direct short" aspect of DC controllers is not present in AC controllers. I think this would also lead to better overall efficiency - suprisingly it may be still hard to find high power AC motors and controllers I think (so if you can live with lower performance it is much less expensive, and much easier on your batteries). Using AC would mean a higher DC voltage and lower AH cells. I would not consider using lead acid batteries - although tempting due to lower initial costs, they are heavy/bulky, short life, maintenance needed etc...

Although some things have "moved on" - surprisingly the cost of LIFEPO4 large format cylindrical cells have not changed - virtually the same cost today as it was in 2009 (which due to inflation means some small reduction). If you can get cells from a salvage vehicle (leaf etc.) that would reduce costs. If you need 50 miles, you will need a pack bigger than mine - cold weather reduces range, and over time the range reduces as well. My pack started at about 100 kM, but is down to 50-60 now - this degradation can be minimized by adding insulation and heating pads on day 1 (ie do not charge when it is cold). I would even add an interlock to disable charging unless the cells are above 0C. The charge port should be standardized now - J1772 etc.

I would still go wtih a BMS (for monitoring cells as a minimum) - maxwell DC/DC converter has been awesome. Charger and Zilla controller are still supported by Manzanita (they have been great) but there are other less expensive options now. Hopefully you can find a quieter vaccuum pump and power steering hydraulic pump. Do put in a large vacuum reservoir - my original 4" ABS tube was too small (and lead to a scary sensation when the power brakes loose vaccuum from a hard brake and it is back to manual) - all good with a larger ABS vac reservoir.

A RAV4 has been a perfect match for my needs (ie small SUV to carry hockey stuff, kids etc, AWD in winter etc.) - that said it does not have the cool factor. It is a good daily driver, but for the amount of cost/effort to convert, make 100% sure that it is the correct vehicle for you. My 2001 has been updated with a touchscreen, android head unit etc.. but it is still a 20 year old vehicle - if you can find something newer it would be better. A lot of money to convert, so using a newer donor would make sense. I dont think they still make standard transmissions in newer RAV4s (at least not available in Canada) - manual transmissions are a lot more popular in the UK so hopefully you can find one.

All the best on your conversion - make sure to add a build thread!

Garth
 

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Oh-oh - big problem! Which motor will fit?

Oh-oh - big problem...

Look at these pictures - top view:


Manual transmission is on the right, AWD transfer case (top) bolts to the transmission, and has a rear drive shaft exiting toward the vehicle rear (not shown).

and side view (zoomed in):



The manual transmission bell housing is plenty wide, but the transfer case (remember, this is AWD with a transverse motor mount) sticks out and really limits how big of a motor can fit.

I was hoping to build a rocket, and maybe use a Warp 11 or Warp 11 HV motor, but this clearly is out of the question. My fallback was to settle for a Warp 9, however even this is questionable.

The Warp 9 diameter is 9.25" - I have just enough room for 4", 19/32, equals 9.1875".

This is too close to call - can anyone confirm that the Warp 9 is exactly 9.25" diameter?

I thought about pounding in the differential cover on the transfer case, but it looks like some sort of composite and probably will not bend nicely...

Now I know why no-one converts AWD (and here I thought it was just the wasted range).

Any ideas?
A Nissan LEAF EM57 motor is very small and compact. Not sure if it will fit nicely in there with the t-case however. There is a lot of aluminum casting that could be cut off to slim it down also. See the photos below:







 

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A Nissan LEAF EM57 motor is very small and compact. Not sure if it will fit nicely in there with the t-case however. There is a lot of aluminum casting that could be cut off to slim it down also. See the photos below:







That wouldn't clear the transfer case unfortunately, the max was around 8" but you could build a tunnel to move the motor over if the motor were short enough, though I don't believe a Leaf motor is.

I've wanted to convert a Rav4 for years though I'd go twin motor for AWD but if I kept the trans I'd fit something like a VW GTE electric motor inside the bell housing in a water cooled housing, no clutch and probably only keep 2nd and 4th gear, reduce resistance etc in the gearbox. But there a fair bit of machining work.

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That wouldn't clear the transfer case unfortunately, the max was around 8" but you could build a tunnel to move the motor over if the motor were short enough, though I don't believe a Leaf motor is.

I've wanted to convert a Rav4 for years though I'd go twin motor for AWD but if I kept the trans I'd fit something like a VW GTE electric motor inside the bell housing in a water cooled housing, no clutch and probably only keep 2nd and 4th gear, reduce resistance etc in the gearbox. But there a fair bit of machining work.

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Tyler
Thanks Electric Land Cruiser for posting the pictures. Now I know it's not too long and I can run reduction gears between the motor and transmission. Which will push the motor over enough to clear the transfer case. Thankfully I work in a shop with machining capability.

Tyler, removing unnecessary parts from transmission is possible? I was thinking that way also. As for motor choice the used EV selection is limited in Canada. We have only had Leaf and Tesla for any length of time, most of the others didn't have a presence here until recently. I want to use an existing EV system for reliability and hopefully simplicity. For the money I have to put into this I could have bought a compliance Rav4EV from California back in 2019, but no AWD. Current RavEV prices are ridiculous for a 10 year old car. But we don't do this for saving money do we, it's for the challenge.
 

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Thanks Electric Land Cruiser for posting the pictures. Now I know it's not too long and I can run reduction gears between the motor and transmission. Which will push the motor over enough to clear the transfer case. Thankfully I work in a shop with machining capability.

Tyler, removing unnecessary parts from transmission is possible? I was thinking that way also. As for motor choice the used EV selection is limited in Canada. We have only had Leaf and Tesla for any length of time, most of the others didn't have a presence here until recently. I want to use an existing EV system for reliability and hopefully simplicity. For the money I have to put into this I could have bought a compliance Rav4EV from California back in 2019, but no AWD. Current RavEV prices are ridiculous for a 10 year old car. But we don't do this for saving money do we, it's for the challenge.
@94Tracker I'm very curious of your plans, would you mind starting your own thread so we don't pollute Mr gdirwin's thread here? Love to chat with you there.

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