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I'll be upfront, Electricity4Gas is one of the Clickbank products I promote, but I am also a hybrid/electric vehicle fan from way back. Before they became hip I was always dreaming about building one of these cars. I haven't built one yet but the way the global economy is going I believe this is one way people can save money and contribute to saving the environment and solving the energy crisis. Peak oil is coming, probably is already here, and electric cars are one way of using sustainable, renewable energy after we either run out of oil or it just gets too expensive because of the supply/demand curve.

By the way, I am not some multi-millionaire internet marketer, just a regular guy who thinks it might be a good idea to try and make some pocket money on the internet by providing useful information to people. The Electricity4Gas manual comes with 6 bonus automotive-related ebooks, so you get a total of 7 ebooks for $49.97, not a huge hit on the wallet.

But the purpose of this post is that I am curious if anyone has actually purchased and read the Electricity4Gas manual, does it provide useful information in your opinion, can you give a critique? For example has anyone here managed to build an electric vehicle for less than $300 using the Electricity4Gas manual ? Does it represent value for money?

Looking forward to your posts...
 

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Sorry mate, but I have gotten all my answers right here on this forum. It is a great place with great people who are more than willing to share their knowledge. I love this place. You might try and ask Gav at www.kiwiev.com to see if you can help him. No, wait, scratch that. Gav is writing his own book, never mind. And he has a set of DVDs for $15 which is not a huge hit on the wallet either. Well, maybe someone else can take advantage of your offer.

Best wishes.

Eric
 

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I'm afraid its true. Most of the info you are likely to offer can be found for free on this and other forums like it.

Your claim of building a usable EV for $300 has alarm bells going off in the back of my head. Why do I get the feeling that if I were to ask how that was possible, that you would tell me to buy your product?

Thats generally not what this forum is all about, but I am a little curious to see if anyone has actually seen your material and what they have to say.
 

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Sorry mate, but I have gotten all my answers right here on this forum. It is a great place with great people who are more than willing to share their knowledge. I love this place. You might try and ask Gav at www.kiwiev.com to see if you can help him. No, wait, scratch that. Gav is writing his own book, never mind. And he has a set of DVDs for $15 which is not a huge hit on the wallet either. Well, maybe someone else can take advantage of your offer.

Best wishes.

Eric
Yes Eric! you're right mate! I'm currently nailing out the finer points of an ebook & videos which I'll be selling to get Kiwi EV 2 on the road.
I'm working with a guy in Europe who's done this sort of marketing/publishing stuff before so all I have to do is write the content and make the videos.
Wow, it really does sound easy when it's said like that... :eek:

The KiwiEV DVDs are always for sale but they're not terribly informative and mainly just for fun - at that early EV stage I was still a kitten in a world of sausages. Hmm. I'm not sure what that means.

Basically I was out of my depth at the time. Done lots and lots and lots and lots of researching in the meantime though to get my EV knowlege up to the task of an ebook.
This isn't a sales pitch (there's a time & place for all that) but I've really tried hard to translate everything from calculating wattage to motor/gearbox adapters into easy and understandable English with lots of pictures. It's really aimed at first time converters with a gazillion questions, and we've all been there.

Nothing ventured... Ahh, I forget the rest. :D
 

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...For example has anyone here managed to build an electric vehicle for less than $300 using the Electricity4Gas manual ? Does it represent value for money? ...
Survey says:

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=47134


You may want to pitch this scam to a less savvy audience. Try the HHO and OverUnity crackpots - it's a lot easier to pry money out of their wallets.

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I tried HHO once:( Made on up more out of curiousity than anything else.
 

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I tried HHO once:( Made on up more out of curiousity than anything else.
Aw, I didn't mean it quite like that... it's one thing to try these sorts of ideas out to see if they work for yourself; it's quite another to delude yourself into seeing fantastic results that just aren't there then go and convert other people to the cause like you've just found religion, etc...
 

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Its ok, I was just being funny (or trying). No offence was taken. I certainly wouldn't pay some one else for such ideas or products.
 

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A quick google search gave me this picture:

http://hhogeneratorkits.com/vacuum.jpg

Water4Gas? Electricity4Gas?

I am very disappointed that these two things are even getting put into the same boat. Kind of an insult to everyone here if you ask me..
 

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For example has anyone here managed to build an electric vehicle for less than $300 using the Electricity4Gas manual ? Does it represent value for money?

Looking forward to your posts...
I built my chopper for $25 using the "seat of my pants" manual, this forum , the EVDL and a number of other net resources. Keep in mind that I own my own machine shop and had people interested in my project GIVE me stuff. Purchasing your manual would have tripled the cost of my build;).

IMHO if you can build a streetworthy car for $300, you will definitely need to remove the horseshoe before you can sit in it comfortably:D

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Your claim of building a usable EV for $300 has alarm bells going off in the back of my head.
Me too. I poo-pooed the idea of a $300 EV in the ebook. I think I wrote that yes in theory an EV for $300 is possible, but it'd have the speed & performance of a ride-on lawn mower.

And I mean a ride on lawn mower like this:




Aaaand not one like this:


I hope I won't get in trouble for saying that but if you guys put your name on something you'd want it to be ethical & accurate in the real world too.
 

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I couldn't even build my *e-bike* for $300 if I did it by buying what I want on it. The battery pack alone would cost me at least that much for a short-range pack! The motors I'd like to get are again at least that much, and the controllers are at least half that. Not even counting the bike itself, which (if a commercially-made one like it existed) would cost at least a thousand.

I think that if I went out and bought even just the parts I am already using on it, with a powerchair motor and a pair of powerchair SLA batteries, plus the 2QD controller, various bike parts, frames, etc, I would have spent at least $1000, and probably closer to twice that, and that's assuming I build the bike from scratch like I already have.

BTW, here's a bit more discussion about the OP's scam:
http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-td19470461
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I would very much like to be proven wrong about a $300 EV (wouldn't we all!!). Just don't think it will happen.

Still waiting for proof of perpetual motion too (among other things).:D
 

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I would very much like to be proven wrong about a $300 EV (wouldn't we all!!). Just don't think it will happen.

Still waiting for proof of perpetual motion too (among other things).:D
Yeh, me too, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics pretty much kills the perpetual motion thing.

But a $300 EV - only possible if we ditch the addiction to spending money that our society has drilled into us since - well since we got over the last Great Depression - but since we're practically in another one now how about we get resourceful again...

I haven't read the ebook myself, but from what I gather from some similar e-books I've read, they would use spent deep-cycle lead-acid golf-kart batteries which you can get for free and then refurbish them - that's your battery problem solved. You prefer lithium-ion batteries because they're lighter? Well fine then you have to be prepared to pay for them. Which to me defeats the purpose of a DIY electric car which is primarily to save money.

As for the rest of it, well I think that pretty much boils down to simplicity, ingenuity and hard work when it comes to sourcing parts and building the vehicle. Plus a fair bit of knowledge about how to make the thing work.

Here's a question which someone may be able to answer: are there electric motors out there which can take a car from rest to say 100km/h without any gearbox being involved AND act as generators for regenerative braking? It seems to me that if you could install four of those on a car you could eliminate the weight of the differential, gearbox and clutch as well as a whole host of other things like fuel tank, radiator, internal combustion engine etc, which would partially compensate for the extra weight of the lead-acid batteries, not to mention free up some space under the bonnet and in the space vacated by the fuel tank for said batteries. Of course you'd need a fairly sophisticated controller to compensate for the diff by varying the speed of each motor independently at each wheel for cornering. That would be the expensive part. Either that or you put up with the excessive tyre wear.

The other idea I had was a simple hybrid which retains a modified version of the existing petrol/diesel engine drivetrain, but substituting the above four electric motors for the diff/gearbox, and only allowing the petrol motor to kick in via a clutch at speeds in excess of 60km/h at which point the engine can cope with the lack of a gearbox. The perfect solution if you want the economy of electric for commuting and the range of a petrol engine for long trips.

Any comments?
 

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None of what you suggest can be done for anywhere near $300, unless you get most of the materials for free, which is about as likely as winning the lottery. Not to mention if anyone actually bought the book they only have $250 left for the build :rolleyes:
If anyone wants to see how to build a very cheap EV all they have to do is google "forkenswift", and that's free.
 

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I haven't read the ebook myself, but from what I gather from some similar e-books I've read, ..............


Any comments?

Actually, I have a question. How do you justify promoting (or rationallizing the usefulness of) a book that you haven't even read?

Delete the spam links from your sig if you're serious about discussing this $300 improbability. Otherwise come join us on the "unique electric car" thread. Tom can show you how to build one for $100K;).

Later,
Keith
 

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For the record, I couldn't even build my powerboard scooter for $300.

I spent over $450 on it, and it's not a car and it's not street legal.

Pray, do tell, where the hell does one find deep cycle batteries for free, and how the hell do you "refurbish" them?

Last I checked, battery "refurbishing" required stripping them down, recycling the components, adding new materials and manufacturing them new, not something the average joe can do in their garage.

The AGM's in the scooter cost me $120. The Motor and controller cost me $189. Those were the only triple-digit items on the ledger for that project, neither one was something readily available for free, let alone used and in need of refurbishment.

I'm not trying to tell you that you're not doing some good for the cause, but what you've proposed is downright implausible. You may find it easier to make headway with your project if you became a reseller for Gav's books and videos, since those prove a real-world scenario, and are based on reality.
 
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