[ragnar]

Ok. so I´m thinking about building an EV some time but first i am going to look at all the possibilities have..

I live in Iceland and it can get from -20°c up to 30°c heat..

so what kind of batteries is best for me if i´m thinking about maybe 200-300hp motor,how many batteries do i need and how many volts and how far can i go on the charge and how long is the lifetime of the battery it self.?

Hope to get some good answers.

Best Regents Ragnar..

 

[jockepocke]

LiFe batteries should work good in that temperature range. They can last as long as 5000 cycles if you don't discharge them too deeply.

Do you really need 200-300 hp? Most people go with about 50 hp peak... 200 hp is only needed if you are dragracing etc!

But 300 hp = 224 kW, and lets say you use thundersky batteries, that can pulse 5 C current, then you will need 44,8 kWh total energy storage in your batteries (independent of your battery configuration, but higher voltage is to prefer to minimize losses). That is a huge amount of energy, and it will cost. There are batteries than can discharge far more pulse current though!

Your range will depend on car and how you drive, but I would guess about 300 Wh/km to be sure! The 44,8 kWh battery would thus take you at least 150 km, but probably further.

 

[ragnar]

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think you for your answers.. and yes i was thinking about a dragracing car.. I want to change my Renault Megane Berlingo II 2004 model into a RWD car with electric motor after maybe 3-4 years when the car will be not so expensive I think it will be a cool project and use it as a daily drive and as a track car only to play on.. so 150+km per charge is good.. but what do you mean by "They can last as long as 5000 cycles if you don't discharge them too deeply" is that I can charge them 5000 times if i don´t run them to low on volts..?


Best regents Ragnar / and a big think you jockepocke

 

[jockepocke]

think you for your answers.. and yes i was thinking about a dragracing car.. I want to change my Renault Megane Berlingo II 2004 model into a RWD car with electric motor after maybe 3-4 years when the car will be not so expensive I think it will be a cool project and use it as a daily drive and as a track car only to play on.. so 150+km per charge is good.. but what do you mean by "They can last as long as 5000 cycles if you don't discharge them too deeply" is that I can charge them 5000 times if i don´t run them to low on volts..?


Best regents Ragnar / and a big think you jockepocke

Cool, keep us updated!

It means they will last (have at least 70/80 or someting % of their energy storage left) for 5000 discharges/charges from 100% full to 30% full. If you disharge them less, they will last much longer!

Here are the numbers for some lithium batteries:
http://www.a123systems.com/a123/products

http://www.thunder-sky.com/pdf/2010723131435.pdf

http://lithiumstorage.com/images/SkyEnergy_100Ah.jpg

Oh, almost forgot! http://www.chinaheadway.com/en/productsh.asp?id=195

 

[ragnar]

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Ok, so you seem to know a bit about EV cars and stuff.. I´m just a newbie so I have been looking for parts like motor and vacume for the breaks and control for the motor.. where can i get this all is there any online shop that sells every thing that i need? and has 2-300hp motors and batteries and control´s and every thing and maybe some instructions or simple blue prints of the setup i can see or can i get blueprints somewhere on the internet? to she the wiring and the setup..?

Best Regents and thanks. Ragnar

 

[Frenchie]

I'm actually building my small electrical car... kinda looks like a golf kart, but I was able to find cheap lithium batteries here http://www.twenga.com/, and i actually have a buddy that sells batteries (electric car maker) and he was able to sell me one for a really cheap price.. I was really lucky..
What kind of car are you building?
Im building one just to pass time and especially to go travel in the back yard.. its pretty big... and my kid keep "forgetting" her toys over there so I have to walk a while to get them..
Im actually making it deep red and pink, oh yes I did say pink... its for magalie.. she likes pink... and red because her mom loves deep red.. hahhahaha
anyways hope ull find a battery! have a great day

 

[jockepocke]

Ok, so you seem to know a bit about EV cars and stuff.. I´m just a newbie so I have been looking for parts like motor and vacume for the breaks and control for the motor.. where can i get this all is there any online shop that sells every thing that i need? and has 2-300hp motors and batteries and control´s and every thing and maybe some instructions or simple blue prints of the setup i can see or can i get blueprints somewhere on the internet? to she the wiring and the setup..?

Best Regents and thanks. Ragnar

There are lists of shops in the forum, and many shops also advertise on this site.
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=80303

Searching the internet might help you find something good too!


About the wiring it is much up to you, but when you buy battery monitoring system, controller, motor, charger etc they will most likely come with wiring diagram. If you know a bit about electronics (many times what you learnt in school will take you further than you think) from before this should not be a problem! Actually the wiring in a dc-setup is simpler than many would think.

About the motor, that power might be hard to find, but with electric you can just allow more and more current to increase power, until your motor melts/burns

Many people use series wound motors for their huge torque capability, but I would recommend an AC setup if you can afford (they are more efficient and have no wearing parts) or brushless (about the same advantages). Compared to the series motor they also have the advantage of regenerative braking, which means you charge the batteries when slowing down, as the motor works as a generator. A sepex motor have higher efficiency and regen. as well, but are harder to find, especially in that power!

Buy a multimeter if you don't already have one! They come in VERY handy!

 

[jockepocke]

I'm actually building my small electrical car... kinda looks like a golf kart, but I was able to find cheap lithium batteries here http://www.twenga.com/, and i actually have a buddy that sells batteries (electric car maker) and he was able to sell me one for a really cheap price.. I was really lucky..
What kind of car are you building?
Im building one just to pass time and especially to go travel in the back yard.. its pretty big... and my kid keep "forgetting" her toys over there so I have to walk a while to get them..
Im actually making it deep red and pink, oh yes I did say pink... its for magalie.. she likes pink... and red because her mom loves deep red.. hahhahaha
anyways hope ull find a battery! have a great day

Could you link to the batteries you bought from that site? Are they working good? Is your car in the garage of this forum?

 

[jockepocke]

Been looking around just for fun, dreaming about high-tech EV-parts... found some motors you might find interesting. While they are not 200 HP, you could maybe use 2 of them:

The last one, AC-motor claims to peak efficiency at 99%

http://currentevtech.com/Drive-Systems/BLDC-Motors-and-Controllers/120KW-BLDC-Motor-and-Controller-p168.html

http://currentevtech.com/Drive-Systems/100-KW-AC-Drive-System/RMSPM100DX-100kW-3-phase-traction-motor-drive-p68.html

 

[Frenchie]

Hey, I found it here
http://www.twenga.com/dir-Supplies,Batteries
but the exact batterie the didnt have any more in stock. if you just look around you'll be able to find one. they show different batteries from different websties and prices...
noo actually my car isnt in this garage, i'll take a picture of it later and I'll put it up

 

[jockepocke]

Thanks! I'll be checking the garage!