Best Reputable Company for Racing Motors...

major

· #2 · Oct 20, 2010

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
There is a handful of companies building EV Drag Racing motors. We have been in contact with them all, but, now its time for the public's opinion.

Strongest 11" DC Motor?
(must handle over 300v and 1000amps)

Best inline 11" DC motor "set-up"?
(need twin 11" than work well as tandam)

We have not chosen our motor supplier yet, we are still in negotiations. We are looking for the general public's view?

This seems a strange request considering

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
We are serious, spent large amounts to get the East Coast Team Developed. We will have many private tests before any official track record is recorded. Our 300ZX has more torque than the Zombie, we will be testing different rear differentials to see what ratio works best for our combo. Its all for fun, we just want the title belt. The EGO trip the West Coast Racers are on has driven many "Sponsors" to us. Most of our Sponsors are located East of the Miss River.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 20, 2010

major said:
This seems a strange request considering

We have calculated on paper what is needed to beat Zombies record. We have many motor companies that produce 11" that will work. We are just looking for opinions. You can keep "attacking" ECEDRA at every post, we will not stoop to your level.

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major

· #4 · Oct 20, 2010

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
We have calculated on paper what is needed to beat Zombies record. We have many motor companies that produce 11" that will work. We are just looking for opinions.

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
Our 300ZX has more torque than the Zombie,

Oh, so what you meant to say was that you think you might be able to better Zombie if you can find a motor.

You can keep "attacking" ECEDRA at every post, we will not stoop to your level.

Works for me

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 20, 2010

major said:
Oh, so what you meant to say was that you think you might be able to better Zombie if you can find a motor.

Works for me

Watch and learn my friend. The 2011 Season will be full of new records.

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esoneson

· #6 · Oct 20, 2010

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
There is a handful of companies building EV Drag Racing motors. We have been in contact with them all, but, now its time for the public's opinion.

Strongest 11" DC Motor?
(must handle over 300v and 1000amps)

Best inline 11" DC motor "set-up"?
(need twin 11" than work well as tandam)

We have not chosen our motor supplier yet, we are still in negotiations. We are looking for the general public's view?

I must admit that asking the public for their opinion on a forum of do-it-yourself-ers does not compliment either your expertise nor your market research abilities.

Mr Wayland went through several iterations of motor/controller/battery try-outs and accumulated knowledge through multiple failures and successes. And you introduce yourself by boasting that your 300ZX has more torque than the White Zombie............and conveniently didn't finish the sentence.........'on paper'.

At the moment you present yourself as a scam artist. And I will admit I don't know you or your company other than what you have said here in this forum.

What you have said so far and your attitude leads me to think that, more than likely, your whole organization and business is on paper. If you wish to gain the confidence and then the opinion of the folks on this forum, perhaps you should enlighten us on some of the doubts that you have raised.

I'm all for capitalism and making a buck, so why not give it another shot and explain yourself a little more fully. You see, I'd like the answers to some of those questions myself........a do-it-yourself-er.

Eric

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Discussion Starter · #7 · Oct 20, 2010

major said:
Oh, so what you meant to say was that you think you might be able to better Zombie if you can find a motor.

Works for me

We have an EV Car Show next month, my garage will be open to the public, take the trip. You can view (in person) all our new EV Racing Toys I am building for the 2011 Season. Did I mention I build bikes also? I currently own a Chopper Guys 240 MegaWide Softail with a TP 124" engine. The bike cost me $45,000 just in parts. I am building an EV version Harley to add to the Lithiumaniacs Racing Team. The bike will not be completed until July, 2011.

Our address:
770 Newfield Street
Middletown, CT 06457
call and visit 860-301-6813

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 20, 2010

esoneson said:
I must admit that asking the public for their opinion on a forum of do-it-yourself-ers does not compliment either your expertise nor your market research abilities.

Mr Wayland went through several iterations of motor/controller/battery try-outs and accumulated knowledge through multiple failures and successes. And you introduce yourself by boasting that your 300ZX has more torque than the White Zombie............and conveniently didn't finish the sentence.........'on paper'.

At the moment you present yourself as a scam artist. And I will admit I don't know you or your company other than what you have said here in this forum.

What you have said so far and your attitude leads me to think that, more than likely, your whole organization and business is on paper. If you wish to gain the confidence and then the opinion of the folks on this forum, perhaps you should enlighten us on some of the doubts that you have raised.

I'm all for capitalism and making a buck, so why not give it another shot and explain yourself a little more fully. You see, I'd like the answers to some of those questions myself........a do-it-yourself-er.

Eric

Wow, you guys are tough!

We already know what is available and what our choice most likely will be for motors. We just like to get opinions, what is wrong with asking an opinion? I regards to us being the "real deal", my friend I am the owner of:
www.GeoMetricMoving.com
What I make in one month most make in one year. Our Association has done more in the past month for the East Coast than NEDRA has done in 10 years. Our address is on out website, feel free to stop by and see us in action.
www.ECEDRA.com

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major

· #9 · Oct 20, 2010

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
I regards to us being the "real deal", my friend I am the owner of:
www.GeoMetricMoving.com
What I make in one month most make in one year. Our Association has done more in the past month for the East Coast than NEDRA has done in 10 years. Our address is on out website, feel free to stop by and see us in action.
www.ECEDRA.com

O.K. So the way I read this is that you are the sanctioning head and also a team owner. That always works well.

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 20, 2010

major said:
O.K. So the way I read this is that you are the sanctioning head and also a team owner. That always works well.

I am the sanctioning head and also one of the team owners. Does not NEDRA board members race in their own events? Your attitude is getting boring, have a wonderful night.

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major

· #11 · Oct 20, 2010

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
I am the sanctioning head and also one of the team owners. Does not NEDRA board members race in their own events? Your attitude is getting boring, have a wonderful night.

NEDRA does have a board and some do race. True. But I think that board is elected by membership each year (or maybe two). Currently:

NEDRA Board Members

President - Mike Willmon
Vice President - Roderick Wilde
Treasurer - Mike Willmon (acting)
Membership Director - Marissa Wayland
Public Relations Director/Webmaster - Chip Gribben
Technical Director - Ken Koch
Northwest Regional Director - Jim Husted
Southwest Regional Director - Brian Hall
Midwest Regional Director - Darin Gilbert
Northeast Regional Director - Chip Gribben
Southeast Regional Director - Matt Graham

How did your appointment to sanctioning head come about?

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etischer

· #12 · Oct 20, 2010 (Edited)

I get some furniture moving website when I click your link. Why are you so insistant on people "seeing you in action", can you just make a video or post pictures? This would be more effective.

It seems you are the one on an ego trip

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
Wow, you guys are tough!
I regards to us being the "real deal", my friend I am the owner of:
www.GeoMetricMoving.com
What I make in one month most make in one year. Our Association has done more in the past month for the East Coast than NEDRA has done in 10 years. Our address is on out website, feel free to stop by and see us in action.
www.ECEDRA.com

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Bowser330

· #13 · Oct 20, 2010

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
There is a handful of companies building EV Drag Racing motors. We have been in contact with them all, but, now its time for the public's opinion.

Strongest 11" DC Motor?
(must handle over 300v and 1000amps)

Best inline 11" DC motor "set-up"?
(need twin 11" than work well as tandam)

We have not chosen our motor supplier yet, we are still in negotiations. We are looking for the general public's view?

Its pretty clear that, at the moment, the Warp11HV is the strongest and most capable 11" motor on the market. It can handle 300+V *advanced*.

If its possible, and you have the funds, I would create a single shaft for the dual Warp11HV motors, it would shorten the entire setup and be more robust to handle all the torque and power...

wouldnt be cheap though, a single warp11HV is 3500$, so that's 7K$ without the custom work for the single shaft...dual soliton1's would be interesting...if you can't wait for the BigSol...

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Oct 20, 2010

etischer said:
I get some furniture moving website when I click your link. Why are you so insistant on people "seeing you in action", can you just make a video or post pictures? This would be more effective.

It seems you are the one on an ego trip

If I am spending thousands and thousands of dollars of my own funds to sanction racing on the East Coast, how am I on an "ego trip". The reason for posting my business link was to verify that I do have the funding to complete the mission.

Have a wonderful day!

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Discussion Starter · #15 · Oct 20, 2010

Bowser330 said:
Its pretty clear that, at the moment, the Warp11HV is the strongest and most capable 11" motor on the market. It can handle 300+V *advanced*.

If its possible, and you have the funds, I would create a single shaft for the dual Warp11HV motors, it would shorten the entire setup and be more robust to handle all the torque and power...

wouldnt be cheap though, a single warp11HV is 3500$, so that's 7K$ without the custom work for the single shaft...dual soliton1's would be interesting...if you can't wait for the BigSol...

Thank you for an honest and on topic answer!

We are considering Netgain, Kostov and a few others than produce electric motors for industry that are looking to get into the EV arena.
In regards to the controller, we have purchased the Soliton 1 for our 3000GT. We are waiting for the "bigSol" for our 300ZX.

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etischer

· #16 · Oct 20, 2010 (Edited)

LOL, owning a furniture moving business makes you "the real deal" in the EV drag racing world =)
Innovation is just as important as having cash.

If you're trying to compete with the Zombie, you might consider a lighter chassis. 300ZX and 3000GT aren't as light as a 510.

LithiumaniacsEVRacing said:
If I am spending thousands and thousands of dollars of my own funds to sanction racing on the East Coast, how am I on an "ego trip". The reason for posting my business link was to verify that I do have the funding to complete the mission.

Have a wonderful day!

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efan

· #17 · Oct 20, 2010

it has already been seen and proven what a twin 9" motors can do..by the zombies' experience and the ford pinto, we have seen some on twin 11" by crodriver, and Jack will be installing a pair in his Escalade project...since you have the funding, I suggest you go up the lather and consider twin 13"

(that's just a thought I dont really have experience)

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DIYguy

· #18 · Oct 20, 2010

efan said:
it has already been seen and proven what a twin 9" motors can do..by the zombies' experience and the ford pinto, we have seen some on twin 11" by crodriver, and Jack will be installing a pair in his Escalade project...since you have the funding, I suggest you go up the lather and consider twin 13" (that's just a thought I dont really have experience)

I often thought that twin 9" motors were selected for some of the racing applications because of their higher RPM capability. Obviously the 11 or 13" motors will have more low end torque... but will their rpm limit cause them to be less effective over the later stages of the 1/4 mile?

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toddshotrods

· #19 · Oct 20, 2010 (Edited)

DIYguy said:
I often thought that twin 9" motors were selected for some of the racing applications because of their higher RPM capability. Obviously the 11 or 13" motors will have more low end torque... but will their rpm limit cause them to be less effective over the later stages of the 1/4 mile?

Nope, you can gear higher (lower numerical gearing ratio) because of the higher torque. Even with the siamese 9s Wayland has had to drop to a 3.50 (I think). Lawless runs nearly 180mph with Berube's old 13 in the bike. The real keys to electric drag racing are keeping the weight down, and getting enough battery.

KillaCycle - 800-ish pounds/A123 pack/dual 7"(?) = high 7s
Current Eliminator - 1200-ish pounds/Altairno(sp?) pack/single 11" = high 7s
Rocket - 1000-ish pounds/A123 pack/single 13" = mid 7s
Zombie - 2200-2400-ish pounds/Kokam pack/dual 9" = low 10s

The type of motor configuration doesn't seem to matter as much as getting the weight down and getting some powerful cells.

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DIYguy

· #20 · Oct 20, 2010

Thanks Todd.

You're right about the weight and battery for sure.

That's a given. I'm not sure I'm convinced though.

I understand gearing and torque... is there a trade off with rpm and changing gears though? Does Wayland use a transmission? (seriously, I never looked ..lol) I think he could have built siamese 11's or siamese 13's and put in the same light car if he wanted? hmmmm makes me wonder. I mean diesels make gobs of torque... but u don't see them eating up the track.... low rrrr's..? Maybe I shouldn't think out loud.

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