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I've been saying on this forum for years that batteries and solar are on an exponential decline, and that by 2025 solar + batteries will be cheaper than anything else for energy. Probably sooner.

Not going to happen my friend. Batteries of any kind price is a multiple of the Energy source to make that battery.

Well as we have all learned and not talked about is even Lithium batteries have a negative EROI meaning it takes more energy to make the battery that it ever provide the user over its life time.

Batteries are just like hydrogen gas. They are energy carries, not fuel sources. That means any energy coming form a carrier is a waste of energy robbing your children's future. and would be better utilized if you just used the fuel that was used to make the carrier. Again hydrogen comes from natural gas and is only 60% efficient. 10 units of energy input, and 6 units out. Leaving you with 4 lost units of energy forever. You are better off and cost less to just burn the natural gas to start with.

More good intentions with unintentional consequences. As of today and I speak professionally. Anything you take off-grid is going to cost you 5 to 10 times more than buying it from the POCO the rest of your life. Not only are you paying more than you have to, but also become a heavy polluter. It took a lot of energy to make those batteries you cannot recover.

Only way to make Hydrogen and Batteries work is using cheap reliable round the clock using nuclear power, followed by hydro. Wind is about break even, and solar is a loss of EROI.

 

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Um, are you saying that all battery manufacturers are currently operating at a loss, and always have been? It's all some kind of plot to confuse us?

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? The battery manufactures are not operating at a loss, it is the customer foolishness that is taking a loss.

Any battery has a negative EROI. If you do not know what that means, it means the battery took more energy to make, then it will supply over its life time. Example put 10 units of energy into making the battery, but over its lifetime will only give you 6 units of energy. You robed the future of 4 units of energy.

Not that it matters to you or the customer, but what does matter or should matter is cost. Example buy a battery, it cost $1000. After a few years it dies and needs replaced. At end of life it provided you $200 worth of electricity if bought from your local power company. You paid 500% more than you had to.

So in the end, whatever you take off grid means you paid a lot more than necessary, and a much larger carbon footprint.

So no the battery manufactures are not loosing money, they are making a fortune off ignorance. The user is the one getting screwed from their own ignorance.