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I'm happy to present you the Electric Car Market Overview.
My intention was to create a useful and simple tool that gives you a birds-eye view of the market.
It is available to anyone free of charge. https://evcompare.io/market/

The EV Market Overview looks like this:


How to use it?
1. Choose the cars you want to compare or analyze the entire market. You have a whole set of filters at your disposal. Filter by body style, price, make, status, drive type and DC charging capability.
2. Select the specs to be shown on each axis. The following options are available: Range, Battery pack capacity, Acceleration, Engine Power, Engine Torque and Efficiency.
3. Watch how do different electric models compare on your custom chart and discover interesting interrelations and trends.
4. Hover on a car to see more info. Click on it to go to the model page, which contains a detailed description, high-quality photos, video reviews, safety ratings and Disqus widget to share your impression with other EV Compare users.

Interesting observations
1. Range and battery pack capacity are closely related (what a surprise). But look how far the Tesla Roadster concept has gone!


2. There is only a slight correlation between range and MSRP. So the higher price does not necessarily mean greater range. What’s more, there is a noticeable gap in the middle, which signifies a lack of mid-range EVs.


3. Another important thing to mention is the inverse relationship between battery pack size and efficiency. It is more visible among high-end EVs.


4.Tesla's superiority is clear. No matter what specs you choose, Tesla models are always on the top forcing other automakers to catch up.


All in all, playing with the chart gives food for thought. Have you noticed anything remarkable? Share it with the EV community :)

Your feedback (questions, comments or suggestions) will be appreciated.
 

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Your screenshots are like, 3x the dimensions they need to be in this thread. It makes it nearly unreadable.

Your chart shows that a Tesla S 85 can be purchased for under $9k? But a Tesla S 60 costs $24k?
 

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Your screenshots are like, 3x the dimensions they need to be in this thread. It makes it nearly unreadable.
This is a common problem in this forum, because for some reason it does not implement the auto-resizing found in other forums using the same software (vBulletin).
 

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Your screenshots are like, 3x the dimensions they need to be in this thread. It makes it nearly unreadable.

Your chart shows that a Tesla S 85 can be purchased for under $9k? But a Tesla S 60 costs $24k?
Thanks for your feedback. I'll try to do something with the images. The lowest "used" price is automatically uploaded from Ebay. And thanks to you, we have found a bug that sometimes distorted the price. Will be fixed in a few days.
 

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Good work :)

The set of categories of vehicle types is missing "pickup truck". Some limited-production electric pickups have been built (for many years), and more are coming. Since this is a functionally distinct category, it should be available.

It could use a "select all" feature for manufacturers, so it would be practical to select all then exclude specific manufacturers; that makes it easier to compare one brand to the rest of the world.

The regional versions (listed under "New features coming soon") will be good. If someone is actually shopping (not just interested in the technology), local availability is crucial. This could be a challenge, though: although there are several EVs which are theoretically available in Canada, only the Nissan Leaf and the various Teslas can be actually purchased in the province of Alberta. For instance, the Chevrolet Bolt is common in Ontario, but Chevrolet dealer sales staff here have never seen one, and some have never even heard of it.
 

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Interesting observations
1. Range and battery pack capacity are closely related (what a surprise). But look how far the Tesla Roadster concept has gone!
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4.Tesla's superiority is clear. No matter what specs you choose, Tesla models are always on the top forcing other automakers to catch up.
No, but there are two things which are actually going on here...
  • Tesla promises stuff which they don't build (such as the Roadster), getting fictional data points into the comparison
  • Telsa uses large battery packs, corresponding to their high prices
I get that there are dedicated Tesla fans, but they get annoying after a while. For instance, the chart showing the roadster as an extreme outlier is filtered to exclude the Rivian products, making the proposed Roadster look like some sort of achievement. The Rivian SUV and pickup have only 10% less energy capacity than the Roadster, and achieve 2/3rds of the range despite being large and functional vehicles rather than a two-seat toy.
 

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They claim to...
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True, the coming Tesla Roadster and both Rivian models are just promises, not reality. If only real vehicles are to be compared, then both 'Announced' and 'Available for pre-order' statuses need to be filtered out.
 

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Good work :)

The set of categories of vehicle types is missing "pickup truck". Some limited-production electric pickups have been built (for many years), and more are coming. Since this is a functionally distinct category, it should be available.

It could use a "select all" feature for manufacturers, so it would be practical to select all then exclude specific manufacturers; that makes it easier to compare one brand to the rest of the world.

The regional versions (listed under "New features coming soon") will be good. If someone is actually shopping (not just interested in the technology), local availability is crucial. This could be a challenge, though: although there are several EVs which are theoretically available in Canada, only the Nissan Leaf and the various Teslas can be actually purchased in the province of Alberta. For instance, the Chevrolet Bolt is common in Ontario, but Chevrolet dealer sales staff here have never seen one, and some have never even heard of it.
Thanks for useful suggestions.
Pickups will be added by the end of the week.
The "Select All" button for Makes is a good idea, we're already working on that.
Regional versions are just a question of time and resources. We are willing to become international, but not at the expense of data accuracy. After the US version becomes economically viable, we'll be able to cover other markets (Canada, EU, SA — top priority).
 

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No, but there are two things which are actually going on here...
  • Tesla promises stuff which they don't build (such as the Roadster), getting fictional data points into the comparison
  • Telsa uses large battery packs, corresponding to their high prices
I get that there are dedicated Tesla fans, but they get annoying after a while. For instance, the chart showing the roadster as an extreme outlier is filtered to exclude the Rivian products, making the proposed Roadster look like some sort of achievement. The Rivian SUV and pickup have only 10% less energy capacity than the Roadster, and achieve 2/3rds of the range despite being large and functional vehicles rather than a two-seat toy.
Well, we are not promoting Tesla with our website. It just happens that Tesla is still leading and pushing the EV market forward. Some of their promises miss the deadlines, but finally become reality (i.e. $35k Model 3). If it weren't for Tesla, would Rivian still be there? :)
BTW, if you go to the Tesla Roadster page there is a special disclaimer:
"This electric vehicle is a concept. Therefore all the specs for this model are estimates and may change when the production starts."
 

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Well, we are not promoting Tesla with our website. It just happens that Tesla is still leading and pushing the EV market forward. Some of their promises miss the deadlines, but finally become reality (i.e. $35k Model 3).
Sure, years after General Motors built the similar-spec Bolt and sold it for less.

My comment was just about filtering out the Rivian to make the Tesla Roadster look better. All of the examples have some Manufacturer filtering in effect - for no apparent good reason - and what is being filtered out is not shown. The site itself (database and tools) does not have any manufacturer bias, as far as I can see. :)

If it weren't for Tesla, would Rivian still be there? :)
Yes, someone else would have built the first popular high-priced EVs of the modern era. If it were not for GM (and the EV-1) demonstrating that an electric car could be a desirable vehicle when built adequate battery cells became available (from Panasonic and others), would Tesla be there? ;)

The current EV market is not the creation of any one company.

BTW, if you go to the Tesla Roadster page there is a special disclaimer:
"This electric vehicle is a concept. Therefore all the specs for this model are estimates and may change when the production starts."
That's why my response to the comment about "claimed" range was to exclude "available for pre-order" vehicles if looking for real data. Tesla will happily take your money to reserve a spot for a vehicle which is not in production, and may never enter production.
 

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The only reason why there is no Rivian on the screenshots is that they had been taken before we added R1S and R1T to our website.
We are happy to see any new 100% electric model enter the market regardless of its make. The more the better. GM is currently working on a few prototypes, we'll add them as soon as they provide more info.
I personally think that the Tesla Roadster will be delivered with the claimed range of 600+ miles albeit with a 1-2 year delay.
Anyway, thanks for your support and criticism. It's crucial for us as the website is still in development.
 
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