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I did look through (no audio, 2X speed, skipping ahead)
Just FYI, I installed "Video Speed Controller" add-on. It lets you speed up videos as much as you want (unlike Youtube that maxes at 2x and requires you to click several times to do it), though the audio dies above 4x.

Also it has hotkeys so you can adjust speed on the fly. S for slower, D for faster. Bumps it up 33% each time.

I can't live without it on Youtube. After a year, almost everything gets watched at 2x minimum, and if they speak clearly, 3-4x. If there's no narration, just music or audio (like a lot of restoration videos have), I'm at 4x minimum. Surprisingly, a 1 hour unnarrated video crushed into 15 minutes is almost tolerable.
 

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When I was looking at the pics of the frame and watching the video, I was thinking "Is that how that works? That doesn't seem to make sense. But, what do I know..."

Remy's explanation makes a lot of sense.

Like, on the previous image... I don't even understand why most of the tubes are there or what they're supposed to do.

The place where the suspension bolts to the frame on the right, the tubes that come out of that, off to the side, the ones that look like the crossed legs of a 4 year old who has to pee... is that going to transfer the load properly? Or just untwist?

Where do they transfer the load to? The middle of the cross tube up top?

What about the little brace thing between the two crossed legs. Why is it there? What load is it helping to support? It's strong in the direction of the two legs bending inward at the middle... but I can't see how there would ever be any load from that place in that direction.

I can't say I'd have done any better, but, if I was starting out with a suspension and then adding frame tubes around it, I don't know if I'd really have any of those tubes.
 

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Thanks friends for the comments. I will go through a couple of my thoughts, then I would like to explore more of the concerns. It is never too late to make a good decision.
I almost missed the PDF you posted.

Did you mean to post that text in your post?

It does add some context as to why you made the decisions you did, but I'm not sure what you ended up with is strong in the way it has to be.

When I look at the way you changed the bracing, it looks like you've changed where the stresses are directed, in a bad way.

That said, Brian makes a good point in that, it doesn't have to be optimal, it just has to work. It might be both significantly weaker and heavier than it needs to be, but, as long as it's not too weak or too heavy, oh well. If you've worked out the design with FEA and it said it's strong enough, it's probably strong enough (just, heavier than it could be).

Because you're building a supercar and doing such a nice job of everything else, I'm leaning a bit towards thinking you'd probably want to rethink and rebuild this (and this, if anything).

Also I should mention that I haven't really commented at all but I appreciate that you're documenting the build so well. I've enjoyed watching, just haven't had much to say or contribute.
 

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That "manual". Wow. It was generous of you to stay so positive and upbeat, but, jeez. What a joke. (First 6 minutes of video).

That's utterly unprofessional and unacceptable.

First, that it took them months to send you a digital manual. Versus, having it available on the website before you even purchase. Or, at least giving you the link the second you made the purchase.

Second, that it's not even a manual. And that the videos don't even have audio.

The level of not-giving-a-shit from them is staggering. This is some night-before middle-school project level of half-assing something to just barely not fail a class. Or, more like, something due at the start of the year that's so late it doesn't matter anymore but if they don't turn it in before summer they're going to need to take summer school.

Like, how hard would it have been to have someone write a script, sit down, and do a voiceover for each video? At least just to talk and narrate what they're doing.

No assembly instructions or torque specs is embarrassing. Really. They should be ashamed that they sold you this "kit".

When you start a project, you have an idea in your head of what a "kit" is and what you'll be expecting when you order. For most people that's a reasonable expectation that they could follow instructions to get a finished product if they had the right tools and materials and put the effort in.

That is not what you got.

What you got is a "Grandpa had an idea and tried to work on this back in the 50s. Pieces are scattered all over the barn, we don't know what he was trying to do. Here's a sketch of what he wanted it to look like. I wish he was still around to help you with it" kind of project.

Kudos to you for getting everything done that you have so far without even labels on the parts.

I'd have been calling the place daily and demanding the documentation. What possible excuse could there be? And with this being all they had available, I think I would've just asked for a refund.

I admire your persistence.
 

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Ridiculous.

What a bunch of losers.

I know the conversation isn't really active here, but, I would take that a sign that there's just not many questions to ask since you're doing such a good job sharing what you're up to. I look forward to your weekly updates and I doubt I'm alone.
 

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Seeing how you're connecting the cooling plates... just thermal grease across like, 4 square feet of contact area...



I'm skeptical if you have enough clamping force to actually usefully create a decent enough thermal connection between the battery modules at the plate.

I'd think you'd need some long bolts at least between or around each battery pack and some decent boltdown force to hold them in contact.

If you think about how much contact force there is on just a CPU headsink clamp, for 4 square inches, there's no way you have 144 times that for the 144x the surface area you're dealing with.

It's one of those things that isn't a problem unless it's a problem, and batteries makes the most heat when being fast charged, but, you've got this giant radiator to cool them, kind of a waste if they're not actually able to pull a lot of heat off.
 

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One of the reasons that I am applying the thermal paste, so I don't need 144x the clamping force.
Hmm, I don't think that's how that works.

Thermal paste is to fill in the microscopic gaps between two otherwise touching, flat surfaces, and aid in heat transfer.

I.E. If you clamp two slabs together as hard as you can, unless you're fusing the metals you're still going to have imperfect contact. That is the role of thermal paste, the microscopic level.

It is not effective for gap-filling or because of imperfect fitment. I mean, it's better than air, but, the low-hanging fruit is to clamp better.

When I clamp and I see all the excess paste squeezed out the sides, I am fairly confident that I will have a good thermal connection for heat transfer.
That just tells you that you have applied excess thermal paste for the amount of gap to fill. It does not tell you how much gapfill exists.

Exaggerated... if you spread 1/8" of thermal paste on like cream cheese, and then clamped them so that a 1/16" gap existed, you'd see half your thermal paste squishing out. You would similarly, falsely conclude that you're fairly confident there is a good thermal connection when there is definitively not.

Thermal paste is surprisingly incompetent compared to closer metal contact. I had a friend who once compared factory flat heatsink (looks perfect to the naked eye) vs. him wet lapping both surfaces by hand a little bit, and the difference between even just that was 50% I think. And both of those situations are imperceptible to the naked eye, let alone the macro differences you'll see.

If not, my thermistors will let me know where I need to make some revisions.
It's just a shame to have this great big rad and then to still be running less optimum than you could be by just adding a few long clamping bolts.

In the end, meh. Doing nothing is probably fine, skipping thermal paste was probably fine. You're looking at performance differences when stressed. It depends on what you want out of it.
 

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In this particular case I do not share your concern. With eight 3/8-16 bolts I have 500-1000 -lb of clamping force for each battery module. I do not feel comfortable putting much more force than that on each battery module.
It's hard to see how you intended to mount them. It looks like you had a clamping plate that was just bolted around the perimeter of the entire box. I was suggesting that they should have a clamping force around each module itself.

I am at a loss to try and think of a simpler way to do this than clamping the battery modules with high force and thermal paste to my cooling plate.
No, that's the right way. It just looked like you might not be clamping them all the way around.
 

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It appears from the image which I posted earlier (which has been used in several articles about the Pacifica Hybrid) that Chrysler uses a single frame to mount and clamp a group of three modules, stacked along the axis perpendicular to the cell planes.
What I'm seeing there, is there are fasteners in the middle, holding the modules down. Not a frame spanning the entire box and only clamped around the edges.
 

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The BMS flickering and saying the cell is good then bad, could be because it's adding voltage, but then because the cell is faulty, suddenly the voltage is fine (microscopic capacity), but then as soon as it stops adding voltage, the voltage falls back to zero and it has to turn on again.

This could be a faulty cell, or, it could be a faulty BMS that killed the cell. It's hard to know.

What I would've done, first thing when I got the batteries was to make a list and measure each cell's voltage. That would rule out cells that were suspiciously low.

Then put some small load on the module/pack for a while, incandescent light bulb or whatnot, just to give it "some" drain, then test the voltages again after a while. That would rule out cells that appear to have the correct voltage, but only because their capacity is practically zero.

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The part where you showed good thermal conductivity... it's hard to tell over camera, but to me that looked like you had quite poor thermal conductivity and quite a bit of thermal paste. By the time you clamp them together there should be almost no paste between the two layers of metal. It should be half-transparent when you pull them apart again. Again, the metal on both sides should be touching, the thermal paste just microscopically fills in the places where it is not. It might still be fine, you'll of course only find out under hardest use whether it's sufficient (especially because you have no better examples to compare it to), so, maybe much ado about nothing. You're building a supercar, so, little details might matter to you in the end, performance-wise. And, performance-wise, heat does become a limit.

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Discouraging week for you it seems. Especially when you pay for things, you'd kind of expect them to be working (and tested) properly. You're not bodging together junk you found and expecting it to take some extra labor to figure that out. Hopefully EV West straightens things out for you. At least they're more reputable than the kit company :p
 

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You're killin' me Smalls.

You don't have a tap and die set?

You can just drill out a slightly smaller nut, then tap it to the correct size. A washer can just be a piece of metal with a hole in it.

Not a chance I'd wait two weeks to test drive my project just because a nut and washer were missing.
 

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You're selling it? Whyyyyy?

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It would be nice if the things you're paying for actually worked. Seems like almost every system that can go wrong or have a fault, has a fault. The body panels don't line up, the manual is garbage, your BMS is shit, your batteries are shit, EV controls is wonky, your parking brake is screwy.

Like, it's not enough of a challenge to build a kit car, you gotta run around and fix other people's problems too.
 

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Who'd you buy your batteries from again?

EV West?

Bad products, bad service?

Not speaking very highly of them.


Surprising to me how much better it looks with the right color of yellow paint.

I missed how you fixed the parking break issue. Just took it apart and put it back together and seemed to have fixed it? Just a loose wire then?
 
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