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The moment it takes more energy to get oil out of the ground than you get
back from it (EROEI) then it's a useless statistic for there to be any oil
left in the world. If we DID have 50-100 years left of cheap oil, we'd be
committing suicide to burn it all knowing what we know now about the
climate. As it stands today, though, our supply problems are far more
pressing than you may be aware:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/1ace11/200705fig1.jpg

Here is a good australian documentary to watch:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/

Suffice to say, being able to keep driving a car is only the tip of the
iceberg on how this supply crisis will impact us.

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I never thought of it that way. You're probably right, EV won't reach
mass-market until they have to: when there's very little oil left in the
world. We'll just have to wait 50-100 years or something like that. Just a
thought: if, just if, EVs were as advanced in the oil crisis as they are
today, maybe we'd have EVs...

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Thank you for the references. I have a feeling that you will be told
shortly that this is OT and to take this discussion offlist.

However, if you want to discuss the oil situation,
http://www.theoildrum.com is a good place to learn about and discuss the
issue.

From your first reference, it would appear that we need to build EVs
and conserve before oil/gasoline/diesel demand outstrips supply and
causes energy induced inflation. If we don't energy induced inflation
leads to EV parts becoming more expensive along with food, clothing,
shelter, and of course transportation.

Gasoline supplies are down to 192 MBarrels and the theoretical Minimum
Operating Level is around 180 MBarrels. There have been a few spot
shortages reported in the upper midwest. So waht does this have to do
with EVs and the EVDL. If the public realizes the precariousness of the
situation, they will seek solutions and EVs are a good solution which
means that they will wind their way here.

We are starting to coallesce the EVDL archive into hot links by topic
and we will eventually call on you all in general to help out. That way
we do not have to reiterate ourselves but can concentrate on making the
hot links better.

[email protected] wrote:
> The moment it takes more energy to get oil out of the ground than you get
> back from it (EROEI) then it's a useless statistic for there to be any oil
> left in the world. If we DID have 50-100 years left of cheap oil, we'd be
> committing suicide to burn it all knowing what we know now about the
> climate. As it stands today, though, our supply problems are far more
> pressing than you may be aware:
>
> http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/1ace11/200705fig1.jpg
>
> Here is a good australian documentary to watch:
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/
>
> Suffice to say, being able to keep driving a car is only the tip of the
> iceberg on how this supply crisis will impact us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I never thought of it that way. You're probably right, EV won't reach
> mass-market until they have to: when there's very little oil left in the
> world. We'll just have to wait 50-100 years or something like that. Just a
> thought: if, just if, EVs were as advanced in the oil crisis as they are
> today, maybe we'd have EVs...
>
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On 8 Sep 2007 at 10:49, Peter Eckhoff wrote:

> I have a feeling that [we] will be told
> shortly that this is OT and to take this discussion offlist.

Yep. ;-)

Seriously, let's not go any further into this OT thread. Not only is it off
topic, there's some controversy about it on the EVDL, as in real life ;-),
and not all EVDL members have an interest in environmental issues anyway.

I don't want to see us get into a flame war. Better to stick to discussing
the many matters on which we agree. There is little point to conversation
in these OT areas since opinions are often solidified and very few people
will change their minds.

My fault, I guess. I should've been more careful about my suggestion of
what would generate demand for EVs.

Thanks for your understanding.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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