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I heard something that it is a law to have batteries in EVs last 120k
mile. Is this true?

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What a great way to keep intermediate technology off the market...and
you can claim you are doing it for the consumer!

Gee I wonder if the gas co's helped write that bill.


Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> Now why would they require the hybrid components to last longer than
> any other components of a regular ICE car?
>
> On 9/9/07, m gol <[email protected]> wrote:
>> You are talking about the California law regarding PZEVs to last 15
>> years,
>> 150,000 miles.
>>
>> But not all components are covered.
>>
>> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f12/15-year-150k-mile-warranty-whopeeee-653/
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>> On 9/8/07, Joseph T. <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> > I heard something that it is a law to have batteries in EVs last
>> 120k
>> > mile. Is this true?
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This may be why Honda sent me a letter extending my
Insight warranty to 150,000. OK with me I just got a
new 144v battery pack at 130,000 mi. I like GM's new
truck warranty "Lifetime" why not include Insurance,
registration, fuel/batteries even tires and brakes
when we buy a new car. It is then all financed over
the life of the vehicle and we know what the real
expense is for driving our own transportation versus
using public trans
--- Peter VanDerWal <[email protected]> wrote:

> Because they are considered to be part of the
> "Emissions Control System"
>
> > Now why would they require the hybrid components
> to last longer than
> > any other components of a regular ICE car?
> >
> > On 9/9/07, m gol <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> You are talking about the California law
> regarding PZEVs to last 15
> >> years,
> >> 150,000 miles.
> >>
> >> But not all components are covered.
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f12/15-year-150k-mile-warranty-whopeeee-653/
> >>
> >> On 9/8/07, Joseph T. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I heard something that it is a law to have
> batteries in EVs last 120k
> >> > mile. Is this true?
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> They get around this by replacing any packs that
> might go bad under warranty but from what I hear, the hybrid
> packs rarely need replacing.
> I don't think that EV battery packs would be part of
> the emissions system as there is no ICE so it probably won't
> matter to EV's but could slow plug in hybrids some. But they
> have known about this for yrs with hybrids.

Actually I think that they would consider the battery pack in an EV as
part of the emission control system, along with all of the rest of the
electrical drive train. They seem to have a pretty broad definition and
include EVERYTHING that is used to reduce a vehicles emissions.

Since EVs are classified as zero emission vehicles (i.e. the ultimate in
emission control) and the battery is crucial to an EVs operation, the
battery is therefor an essential part of vehicle's emission control system
(since the whole drive train is needed in order to operate at zero
emissions)

But that's just my guess.

Hmm, this might be part of the reason the auto makers are working so hard
to avoid building EVs.

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--- Peter VanDerWal <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > They get around this by replacing any packs
> that
> > might go bad under warranty but from what I hear,
> the hybrid
> > packs rarely need replacing.



I have had mine replaced twice. first at 70,000 and
then at 130,000 mi. both at no cost to me. I think
it is a good idea.


> > I don't think that EV battery packs would
> be part of
> > the emissions system as there is no ICE so it
> probably won't
> > matter to EV's but could slow plug in hybrids
> some. But they
> > have known about this for yrs with hybrids.
>
> Actually I think that they would consider the
> battery pack in an EV as
> part of the emission control system, along with all
> of the rest of the
> electrical drive train. They seem to have a pretty
> broad definition and
> include EVERYTHING that is used to reduce a vehicles
> emissions.
>
> Since EVs are classified as zero emission vehicles
> (i.e. the ultimate in
> emission control) and the battery is crucial to an
> EVs operation, the
> battery is therefor an essential part of vehicle's
> emission control system
> (since the whole drive train is needed in order to
> operate at zero
> emissions)
>
> But that's just my guess.
>
> Hmm, this might be part of the reason the auto
> makers are working so hard
> to avoid building EVs.
>
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keith what type car did you have the batteries replaced in ???
----- Original Message -----
From: keith vansickle<mailto:[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120k mile EV battery law?



--- Peter VanDerWal <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

>
> > They get around this by replacing any packs
> that
> > might go bad under warranty but from what I hear,
> the hybrid
> > packs rarely need replacing.



I have had mine replaced twice. first at 70,000 and
then at 130,000 mi. both at no cost to me. I think
it is a good idea.


> > I don't think that EV battery packs would
> be part of
> > the emissions system as there is no ICE so it
> probably won't
> > matter to EV's but could slow plug in hybrids
> some. But they
> > have known about this for yrs with hybrids.
>
> Actually I think that they would consider the
> battery pack in an EV as
> part of the emission control system, along with all
> of the rest of the
> electrical drive train. They seem to have a pretty
> broad definition and
> include EVERYTHING that is used to reduce a vehicles
> emissions.
>
> Since EVs are classified as zero emission vehicles
> (i.e. the ultimate in
> emission control) and the battery is crucial to an
> EVs operation, the
> battery is therefor an essential part of vehicle's
> emission control system
> (since the whole drive train is needed in order to
> operate at zero
> emissions)
>
> But that's just my guess.
>
> Hmm, this might be part of the reason the auto
> makers are working so hard
> to avoid building EVs.
>
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