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I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html

and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/

but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{

Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech

This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".

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I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to display information from the Netgain controller.

Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus line on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?

corbin

gary wrote:

> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>
> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
>
> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
>
> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>
> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
>
> --
> Gary Krysztopik
> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> San Antonio, TX
>
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Hi Folks,

One of the big problems with these tablets is the lack of serial port.
Nice thing about them? Bluetooth.
So why not just hook a bluetooth adaptor to the various devices and
communicate that way? It also allows your tablet to be easily removed
(thus foiling thieves).

In my copious spare time, I'm looking into something that will
interface with the Elithion and Azure Dynamics systems using just this
sort of arrangement. (In other words, not gonna happen really soon).

Cheers,
Peter

On 1/4/2011 8:27 AM, corbin dunn wrote:
> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to display information from the Netgain controller.
>
> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus line on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>
> corbin
>
>
gary wrote:
>
>> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>>
>> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
>> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
>>
>> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
>>
>> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
>> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
>> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>>
>> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
>> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
>> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
>> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
>> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
>> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
>> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
>> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
>>
>> --
>> Gary Krysztopik
>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>> San Antonio, TX
>>
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Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a lot
of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but only OBDII PID
canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do canbus in general and
isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've
seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...

Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing currently exists.

I am seriously considering writing a program for android and i* that uses a
bluetooth <--> canbus adapter and supports a variety of EV hardware. Since
the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or cost a kidney, I
also have thought about making my own. Truth be told, though, I have doubts
about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing some interest on
this list.

corbin dunn <[email protected]>wrote:

> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to display
> information from the Netgain controller.
>
> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus line
> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>
> corbin
>
> On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:53 AM, gary wrote:
>
> > I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
> >
> > and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
> >
> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
> >
> > but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
> >
> > Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
> > in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
> > displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
> >
> > This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
> > concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
> > stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
> > there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
> > the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
> > isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
> > That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
> > better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
> >
> > --
> > Gary Krysztopik
> > ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> > Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> > blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
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Well, if you are interfacing with Elithion and AD then I'd suggest canbus
and not serial(rs232). Serial comm isn't so great because it's not a bus
topology and you'd have to have an adapter for each device. In theory a
bluetooth host should be able to connect to 8 other devices but I wouldn't
bet money that android or i* hardware will actually do it. Using canbus with
one bluetooth adapter for all hardware is much more convenient from both a
software and a hardware perspective.

Peter C. Thompson <[email protected]>wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> One of the big problems with these tablets is the lack of serial port.
> Nice thing about them? Bluetooth.
> So why not just hook a bluetooth adaptor to the various devices and
> communicate that way? It also allows your tablet to be easily removed
> (thus foiling thieves).
>
> In my copious spare time, I'm looking into something that will
> interface with the Elithion and Azure Dynamics systems using just this
> sort of arrangement. (In other words, not gonna happen really soon).
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> On 1/4/2011 8:27 AM, corbin dunn wrote:
> > I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to display
> information from the Netgain controller.
> >
> > Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus line
> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
> >
> > corbin
> >
> > On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:53 AM, gary wrote:
> >
> >> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
> >>
> >> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
> >>
> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
> >>
> >> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
> >> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
> >> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
> >>
> >> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
> >> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
> >> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
> >> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
> >> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
> >> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
> >> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
> >> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary Krysztopik
> >> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> >> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> >> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> >> San Antonio, TX
> >>
> >>
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Hi Collin,

I found a CANBus <--> USB converter so it would be easy to add a USB
<--> Bluetooth converter to the end of that chain. :) The CANBus
converter turns all the binary into text, though.

Cheers,
Peter

On 1/4/2011 9:25 AM, Collin Kidder wrote:
> Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a lot
> of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but only OBDII PID
> canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do canbus in general and
> isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've
> seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>
> Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing currently exists.
>
> I am seriously considering writing a program for android and i* that uses a
> bluetooth<--> canbus adapter and supports a variety of EV hardware. Since
> the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or cost a kidney, I
> also have thought about making my own. Truth be told, though, I have doubts
> about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing some interest on
> this list.
>
>
corbin dunn<[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to display
>> information from the Netgain controller.
>>
>> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus line
>> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>>
>> corbin
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:53 AM, gary wrote:
>>
>>> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>>>
>>> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
>>>
>> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
>>> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
>>> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
>>> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>>>
>>> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
>>> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
>>> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
>>> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
>>> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
>>> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
>>> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
>>> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary Krysztopik
>>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
>>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>>
>>>
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Collin Kidder scribbled:
> Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've seen prices of
over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...

Not so much anymore!

OBDII Bluetooth adapter that CLAIMS to support CANbus:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54

http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B
003MQ89X4 $49

I've got 3 from dealextreme on order, and my Electrical Engineering pal
says that because it's based on the ELM327 chipset it *should* do
CANBus. Planning to hook 'em up to two '07 Prius and whatever POS he
drives (my personal POS 1991 Camry is too old to have an OBD-II port)...

As far as software for ICE vehicles, there's Torque (android), LapLogger
(Blackberry) and Rev by DevToaster (iPhone) -- perhaps collaboration
with these folks would yield something for EV's though I'd really rather
prefer something open source so that any EV'er or small
manufacturer/developer could easily (and profitably) extend the
technology. So far I've just found the open source SocketCAN drivers
donated to the Linux kernel by Volkswagen research, but these may prove
useful.

I must admit that I don't know a ton about ICE CANbus and ziltch about
CANBus on an EV conversion. Does it still function? Does the EV bits
and pieces report on the glider's CANbus? Most of my knowledge comes
from Wikipedia's entry and subsequent links on CANBus, but we're going
to be delving into it pretty deep for an upcoming project so knowing
about EV's ability to report would be nice...

[email protected]

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Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a
lot
of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but only OBDII PID
canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do canbus in general
and
isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money.
I've
seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...

Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing currently
exists.

I am seriously considering writing a program for android and i* that
uses a
bluetooth <--> canbus adapter and supports a variety of EV hardware.
Since
the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or cost a
kidney, I
also have thought about making my own. Truth be told, though, I have
doubts
about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing some interest
on
this list.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM, corbin dunn
<[email protected]>wrote:

> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to
display
> information from the Netgain controller.
>
> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus
line
> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>
> corbin
>
>
gary wrote:
>
> > I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
> >
> > and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
> >
>
http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-teles
cope-control-28121563/
> >
> > but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store
;<{
> >
> > Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take
data
> > in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
> > displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
> >
> > This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
> > concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed,
GPS,
> > stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's
out
> > there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work
with
> > the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is
already
> > isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
> > That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
> > better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
> >
> > --
> > Gary Krysztopik
> > ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> > Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> > blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> > San Antonio, TX
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http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54

I tried to order something from this site and they never verified my attempts to
create an account, even
after sending several requests.
Have you had any luck with them, or is this your first order?
If you do receive your order let us know how it works out.
Rod


----- Original Message ----
From: "Childress, Matthew" <[email protected]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 12:57:19 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that

Collin Kidder scribbled:
> Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've seen prices of
over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...

Not so much anymore!

OBDII Bluetooth adapter that CLAIMS to support CANbus:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54

http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B
003MQ89X4 $49

I've got 3 from dealextreme on order, and my Electrical Engineering pal
says that because it's based on the ELM327 chipset it *should* do
CANBus. Planning to hook 'em up to two '07 Prius and whatever POS he
drives (my personal POS 1991 Camry is too old to have an OBD-II port)...

As far as software for ICE vehicles, there's Torque (android), LapLogger
(Blackberry) and Rev by DevToaster (iPhone) -- perhaps collaboration
with these folks would yield something for EV's though I'd really rather
prefer something open source so that any EV'er or small
manufacturer/developer could easily (and profitably) extend the
technology. So far I've just found the open source SocketCAN drivers
donated to the Linux kernel by Volkswagen research, but these may prove
useful.

I must admit that I don't know a ton about ICE CANbus and ziltch about
CANBus on an EV conversion. Does it still function? Does the EV bits
and pieces report on the glider's CANbus? Most of my knowledge comes
from Wikipedia's entry and subsequent links on CANBus, but we're going
to be delving into it pretty deep for an upcoming project so knowing
about EV's ability to report would be nice...

[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Collin Kidder
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:25 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that

Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a
lot
of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but only OBDII PID
canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do canbus in general
and
isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money.
I've
seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...

Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing currently
exists.

I am seriously considering writing a program for android and i* that
uses a
bluetooth <--> canbus adapter and supports a variety of EV hardware.
Since
the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or cost a
kidney, I
also have thought about making my own. Truth be told, though, I have
doubts
about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing some interest
on
this list.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM, corbin dunn
<[email protected]>wrote:

> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to
display
> information from the Netgain controller.
>
> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus
line
> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>
> corbin
>
>
gary wrote:
>
> > I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
> >
> > and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
> >
>
http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-teles
cope-control-28121563/
> >
> > but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store
;<{
> >
> > Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take
data
> > in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
> > displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
> >
> > This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
> > concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed,
GPS,
> > stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's
out
> > there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work
with
> > the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is
already
> > isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
> > That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
> > better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
> >
> > --
> > Gary Krysztopik
> > ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> > Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> > blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
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I've used them - they are based in Hong Kong, so sometimes it takes a
while. It took about two weeks for my order to arrive, so it may not be
the fastest out there.

Cheers,
Peter

On 1/4/2011 10:06 AM, Rod Hower wrote:
> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54
>
> I tried to order something from this site and they never verified my attempts to
> create an account, even
> after sending several requests.
> Have you had any luck with them, or is this your first order?
> If you do receive your order let us know how it works out.
> Rod
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Childress, Matthew"<[email protected]>
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 12:57:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that
>
> Collin Kidder scribbled:
>> Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've seen prices of
> over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>
> Not so much anymore!
>
> OBDII Bluetooth adapter that CLAIMS to support CANbus:
>
> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54
>
> http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B
> 003MQ89X4 $49
>
> I've got 3 from dealextreme on order, and my Electrical Engineering pal
> says that because it's based on the ELM327 chipset it *should* do
> CANBus. Planning to hook 'em up to two '07 Prius and whatever POS he
> drives (my personal POS 1991 Camry is too old to have an OBD-II port)...
>
> As far as software for ICE vehicles, there's Torque (android), LapLogger
> (Blackberry) and Rev by DevToaster (iPhone) -- perhaps collaboration
> with these folks would yield something for EV's though I'd really rather
> prefer something open source so that any EV'er or small
> manufacturer/developer could easily (and profitably) extend the
> technology. So far I've just found the open source SocketCAN drivers
> donated to the Linux kernel by Volkswagen research, but these may prove
> useful.
>
> I must admit that I don't know a ton about ICE CANbus and ziltch about
> CANBus on an EV conversion. Does it still function? Does the EV bits
> and pieces report on the glider's CANbus? Most of my knowledge comes
> from Wikipedia's entry and subsequent links on CANBus, but we're going
> to be delving into it pretty deep for an upcoming project so knowing
> about EV's ability to report would be nice...
>
> [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Collin Kidder
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that
>
> Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a
> lot
> of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but only OBDII PID
> canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do canbus in general
> and
> isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money.
> I've
> seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>
> Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing currently
> exists.
>
> I am seriously considering writing a program for android and i* that
> uses a
> bluetooth<--> canbus adapter and supports a variety of EV hardware.
> Since
> the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or cost a
> kidney, I
> also have thought about making my own. Truth be told, though, I have
> doubts
> about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing some interest
> on
> this list.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM, corbin dunn
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to
> display
>> information from the Netgain controller.
>>
>> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus
> line
>> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>>
>> corbin
>>
>>
gary wrote:
>>
>>> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>>>
>>> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
>>>
> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-teles
> cope-control-28121563/
>>> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store
> ;<{
>>> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take
> data
>>> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
>>> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>>>
>>> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
>>> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed,
> GPS,
>>> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's
> out
>>> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work
> with
>>> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is
> already
>>> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
>>> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
>>> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary Krysztopik
>>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
>>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>>
>>>
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Childress, Matthew
<[email protected]>wrote:

> Collin Kidder scribbled:
> > Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've seen prices of
> over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>
> Not so much anymore!
>
> OBDII Bluetooth adapter that CLAIMS to support CANbus:
>
> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54
>
> http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B
> 003MQ89X4 $49
>
> I've got 3 from dealextreme on order, and my Electrical Engineering pal
> says that because it's based on the ELM327 chipset it *should* do
> CANBus. Planning to hook 'em up to two '07 Prius and whatever POS he
> drives (my personal POS 1991 Camry is too old to have an OBD-II port)...
>

Yes, those are the OBDII adapters I was referring to. The really glaring
problem with them is that they tend not to ack frames on the network which
aren't part of the OBDII standard. That's a big problem if your adapter is
one of only two devices on the network. If there are more devices then it's
possible that the other devices can do the acks for each other. Having said
that, the ELM327 firmware revision 1.4B does support general frame ack so
that solves that. Too bad the deal extreme adapters are chinese knockoffs
(yes, I've checked. They aren't real ELM327 chips) and they don't support
canbus frame acknowledgement. Also, these adapters output text in some sort
of idiotic format that wastes bandwidth like it's going out of style. This
applies to both the real and fake ELM327 products. I really wish they'd
support raw binary output of the bus. A lot of EV hardware is very chatty.

For what it's worth I do have the one from deal extreme and I've used it
(with Torque) to do OBDII stuff on a 2006 ICE vehicle using canbus. It works
fine for OBDII scanning.
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Oh... and the other problem with the deal extreme adapters (and their ilk):
They seem to be permanently terminated. So you have to be careful to have
only one other terminated device on the bus.


Collin Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Childress, Matthew <[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
>> Collin Kidder scribbled:
>> > Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've seen prices of
>> over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>>
>> Not so much anymore!
>>
>> OBDII Bluetooth adapter that CLAIMS to support CANbus:
>>
>> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B
>> 003MQ89X4<http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B003MQ89X4>$49
>>
>> I've got 3 from dealextreme on order, and my Electrical Engineering pal
>> says that because it's based on the ELM327 chipset it *should* do
>> CANBus. Planning to hook 'em up to two '07 Prius and whatever POS he
>> drives (my personal POS 1991 Camry is too old to have an OBD-II port)...
>>
>
> Yes, those are the OBDII adapters I was referring to. The really glaring
> problem with them is that they tend not to ack frames on the network which
> aren't part of the OBDII standard. That's a big problem if your adapter is
> one of only two devices on the network. If there are more devices then it's
> possible that the other devices can do the acks for each other. Having said
> that, the ELM327 firmware revision 1.4B does support general frame ack so
> that solves that. Too bad the deal extreme adapters are chinese knockoffs
> (yes, I've checked. They aren't real ELM327 chips) and they don't support
> canbus frame acknowledgement. Also, these adapters output text in some sort
> of idiotic format that wastes bandwidth like it's going out of style. This
> applies to both the real and fake ELM327 products. I really wish they'd
> support raw binary output of the bus. A lot of EV hardware is very chatty.
>
> For what it's worth I do have the one from deal extreme and I've used it
> (with Torque) to do OBDII stuff on a 2006 ICE vehicle using canbus. It works
> fine for OBDII scanning.
>
>
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that cable looks interesting. all I wan't is terminal access.

A while back I found a terminal App that could supposedly use the headphone jack as a hardwire connection to a serial device.

I never tried because I'm a chicken when is comes to making hardware for use with my iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

gary <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>
> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
>
> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
>
> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>
> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
>
> --
> Gary Krysztopik
> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
> San Antonio, TX
>
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I'd buy it.

One thing to note is that as I understand it, Apple's iOS does not have a full Bluetooth stack.

Don't really know what that means though.

John

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Collin Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:

> Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a lot
> of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but only OBDII PID
> canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do canbus in general and
> isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've
> seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>
> Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing currently exists.
>
> I am seriously considering writing a program for android and i* that uses a
> bluetooth <--> canbus adapter and supports a variety of EV hardware. Since
> the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or cost a kidney, I
> also have thought about making my own. Truth be told, though, I have doubts
> about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing some interest on
> this list.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM, corbin dunn <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to display
>> information from the Netgain controller.
>>
>> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus line
>> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>>
>> corbin
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:53 AM, gary wrote:
>>
>>> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>>>
>>> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
>>>
>> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
>>>
>>> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
>>> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
>>> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>>>
>>> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
>>> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
>>> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
>>> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
>>> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
>>> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
>>> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
>>> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary Krysztopik
>>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
>>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>>
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Awesome -- thanks for the head's up -- I scanned over and missed the
second part where you wrote "suck or cost a kidney"... which Kidney
would you recommend??? Still waiting on my ilk/sucker ;-) I believe it
*should* work for our application...

[email protected]

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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:17 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that

Oh... and the other problem with the deal extreme adapters (and their
ilk):
They seem to be permanently terminated. So you have to be careful to
have
only one other terminated device on the bus.


Collin Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Childress, Matthew
<[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
>> Collin Kidder scribbled:
>> > Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've seen prices of
>> over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>>
>> Not so much anymore!
>>
>> OBDII Bluetooth adapter that CLAIMS to support CANbus:
>>
>> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54
>>
>>
http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B
>>
003MQ89X4<http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCA
NTOOL/dp/B003MQ89X4>$49
>>
>> I've got 3 from dealextreme on order, and my Electrical Engineering
pal
>> says that because it's based on the ELM327 chipset it *should* do
>> CANBus. Planning to hook 'em up to two '07 Prius and whatever POS he
>> drives (my personal POS 1991 Camry is too old to have an OBD-II
port)...
>>
>
> Yes, those are the OBDII adapters I was referring to. The really
glaring
> problem with them is that they tend not to ack frames on the network
which
> aren't part of the OBDII standard. That's a big problem if your
adapter is
> one of only two devices on the network. If there are more devices then
it's
> possible that the other devices can do the acks for each other. Having
said
> that, the ELM327 firmware revision 1.4B does support general frame ack
so
> that solves that. Too bad the deal extreme adapters are chinese
knockoffs
> (yes, I've checked. They aren't real ELM327 chips) and they don't
support
> canbus frame acknowledgement. Also, these adapters output text in some
sort
> of idiotic format that wastes bandwidth like it's going out of style.
This
> applies to both the real and fake ELM327 products. I really wish
they'd
> support raw binary output of the bus. A lot of EV hardware is very
chatty.
>
> For what it's worth I do have the one from deal extreme and I've used
it
> (with Torque) to do OBDII stuff on a 2006 ICE vehicle using canbus. It
works
> fine for OBDII scanning.
>
>
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Yeah, like I said, I do have a deal extreme adapter and it works. I don't
mean to suggest otherwise. I just find it lacking in some areas. Price is
not one of those areas. ;-)

Matthew <[email protected]>wrote:

> Awesome -- thanks for the head's up -- I scanned over and missed the
> second part where you wrote "suck or cost a kidney"... which Kidney
> would you recommend??? Still waiting on my ilk/sucker ;-) I believe it
> *should* work for our application...
>
> [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Collin Kidder
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:17 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that
>
> Oh... and the other problem with the deal extreme adapters (and their
> ilk):
> They seem to be permanently terminated. So you have to be careful to
> have
> only one other terminated device on the bus.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Collin Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Childress, Matthew
> <[email protected]
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Collin Kidder scribbled:
> >> > Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've seen prices of
> >> over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
> >>
> >> Not so much anymore!
> >>
> >> OBDII Bluetooth adapter that CLAIMS to support CANbus:
> >>
> >> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921 $54
> >>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCANTOOL/dp/B
> >>
> 003MQ89X4<http://www.amazon.com/BLUETOOTH-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-VAG-COM-SCA
> NTOOL/dp/B003MQ89X4>$49
> >>
> >> I've got 3 from dealextreme on order, and my Electrical Engineering
> pal
> >> says that because it's based on the ELM327 chipset it *should* do
> >> CANBus. Planning to hook 'em up to two '07 Prius and whatever POS he
> >> drives (my personal POS 1991 Camry is too old to have an OBD-II
> port)...
> >>
> >
> > Yes, those are the OBDII adapters I was referring to. The really
> glaring
> > problem with them is that they tend not to ack frames on the network
> which
> > aren't part of the OBDII standard. That's a big problem if your
> adapter is
> > one of only two devices on the network. If there are more devices then
> it's
> > possible that the other devices can do the acks for each other. Having
> said
> > that, the ELM327 firmware revision 1.4B does support general frame ack
> so
> > that solves that. Too bad the deal extreme adapters are chinese
> knockoffs
> > (yes, I've checked. They aren't real ELM327 chips) and they don't
> support
> > canbus frame acknowledgement. Also, these adapters output text in some
> sort
> > of idiotic format that wastes bandwidth like it's going out of style.
> This
> > applies to both the real and fake ELM327 products. I really wish
> they'd
> > support raw binary output of the bus. A lot of EV hardware is very
> chatty.
> >
> > For what it's worth I do have the one from deal extreme and I've used
> it
> > (with Torque) to do OBDII stuff on a 2006 ICE vehicle using canbus. It
> works
> > fine for OBDII scanning.
> >
> >
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Hi Jack,
What Canbus -> Wifi adapter are you using? How are you reading the data from your android app? If you have source code to share, please let me know.

I don't have an adroid device, but i'm hoping the code might get me moving on what to do for the iPhone/iPad.

corbin



Jack Murray wrote:

> I've got a CanBus -> Wifi in the works, since the tablet I'm using for my cars only has Wifi, not bluetooth, and laptops all have wifi too.
> This is much better than serial or USB, no wires.
>
> btw, the $99 Maylong M-150 I have seems to work pretty well, "laggy" as they say, but fast enough, and I can afford to have 3 of them in the car..
>
> The hardware is an issue, but even more so the software, so you can hear now, but do you understand french or english, is it a bonnet or a hood?
>
> I've been working on the android app for displaying data,
> the android dev system is a decade behind the times, horrible.
>
> --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Collin Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> From: Collin Kidder <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 9:25 AM
>> Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to
>> Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a lot
>> of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but
>> only OBDII PID
>> canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do
>> canbus in general and
>> isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are
>> insane money. I've
>> seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>>
>> Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing
>> currently exists.
>>
>> I am seriously considering writing a program for android
>> and i* that uses a
>> bluetooth <--> canbus adapter and supports a variety
>> of EV hardware. Since
>> the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or
>> cost a kidney, I
>> also have thought about making my own. Truth be told,
>> though, I have doubts
>> about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing
>> some interest on
>> this list.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM, corbin dunn <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write
>> something to display
>>> information from the Netgain controller.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping
>> into the CanBus line
>>> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on
>> an iPhone/iPad?
>>>
>>> corbin
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:53 AM, gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>>>>
>>>> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
>>>>
>>> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
>>>>
>>>> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program
>> in the app store ;<{
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user
>> programmable to take data
>>>> in and display it? I see that there is an
>> OBDII cable and app that
>>>> displays OBDII data -
>> www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>>>>
>>>> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I
>> did see a new e-scooter
>>>> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC
>> along with speed, GPS,
>>>> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad
>> there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
>>>> there then we'd have something already.
>> Seems like this could work with
>>>> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt
>> - the data is already
>>>> isolated and digital in the controllers, just
>> send it to an iPhone.
>>>> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike
>> but this is even
>>>> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen
>> PC".
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary Krysztopik
>>>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>>>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association -
>> www.aceaa.org
>>>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>>>> San Antonio, TX
>>>>
>>>>
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John -- the iOS stuff does have a full bluetooth stack, but apple had some special certification they do to allow things to connect to it.

Collin -- the problem with an OBDII connector is that I don't think it will work with the Netgain controller. I'm not hooking up the controller to my car's CANbus (because it doesn't have one), and I simply want to read the data it emits; similar to how the Netgain Interface Module works.

Writing the software isn't the hard part for me. My day job is as a programmer, and I have extensive experience with iPhone development.

corbin


John wrote:

> I'd buy it.
>
> One thing to note is that as I understand it, Apple's iOS does not have a full Bluetooth stack.
>
> Don't really know what that means though.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Collin Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Step one: Use an OBDII (or canbus) to Bluetooth adapter. EXCEPT that a lot
>> of OBDII adapters don't allow for generalized canbus but only OBDII PID
>> canbus. It could be difficult to find one that will do canbus in general and
>> isn't a lot of money. Canbus to bluetooth adapters are insane money. I've
>> seen prices of over $400 for such adapters. No thanks...
>>
>> Step two: Write an app for i*/android as I'm sure nothing currently exists.
>>
>> I am seriously considering writing a program for android and i* that uses a
>> bluetooth <--> canbus adapter and supports a variety of EV hardware. Since
>> the bluetooth adapters that currently exist either suck or cost a kidney, I
>> also have thought about making my own. Truth be told, though, I have doubts
>> about the market viability of either. Granted, I'm seeing some interest on
>> this list.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM, corbin dunn <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also really interested in this. I want to write something to display
>>> information from the Netgain controller.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any tips on how to go about tapping into the CanBus line
>>> on the Netgain Controller and then reading the data on an iPhone/iPad?
>>>
>>> corbin
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:53 AM, gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm aware of Zillaview - http://www.evgear.com.au/zillaview.html
>>>>
>>>> and I found a serial to iPhone cable -
>>>>
>>> http://www.slashgear.com/skywire-iphone-serial-cable-allows-remote-telescope-control-28121563/
>>>>
>>>> but I can't find a Zilla control/display program in the app store ;<{
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of an iPhone app that is user programmable to take data
>>>> in and display it? I see that there is an OBDII cable and app that
>>>> displays OBDII data - www.gopointtech.com/popmech
>>>>
>>>> This is pretty cool that it's so close. I did see a new e-scooter
>>>> concept that has an iPhone dock and displays SOC along with speed, GPS,
>>>> stereo, etc. using the iPhone. Too bad there weren't 10,000 Zilla's out
>>>> there then we'd have something already. Seems like this could work with
>>>> the Soliton and Netgain too - no need for a shunt - the data is already
>>>> isolated and digital in the controllers, just send it to an iPhone.
>>>> That was the idea with the in-dash PC in my trike but this is even
>>>> better - the user supplies the "touch-screen PC".
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary Krysztopik
>>>> ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
>>>> Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
>>>> blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
>>>> San Antonio, TX
>>>>
>>>>
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Eclipse doesn't seem so bad to me. I really am not a very large proponent of
JAVA though. How does it take four times as long? Aren't you typing most of
the time? Is eclipse somehow slowing down your typing?

The simulator is very slow. That's for sure! That's probably the way to go
if at all possible. The simulator would be a lot quicker if they'd just run
a dalvik interpreter in native code and not try to emulate all of the
hardware. That might work for straight dalvik code but would break down if
you tried to debug NDK stuff. However, you can easily enough use real
hardware through USB to do a lot of your dev testing.

Jack Murray <[email protected]>wrote:

> We used eclipse at work, it takes twice or four times as long to get
> something done, so what, we are on salary. They made us stop using
> netbeans, which I preferred, but its still
> nothing compared to what we had in 1990. See Symbolics Lisp Machine.
>
> Android uses a simulator that is so dog slow dev cycle time is measured in
> hours or days, not seconds like we had in the day where 8mb of memory was
> huge. It is totally amazing how much overhead we have today in software,
> hardware is 1000 times faster, yet still slow.
>
> --- On Tue, 1/4/11, damon henry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > From: damon henry <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that
> > To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
> > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 2:24 PM
> >
> > I personally do not find Eclipse that bad. Any new
> > development environment takes a bit to get used to. My
> > all time favorite was Visual Basic 6 which I used quite a
> > bit in the late 90's. Everytime I use a development
> > environment I wish it was my old VB6 IDE instead :)
> > damon
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:42:05 -0800
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that
> > >
> > > yeah, that's half the problem.. we had better dev
> > environment in 1990.
> > > Eclipse looks like it was built by high school
> > students.
> > > This is the eventual result when there is no profit in
> > something.
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, John G. Lussmyer <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: John G. Lussmyer <[email protected]>
> > > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] ain't no app for that
> > > > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 12:30 PM
> > > > On 1/4/2011 10:12 AM, Jack Murray
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I've been working on the android app for
> > displaying
> > > > data,
> > > > > the android dev system is a decade behind
> > the times,
> > > > horrible.
> > > >
> > > > Make sure you use the Eclipse environment for
> > Android dev.
> > > >
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corbin dunn <[email protected]>wrote:
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> Collin -- the problem with an OBDII connector is that I don't think it will
> work with the Netgain controller. I'm not hooking up the controller to my
> car's CANbus (because it doesn't have one), and I simply want to read the
> data it emits; similar to how the Netgain Interface Module works.
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You can buy OBDII connectors though. OBDII connectors have pins for CANBus.
The netgain IM and controller talk over canbus. The link looks like a
network cable (uses RJ45 connectors) but it's canbus.

I think that's the best option for people going forward. If everyone put an
OBDII connector in their EV then we could all standardize on that connector.
You just populate four pins at the connector (+12V, gnd, CAN_H, CAN_L). This
would help to harmonize EV and ICE vehicles.
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Collin Kidder wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:49 PM, corbin dunn <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>
>> Collin -- the problem with an OBDII connector is that I don't think it will
>> work with the Netgain controller. I'm not hooking up the controller to my
>> car's CANbus (because it doesn't have one), and I simply want to read the
>> data it emits; similar to how the Netgain Interface Module works.
>>
>>
> You can buy OBDII connectors though. OBDII connectors have pins for CANBus.

Ah, that's the puzzle piece I wasn't aware of! Cool, I'll look for one of those (or make one). It is sort of strange that the Netgain IM uses RJ45, but I guess it was easiest for people to get ahold of.

corbin

> The netgain IM and controller talk over canbus. The link looks like a
> network cable (uses RJ45 connectors) but it's canbus.
>
> I think that's the best option for people going forward. If everyone put an
> OBDII connector in their EV then we could all standardize on that connector.
> You just populate four pins at the connector (+12V, gnd, CAN_H, CAN_L). This
> would help to harmonize EV and ICE vehicles.
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