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Here it is Sunday and I'm about to go into withdrawls.
Someone had to have raced ;-)
Hope nobody broke anything, except records.

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.

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I'll chime in.
Speaking oly of Friday Night's NEDRA activities, it was quite a scene.
Probably 2 dozen or more EV's at the races and at least 10 race EV's.
The racing EV's that I saw Friday night (until about 10:30pm) included:
* White Zombie (Wayland's 70's Datsun)
* Orange Poppy (Otmar's 914)
* Cobra EV
* Dave Cloud's Geo
* Rick Barnes' compact
* Don Crabtree's FrankenDragon electric motorcycle

Along with these there were other EV's present including:
* Viktor Tikhonov's Honda CRX
* Tim Kutscha's red 914
* The 5' diam propeller powered land buggy (raced at Woodburn a number of years ago)
* A couple of PHEV's
* My 1921 Milburn Light Electric coupe
* An electric Datsun pickup
* Rod Wilde's Gone Postal van
* Rich Rudman's Goldie(?)---didn't see it there but assumed it was there
* I'm sure there were several others

I didn't catch all the racing, but did see Tim Brehm take the White Zombie to a 12.2sec finish and later heard John Wayland come by saying that in another run the Zombie and its competitor both runed 12.0 somethings...

I also saw the electric Cobra turn something like 12.2sec in its first run using what looked like an array of DeWalt lithium packs.

I saw the aftermath of a run that Dave Cloud's car made---a situation that shut the track down for at least 30minutes and causing the loudest and fastest gas cars to have to quit racing for the evening.

It was a lot of fun, with dozens of good EV folks talking EVs.
>From the stands, the crowd was bigger than usual I thought.
And the crowd went wild with every EV that raced...wild that is until the track shut down for a half hour...I saw many folks left the track during that time.

I'm sure others can chime in with the details on all of this. And I guarantee there'll be stories.
For me, it was a peaceful drive out to the track with my dad in an old timey car that predates his age by 11 years. It was the second drag race he'd ever been to...the first being 4 years before I was born.
It was really neat quietly cruising the old electric jalopy the 12miles back home in the dark.

-Myles Twete
1921 Milburn Light Electric: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/348
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> Here it is Sunday and I'm about to go into withdrawls.
> Someone had to have raced ;-)
> Hope nobody broke anything, except records.
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> Mike,
> Anchorage, Ak.
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Dave is OK I hope?

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?


> I'll chime in.
> Speaking oly of Friday Night's NEDRA activities, it was quite a scene.
> Probably 2 dozen or more EV's at the races and at least 10 race EV's.
> The racing EV's that I saw Friday night (until about 10:30pm) included:
> * White Zombie (Wayland's 70's Datsun)
> * Orange Poppy (Otmar's 914)
> * Cobra EV
> * Dave Cloud's Geo
> * Rick Barnes' compact
> * Don Crabtree's FrankenDragon electric motorcycle
>
> Along with these there were other EV's present including:
> * Viktor Tikhonov's Honda CRX
> * Tim Kutscha's red 914
> * The 5' diam propeller powered land buggy (raced at Woodburn a number of
> years ago)
> * A couple of PHEV's
> * My 1921 Milburn Light Electric coupe
> * An electric Datsun pickup
> * Rod Wilde's Gone Postal van
> * Rich Rudman's Goldie(?)---didn't see it there but assumed it was there
> * I'm sure there were several others
>
> I didn't catch all the racing, but did see Tim Brehm take the White Zombie
> to a 12.2sec finish and later heard John Wayland come by saying that in
> another run the Zombie and its competitor both runed 12.0 somethings...
>
> I also saw the electric Cobra turn something like 12.2sec in its first run
> using what looked like an array of DeWalt lithium packs.
>
> I saw the aftermath of a run that Dave Cloud's car made---a situation that
> shut the track down for at least 30minutes and causing the loudest and
> fastest gas cars to have to quit racing for the evening.
>
> It was a lot of fun, with dozens of good EV folks talking EVs.
>>From the stands, the crowd was bigger than usual I thought.
> And the crowd went wild with every EV that raced...wild that is until the
> track shut down for a half hour...I saw many folks left the track during
> that time.
>
> I'm sure others can chime in with the details on all of this. And I
> guarantee there'll be stories.
> For me, it was a peaceful drive out to the track with my dad in an old
> timey car that predates his age by 11 years. It was the second drag race
> he'd ever been to...the first being 4 years before I was born.
> It was really neat quietly cruising the old electric jalopy the 12miles
> back home in the dark.
>
> -Myles Twete
> 1921 Milburn Light Electric: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/348
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Mike Willmon <[email protected]>
>
>> Here it is Sunday and I'm about to go into withdrawls.
>> Someone had to have raced ;-)
>> Hope nobody broke anything, except records.
>>
>> Mike,
>> Anchorage, Ak.
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"I also saw the electric Cobra turn something like 12.2sec in its
first run using what looked like an array of DeWalt lithium packs."

What motor is in it? What tires were used? Did it have full traction
on launch?


"I saw the aftermath of a run that Dave Cloud's car made---a situation
that shut the track down for at least 30minutes and causing the
loudest and fastest gas cars to have to quit racing for the evening."

What in the world happened?

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I think someone said it's a 13"dia DC motor...freakin' huge.
Very cool looking EV.
And near the end of charge, the lithium packs and their bypass reg LEDs
going off all over like a Christmas tree was very cool.
Tires: unknown.
Traction: I'd have to look at the video that I took...

-MT

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"I also saw the electric Cobra turn something like 12.2sec in its
first run using what looked like an array of DeWalt lithium packs."

What motor is in it? What tires were used? Did it have full traction
on launch?


"I saw the aftermath of a run that Dave Cloud's car made---a situation
that shut the track down for at least 30minutes and causing the
loudest and fastest gas cars to have to quit racing for the evening."

What in the world happened?

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Hello to All,

Thanks for the reply, Myles. Most of us are still just getting home, or
in my case, still recuperating from all the weeks of preparation
followed by this intense two day EVent, so it's good you covered the
details for everyone else who wasn't there.

I'll correct just a few points...

[email protected] wrote:

>I'll chime in.
>Speaking oly of Friday Night's NEDRA activities, it was quite a scene.
>
>

Agreed! After much worrying over whether or not this important landmark
EVent in NEDRA history might be a bust with key racers not showing up,
for me, it was the non racers who showed up, that saved the day(s)! A
huge thank you goes out to all who brought their EVs and put them on
display in the NEDRA pit area! Some went to great lengths to do so, too.
The two biggest hits had to be Myles' 1921 Milburn vintage EV and Bill
Bruder's outrageous 'Wind Wagon', but everyone's EVs on display were
appreciated by those of us racing...thanks, everyone!

>Probably 2 dozen or more EV's at the races and at least 10 race EV's.
>The racing EV's that I saw Friday night (until about 10:30pm) included:
>* White Zombie (Wayland's 70's Datsun)
>* Orange Poppy (Otmar's 914)
>* Cobra EV
>* Dave Cloud's Geo
>* Rick Barnes' compact
>* Don Crabtree's FrankenDragon electric motorcycle
>
>

In addition to the above, Plasma Boy Racing team member Chris Brune
raced his Honda, and Tom True's 'Silver Bullet' Datsun Z Car (a Father
Time creation) was raced by his son, Ricky.

>Along with these there were other EV's present including:
>* Viktor Tikhonov's Honda CRX
>* Tim Kutscha's red 914
>* The 5' diam propeller powered land buggy (raced at Woodburn a number of years ago)
>* A couple of PHEV's
>* My 1921 Milburn Light Electric coupe
>* An electric Datsun pickup
>* Rod Wilde's Gone Postal van
>* Rich Rudman's Goldie(?)---didn't see it there but assumed it was there
>* I'm sure there were several others
>
>

Goldie stayed home this time. Along with Victor's ACRX, a second AC
powered car was also on display, Gary Graunke's lithium powered Honda
Insight.

>I didn't catch all the racing, but did see Tim Brehm take the White Zombie to a 12.2sec finish and later heard John Wayland come by saying that in another run the Zombie and its competitor both runed 12.0 somethings...
>
>

Yes, the best race of the entire weekend had to be this race Myles is
talking about! He's right on about the ET, as both White Zombie and the
super hot gen. 3 Mazda turbo RX7 ran 12.0 ETs. A video of this shoot-out
will be up and the Plasma Boy Racing web site's video page. It started
with the burn-outs...the Mazda was LOUD and put on an impressive tire
burn that had folks cheering in the stands, or was it Tim's l-o-n-g tire
burn in White Zombie that had everyone cheering? In any EVent, the
dualing burn-outs were terrific, followed by near identical launches,
followed by near identical ramp-ups to speed, followed by a photo finish
at the end! Final ETs were 12.056 for WZ and 12.062 for the turbo RX7.

Saturday night was almost a total rain-out (in August?), but cranking up
the battery current first to 1500 amps, we did manage to get two good
runs in with an 11.97 @ 108.56 mph for our first run of the night
(running an 11 for the first run of the night has never happened) and an
11.882 @ 109.58 mph for the final run we got in. The 11.8 was the
quickest ET any street legal electric car has ever run on lead acid
batteries! We still had the 3:70 gears in the car left over from last
month's experiment with the lithium batteries. The 2580 lb. car's weight
was dropped to just 1858 lbs. in July, and with the car being so light,
even with tall 3:70 gears the 60 ft. time was an impressive 1.58
seconds. Tim and I reasoned that with the lead pack back in the car and
the additional ~ 100 lbs. of the 6 point roll bar, that with the now ~
2652 lb. curb weight (28 lbs. saved due to an aluminum rear end
swap-in), that we should have put the 4:11 gears back in...we were
right. The 60 ft. time, even with extra battery amps dialed in, suffered
and went up to 1.74 seconds :-( We lost nearly 2/10 seconds right
there, so it's reasonable to assume that had we put the 4:11 gears back
in, that the 11.8 might have been an 11.6...not too bad, considering the
car being nearly 2700 lbs.! The Enersys 14 lb. batteries (formerly
Hawker) dished out the 750 amps each without any trauma whatsoever. We
'did' fan cool the packs between runs to keep them from fogging the
Lexan covers, and it worked as planned. Today, Sunday, every battery in
the twin packs is sitting at right near 13V each.

>I also saw the electric Cobra turn something like 12.2sec in its first run using what looked like an array of DeWalt lithium packs.
>
>

That was Mike Kadie's car. It never got into the 12s, but it did run a
13.6 run (going from memory here) the first time on the track, then with
the A123 lithium pack (yes, gleaned from multiple DeWalt drill packs)
turned up a little higher to 1100 amps, an impressive 13.1 @ 94 mph with
street tires still pumped up to 40 psi...he had never drag raced before!
Do to technical problems and uncertain weather late in the night, on
Saturday Mike did not get to return to the track and get into the 12s,
which he surely would have done with the cheater slicks he was going to
put on. We'll all be hearing more from him, I'm sure, especially
considering his pack can easily belt out 2000 amps.

>I saw the aftermath of a run that Dave Cloud's car made---a situation that shut the track down for at least 30minutes and causing the loudest and fastest gas cars to have to quit racing for the evening.
>
>
>
Yeah, too bad for the Cloud racing guys :-( Thankfully, no one got
hurt. Thanks to Dave and his crew for once again, making it to our racing.

See Ya.....John Wayland

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Hey all

I don't have the time or energy to get a full report
in just yet but thought I'd throw something out for
people to chew on.

I didn't get home till after 4PM Sunday and crashed
harder than Clouds car into the side of my couch when
I got home 8^o I didn't see the run when the car
crashed but Dave feels the tires broke loose as they
forgot to lower the tire pressure before hitting the
track. Truly a bummer as the car had some real pep
which caused it to break he tires when it was slammed
with the full voltage.

On top of the EV's that were able to show up that have
been noted there were some big EV'ers that made the
trip. Gadget made it up as did Ken from KTA and it
was cool to get to put a face to the posts.

Jay Donnaway made it down (after a break tending to
his families needs of a new baby and life style
change)and was the winner of the raffle motor. I
heard that Roy's going to be helping Jay finish his
conversion this week (hopefully) so it sounds like Jay
won't have two of my motors just sitting in his garage
8^o

Anyway far more stories and sub-plots to write then I
have time for this morning, but I'll try and get more
out tonight.

Cya
Jim Husted
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Hi,
I had a great time on Friday, actually quite a few more cars there than I had expected.

For the record I ran twice with very consistent times. About 22.4 seconds right at 60 mph. This is with 144V of Optimas and a Curtis 1231C controller driving a 9 inch Advanced DC. I suspect that if I had a Zilla I'd probably knock at least 2-3 seconds off of this.

Regards,
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> In addition to the above, Plasma Boy Racing team member Chris Brune
> raced his Honda...

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Chris, you're running a clutchless manual according to
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/342 , right? How many gears did you use,
and if more than one, how much time do you suppose it took to shift?

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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:15 PM
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> Hi,
> I had a great time on Friday, actually quite a few more cars there than I
> had expected.
>
> For the record I ran twice with very consistent times. About 22.4 seconds
> right at 60 mph. This is with 144V of Optimas and a Curtis 1231C
> controller driving a 9 inch Advanced DC. I suspect that if I had a Zilla
> I'd probably knock at least 2-3 seconds off of this.
>
> Regards,
> Chris Brune
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In a message dated 8/19/2007 10:38:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Yes, the best race of the entire weekend had to be this race Myles is
talking about! He's right on about the ET, as both White Zombie and the
super hot gen. 3 Mazda turbo RX7 ran 12.0 ETs. A video of this shoot-out
will be up and the Plasma Boy Racing web site's video page. It started
with the burn-outs...the Mazda was LOUD and put on an impressive tire
burn that had folks cheering in the stands, or was it Tim's l-o-n-g tire
burn in White Zombie that had everyone cheering? In any EVent, the
dualing burn-outs were terrific, followed by near identical launches,
followed by near identical ramp-ups to speed, followed by a photo finish
at the end! Final ETs were 12.056 for WZ and 12.062 for the turbo RX7.

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that was a good story John, but which car was the first to the finish line
and won the race?????????????????/




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Hello to All,

[email protected] wrote:

that was a good story John, but which car was the first to the finish line
and won the race?????????????????/



Jim, this is heads up racing, not bracket racing (thank goodness). It's
all about the car, not the driver, so reaction time, red-light...no
red-light, posturing and tricks to confuse the other guy, etc., all
don't matter....it's whoever gets the best ET that wins, which I
included in your referenced in those quotes from me:

>....near identical ramp-ups to speed, followed by a photo finish
>at the end! Final ETs were 12.056 for WZ and 12.062 for the turbo RX7
>
>

White Zombie was the first car across the finish line and was the one
with the best ET as well. Of course, Tim could have sat at the line for
a second longer, then taken off and he would not have been the first to
cross the finish line, but the 'car' would still have turned its 12.056
and would have still been considered the quicker of the two
cars....exactly what those of us promoting EVs want. We want the car (an
EV) to be the star, not the driver...heads up style racing is the
perfect venue for this.

On Saturday night, in our first run of the night, we went up against a
bright red Pro Stock style Mustang. It was a bodacious looking car with
a huge raised hood cowl reverse-feed hood scoop with God knows what
under it, it had a fully tubbed rear end with most likely a four link
setup, and it was stuffed full of huge foot-wide wrinkle wall slicks. It
was LOUD and fast, and we all knew it would probably take our little
battery Datsun...it did, but not without a fight. It ran an 11.6 @ 116
mph against WZ's 11.9 @ 109 mph, but there was no doubt which car won in
the hearts and minds of those cheering in the stands. In this case, the
best ET was not ours, but after the race everyone was gathered around
the EV and not a soul was around the same-old-thing Mustang. Of course,
last month's 1858 lb. lithium version of WZ would have ate that Stang
for dinner :)

See Ya.....John Wayland



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Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 8:32 am

Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?



>>Snip, Snip...
but after the race everyone was gathered around
the EV and not a soul was around the same-old-thing Mustang.
<< Snip Snip...

See Ya.....John Wayland



I couldn't agree more! Everywhere I go in Tweety it is a car show. Of
course that is because it is such a funny looking thing but the real
interest begins after the most comon first question: "How fast does it
go?"

The answer to that question becomes more important and more suprising
to the crowd after they discover it is total electric. Most exclaim
they did not know it was possible to go that fast with electric.
Everything they have ever experienced in an EV has been slow; golf
carts, wheel chairs, airport carts... Never a highway electric car.

That is why you will never see a car trying to get around a slow
Tweety, but you will rouinely see cars trying to keep up just to see
what that silly looking thing is that just blew their doors off.

Nothing is a more convincing testiment to EV's than witnessed
performance. You can talk all day long and get smiling nods, but no
one is convinced. It is when they see it that it all becomes real.

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John,

As I've said before the most fun in EV drag racing for me is watching
the fear in the driver's (or rider's) eyes when they are facing the
prospect of getting beat by the Energizer bunny. Denis took out an 1100
Suzuki and a Hayabusa on consecutive runs, one lifted the front wheel
at the line, and one missed two shifts. They had to use a technicality
from the rulebook to beat him. A few weeks before I ran a 22.53 sec
1/4 mile in the Electropolitan but did an awesome 1 wheeled burnout
(luckily on the side of my opponent who was in a hopped up rice burning
car) and he redlighted by a mile. I laughed all the way down the track,
(a very long time). This is the true joy of EV racing for me. Having
smart a__ racers who think they know it all be forced to face something
UNPREDICTABLE that they don't understand, unlike their ridiculous rev
limiters, trans locks, launch boxes, computers, etc... all of which are
designed to take the guess work and uncontrollable variables out of
racing.




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Hello to All,

[email protected] wrote:

that was a good story John, but which car was the first to the finish
line
and won the race?????????????????/



Jim, this is heads up racing, not bracket racing (thank goodness). It's
all about the car, not the driver, so reaction time, red-light...no
red-light, posturing and tricks to confuse the other guy, etc., all
don't matter....it's whoever gets the best ET that wins, which I
included in your referenced in those quotes from me:

>....near identical ramp-ups to speed, followed by a photo finish
>at the end! Final ETs were 12.056 for WZ and 12.062 for the turbo RX7
>
>

White Zombie was the first car across the finish line and was the one
with the best ET as well. Of course, Tim could have sat at the line for
a second longer, then taken off and he would not have been the first to
cross the finish line, but the 'car' would still have turned its 12.056
and would have still been considered the quicker of the two
cars....exactly what those of us promoting EVs want. We want the car
(an
EV) to be the star, not the driver...heads up style racing is the
perfect venue for this.

On Saturday night, in our first run of the night, we went up against a
bright red Pro Stock style Mustang. It was a bodacious looking car with
a huge raised hood cowl reverse-feed hood scoop with God knows what
under it, it had a fully tubbed rear end with most likely a four link
setup, and it was stuffed full of huge foot-wide wrinkle wall slicks.
It
was LOUD and fast, and we all knew it would probably take our little
battery Datsun...it did, but not without a fight. It ran an 11.6 @ 116
mph against WZ's 11.9 @ 109 mph, but there was no doubt which car won
in
the hearts and minds of those cheering in the stands. In this case, the
best ET was not ours, but after the race everyone was gathered around
the EV and not a soul was around the same-old-thing Mustang. Of course,
last month's 1858 lb. lithium version of WZ would have ate that Stang
for dinner :)

See Ya.....John Wayland



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John Wayland wrote:

> On Saturday night, in our first run of the night, we went up against a
> bright red Pro Stock style Mustang. It was a bodacious looking car with
> a huge raised hood cowl reverse-feed hood scoop with God knows what
> under it, it had a fully tubbed rear end with most likely a four link
> setup, and it was stuffed full of huge foot-wide wrinkle wall slicks. It
> was LOUD and fast, and we all knew it would probably take our little
> battery Datsun...it did, but not without a fight. It ran an 11.6 @ 116
> mph against WZ's 11.9 @ 109 mph, but there was no doubt which car won in
> the hearts and minds of those cheering in the stands. In this case, the
> best ET was not ours, but after the race everyone was gathered around
> the EV and not a soul was around the same-old-thing Mustang. Of course,
> last month's 1858 lb. lithium version of WZ would have ate that Stang
> for dinner :)

Some unfortunately blurry pics of John up against the red Mustang. I
should have used a larger aperture for a faster shutter speed, couldn't
tell how badly the pictures were coming out until it was too late:

Burnout:
http://ohmbre.org/gallery/v/ev_events/nedra_races/woodburn/2007/IMG_0028.JPG.html

Tim gets a slight lead at the hole shot:
http://ohmbre.org/gallery/v/ev_events/nedra_races/woodburn/2007/IMG_0029.JPG.html

Earlier in the evening (more light, faster shutter) I happened to be
taking a couple practice pics, and got a better shot of the Mustang
while up against another car. After the WZ raced against it, I decided
to keep it:

http://ohmbre.org/gallery/v/ev_events/nedra_races/woodburn/2007/IMG_0022.JPG.html


I'm still organizing and labeling pictures (I try to have descriptions
on most of the pics in my gallery) and working on a writeup; hopefully I
can post something in a day or so.


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In a message dated 8/21/2007 6:34:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Jim, this is heads up racing, not bracket racing (thank goodness). It's
all about the car, not the driver, so reaction time, red-light...no
red-light, posturing and tricks to confuse the other guy, etc., all
don't matter....it's whoever gets the best ET that wins, which I
included in your referenced in those quotes from me:

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John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local drag strip before your
parents were putting diapers on you.

You may be able to mislead most of the people on the list but not me. Tell
it like it happened, your driver was sleeping on the line and the Mazda kicked
your cars butt...........plain and simple..........right??? don't lie, tell
the truth.

The old man....................still the quickest yada, yada, yada.....

P.S. you almost got that one by me but I can still read.




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> John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local drag strip before your
> parents were putting diapers on you.
>
> You may be able to mislead most of the people on the list but not me. Tell
> it like it happened, your driver was sleeping on the line and the Mazda kicked
> your cars butt...........plain and simple..........right??? don't lie, tell
> the truth.
>
> The old man....................still the quickest yada, yada, yada.....
>
> P.S. you almost got that one by me but I can still read.


Hi Jim,

I think you are barking up the wrong tree here. First of all, WZ is running on an open drags night, and there is absolutely nothing at stake. None of the spectators, which I am one of the most frequent ones, can even see the end of the track because of the way it is laid out with a bridge over the top about halfway down. In fact the racers often can't see the end of the track themselves because it is only marked by a couple of cones at the end. They often guess as to when they should lift. There is never an indication of who crossed the line first. You get a clear view of the launch, and from the score board you can see each racers reaction time. As the cars dissapear out of view your eyes switch over to the score boards where they change over to each drivers trap speed and finally their final ETs. We all have to wait for the ETs to be posted to know who won the race.

Perhaps on the time slips there is a line that indicates who crossed the line first, although I am not sure one way or the other on that. Of all the races I've been to I've never seen any indication of who crossed first.

Also, Tim usually has some of the better reaction times, perhaps because he doesn't have a clutch to slow him down.

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--- [email protected] wrote:

> John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local
> drag strip before your
> parents were putting diapers on you.
>
> You may be able to mislead most of the people on the
> list but not me. Tell
> it like it happened, your driver was sleeping on the
> line and the Mazda kicked
> your cars butt...........plain and
> simple..........right??? don't lie, tell
> the truth.
>
> The old man....................still the quickest
> yada, yada, yada.....
>
> P.S. you almost got that one by me but I can still
> read.

Hey Jim

I've been reading your posts and to honest it seems
you are trying to sow strife here! There is nothing
positive or constructive in any of your remarks! In
reality what do you care as to who's faster between
John and Dennis? Besides having what appears to be an
Everest sized chip on your shoulder!

I just spent my whole Saturday hanging out at Markos
shop trying to offer help and advise to Mike K so he
could turn up his controller and juice down the track
faster. Believe me, I had better (okay funner) things
to have done with my time! Being that he'd come all
the way from San Diego I wanted him to do his best
regardless of whether he "beat" Waylands time or not!
Somewhere along the way you lost that community
commitment, at least that is how it reads.

As most people here know, I have no problem speaking
my mind 8^o (it's what EVil twins do best 8^) FWIW
Even though you've had many past successes I've found
that I have lost a lot of respect for you in your
brash "all about me" attitude!

BTW John no longer drives the Zombie, he's deligated
that job to a younger man. We all grow old, we'll all
die and the only thing that will survive are our
actions, both past and present! Just something to
think about.

Maybe you should change your email address to "MrWent
Fast" and stop bad mouthing those who are still out
there racing and trying to do the best they can! while
having fun dong it!!!

Opinions are like a**holes EVeryone has one 8^) do
with this as you feel fit ;^) I for one am tired of
hearing you bash the guys who are doing great things
for the EV community 8^(

This has nothing to do with me as I have very little
pride to crush but I doubt anyone likes having their
deeds deminished. With that said I doubt anyone has
any bad words about what you did when John was in
diapers 8^P

Just my rebuttle to your strife filled posts here
these days.

Jim Husted
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Hi Jim;

THANKS! You said it! Better than I coulda. Ya know if ALL these parties
throwing grenades at each other were to sit down at, lets say, that Mexican
Place we used to go to, near Johns in PDX? Over a good dinner, spirits
flowing, all thse differences would be settled out in good spirit! I would
be happy to pick up the tab, EVen. After a afternoon with the trak RENTED
for All the EV's in question to RUN, get out there and test 'n tune, a bit
too.After having all the cars flown in in my chartered cargo jet, from
Fedex, with Lister Rob Neighbors driving ? No 1000 plus trailer halls! I can
dream, still?

Like the guy said in LA" Can't we all get along"?Without the verbal
beating up? Was that BEFORE LAPD beat the S*** out of him?Will the beatings
continue until morale improves?

From Afar

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Husted" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>

>
> --- [email protected] wrote:
>
>> John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local............

> Hey Jim
>
> I've been reading your posts and to honest it seems
> you are trying to sow strife here! There is nothing
> positive or constructive in any of your remarks! In
> reality what do you care as to who's faster between
> John and Dennis? Besides having what appears to be an
> Everest sized chip on your shoulder!
>
> I just spent my whole Saturday hanging out at Markos
> shop trying to offer help and advise to Mike K so he
> could turn up his controller and juice down the track
> faster. Believe me, I had better (okay funner) things
> to have done with my time! Being that he'd come all
> the way from San Diego I wanted him to do his best
> regardless of whether he "beat" Waylands time or not!
> Somewhere along the way you lost that community
> commitment, at least that is how it reads.
>
> As most people here know, I have no problem speaking
> my mind 8^o (it's what EVil twins do best 8^) FWIW
> Even though you've had many past successes I've found
> that I have lost a lot of respect for you in your
> brash "all about me" attitude!
>
> BTW John no longer drives the Zombie, he's deligated
> that job to a younger man. We all grow old, we'll all
> die and the only thing that will survive are our
> actions, both past and present! Just something to
> think about.
>
> Maybe you should change your email address to "MrWent
> Fast" and stop bad mouthing those who are still out
> there racing and trying to do the best they can! while
> having fun dong it!!!
>
> Opinions are like a**holes EVeryone has one 8^) do
> with this as you feel fit ;^) I for one am tired of
> hearing you bash the guys who are doing great things
> for the EV community 8^(
>
> This has nothing to do with me as I have very little
> pride to crush but I doubt anyone likes having their
> deeds deminished. With that said I doubt anyone has
> any bad words about what you did when John was in
> diapers 8^P
>
> Just my rebuttle to your strife filled posts here
> these days.
>
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
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