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I recently saw a site selling the male and female AVCON parts but I
can't find it now. The EAA lists the metal box but that's not where I
saw it- Thanks.

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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

>I recently saw a site selling the male and female AVCON parts but I
> can't find it now. The EAA lists the metal box but that's not where I
> saw it- Thanks.

There is someone selling Avcon connectors, but they're ex US Electricar
stock and are the European version.

Paul Compton
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www.sciroccoev.co.uk
www.bvs.org.uk
www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.compton.vispa.com/the_named

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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

I would be interested in the European variant of the
Avcon connector, especially if either a second damaged
connector is included, or a spare power pin (rectangular)
as I have a car with a modified receptacle for the
European Avcon; the mod is to have 3 square pins in a
row, for transport of 3-phase power....
http://www.geocities.com/cor_van_de_water/USE/AVCON_modified_for_3_phase.jpg

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Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

>I recently saw a site selling the male and female AVCON parts but I
>can't find it now. The EAA lists the metal box but that's not where I
>saw it- Thanks.

There is someone selling Avcon connectors, but they're ex US Electricar stock and are the European version.

Paul Compton
www.evguru.co.uk
www.sciroccoev.co.uk
www.bvs.org.uk
www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.compton.vispa.com/the_named

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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

I recommend the only remaining AVCON maker:

www.avconev.com

They sell both the charging stations as well as the inlets.

Todd Martin
VP, FVEAA


Mark Dutko wrote:
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> I recently saw a site selling the male and female AVCON parts but I
> can't find it now. The EAA lists the metal box but that's not where I
> saw it- Thanks.
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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

Cor,

There are some European AVCON handles and inlets listed on this page:
http://www.partsonsale.com/evparts.html

Ralph


Cor van de Water writes:
>
> I would be interested in the European variant of the
> Avcon connector, especially if either a second damaged
> connector is included, or a spare power pin (rectangular)
> as I have a car with a modified receptacle for the
> European Avcon; the mod is to have 3 square pins in a
> row, for transport of 3-phase power....
> http://www.geocities.com/cor_van_de_water/USE/AVCON_modified_for_3_phase.jpg
>
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
> Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
> Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
> Fax: +1 408 731 3675 eFAX: +31-87-784-1130
> Second Life: www.secondlife.com/?u=3b42cb3f4ae249319edb487991c30acb
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Compton
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:56 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED
>
> >I recently saw a site selling the male and female AVCON parts but I
> >can't find it now. The EAA lists the metal box but that's not where I
> >saw it- Thanks.
>
> There is someone selling Avcon connectors, but they're ex US Electricar stock and are the European version.
>
> Paul Compton
> www.evguru.co.uk
> www.sciroccoev.co.uk
> www.bvs.org.uk
> www.morini-mania.co.uk
> www.compton.vispa.com/the_named
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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

Evan Tuer wrote:
> All European vehicles have this connector, and all of them have it
> connected to the pack as intended. Of course you're not in Europe,
> but still, it's a standard :)

Evan, since you are "on the scene", could you describe more fully what
connectors are being used for EV charging in Europe? I'm not sure what
the above-mentioned "this connector" refers to.

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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

Hi Lee,

i can answer with pictures, all french EV cars from PSA and Renault use
Marechal AVCON system:

http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Saxo11.jpg
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Saxo12.jpg
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Saxo13.jpg
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Saxo14.jpg
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Saxo15.jpg

http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Saxo.html

Philippe



2007/10/17, Lee Hart <[email protected]>:
>
> Evan Tuer wrote:
> > All European vehicles have this connector, and all of them have it
> > connected to the pack as intended. Of course you're not in Europe,
> > but still, it's a standard :)
>
> Evan, since you are "on the scene", could you describe more fully what
> connectors are being used for EV charging in Europe? I'm not sure what
> the above-mentioned "this connector" refers to.
>
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> Forget the perfect offering
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> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

>> The typical AVCON connection is only providing AC power to an on-board
>> charger, which then provides DC power to the battery pack.
>
> Indeed, and the typical European Avcon connection can also provide DC
> power from an external charger. That was my point, but nobody seems
> to believe it ;)

http://www.partsonsale.com/avconschematcs1.html

Paul Compton
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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

Ah, thanks Paul,
I seem to have spoken too quickly, as the AC pins
apparently are two small pins, not the big guys that
apparently are designed to carry DC, which would indeed
imply the pack is directly (fused) connected to these
two pins, while the AC goes over two other pins.

It baffles me that this is such an easy way to access
the pack without any means to physically lockout access
as a simple push in the bottom of the receptacle will
unlock the mechanism to expose all pins, so there is
no guaranteed safety - not more than there is on a
"child-proofed" kitchen cabinet.
I would expect that a pilot signal would need to be
sent to the receptacle to engage a contactor which
would at least avoid nosy bystanders to get shocked.
(The pilot signal may be the contactor coil activation)

Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

>> The typical AVCON connection is only providing AC power to an
>> on-board charger, which then provides DC power to the battery pack.
>
> Indeed, and the typical European Avcon connection can also provide DC
> power from an external charger. That was my point, but nobody seems
> to believe it ;)

http://www.partsonsale.com/avconschematcs1.html

Paul Compton
www.evguru.co.uk
www.sciroccoev.co.uk
www.bvs.org.uk
www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.compton.vispa.com/the_named

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Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

Cor van de Water, respectfuly, it seems clearly you are talking about a
system you are not aware of...
You can't access DC pins, never !
such system is very secure: no Male plug presence equal no contact apparent.
Only when male plug is engage and locked then contacts are accessible....to
himself contacts only as he cover totaly the female contacts.
where is the chock risk ? even a sheet of paper don't pass between plug and
receptacle.

i hope to have clarified this plug system understanding, very easy and sure
imho.
Philippe
happy Marechal AVCON plug system user since july 2000


2007/10/19, Cor van de Water <[email protected]>:
>
> Ah, thanks Paul,
> I seem to have spoken too quickly, as the AC pins
> apparently are two small pins, not the big guys that
> apparently are designed to carry DC, which would indeed
> imply the pack is directly (fused) connected to these
> two pins, while the AC goes over two other pins.
>
> It baffles me that this is such an easy way to access
> the pack without any means to physically lockout access
> as a simple push in the bottom of the receptacle will
> unlock the mechanism to expose all pins, so there is
> no guaranteed safety - not more than there is on a
> "child-proofed" kitchen cabinet.
> I would expect that a pilot signal would need to be
> sent to the receptacle to engage a contactor which
> would at least avoid nosy bystanders to get shocked.
> (The pilot signal may be the contactor coil activation)
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
>
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Hi Philippe,

Since I have the receptacle on my truck,
this is what I found:
In the bottom corners of the receptacle, sticking out from the
"flat wall with holes" there is a triangle that apparently
connects to the mechanical latch of the wall, so when you
push the triangles in (like the female plug does) then the
wall swings backwards and all pins are exposed.

Since I have no plug, this was the only way I could show you
the layout of the pins exposed as you can see in the picture.
Did you check the photo of me holding the receptacle in so
all pins are actually exposed?
http://www.geocities.com/cor_van_de_water/USE/AVCON_modified_for_3_phase.jpg

I bet you can easily do this on your vehicle as well.
Note that the "wall with holes" has another sliding plate
behind it to cover the pins when the triangles are extended,
otherwise you can touch the pins through the large holes.
You see this that as soon as you push the triangles down
to unlatch the receptacle, the pins will show as they a
located immediately behind the plate and the holes are large.

One the receptacle is unlatched, it is easy to hold it down
so you can then measure if there is indeed battery pack
voltage on the large pins, that will prove the matter....

Regards,

Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED

Cor van de Water, respectfuly, it seems clearly you are talking about a system you are not aware of...
You can't access DC pins, never !
such system is very secure: no Male plug presence equal no contact apparent.
Only when male plug is engage and locked then contacts are accessible....to himself contacts only as he cover totaly the female contacts.
where is the chock risk ? even a sheet of paper don't pass between plug and receptacle.

i hope to have clarified this plug system understanding, very easy and sure imho.
Philippe
happy Marechal AVCON plug system user since july 2000


2007/10/19, Cor van de Water <[email protected]>:
>
> Ah, thanks Paul,
> I seem to have spoken too quickly, as the AC pins apparently are two
> small pins, not the big guys that apparently are designed to carry DC,
> which would indeed imply the pack is directly (fused) connected to
> these two pins, while the AC goes over two other pins.
>
> It baffles me that this is such an easy way to access the pack without
> any means to physically lockout access as a simple push in the bottom
> of the receptacle will unlock the mechanism to expose all pins, so
> there is no guaranteed safety - not more than there is on a
> "child-proofed" kitchen cabinet.
> I would expect that a pilot signal would need to be sent to the
> receptacle to engage a contactor which would at least avoid nosy
> bystanders to get shocked.
> (The pilot signal may be the contactor coil activation)
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
>
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