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They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and
> > bandaids here
> > and there, and then I walked several blocks back to
> > the convention
> > center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
> >
> > Bill D. (the idiot)
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Well Bill I think that says it all. I'm sure you won't get on that bike
again without a helmet and a real course in front of you. It certainly is a
lesson to all of us experimenting with EV's. After seeing the video and
having that sinking feeling when you were laying on your back I am so glad
Killacycle didn't live up to its name. Uhhh I'm feeling a little guilty but
I nominated you for a Darwin Award. Lawrence Rhodes.......Real smart people
do screw up, but it's at a higher level.

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Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the stock
"Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
either brake.

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I've had similar issue with my bike. With the brake and throttle on
the same hand an no clutch to disconnect power it is easy to be
applying power to the throttle when applying the brake or
inadvertently by just touching the throttle. The bike goes forward
when you do this........iit is not like driving a gas powered bike
with a clutch. me
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Tim Clevenger wrote:
> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the stock
> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
> either brake.
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get one of those safety switches from jet skys.


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In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:27:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
week?

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Yes, with an Army of talent, go for it.

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In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:46:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Add a switchable accelerometer circuit that shuts down power if acceleration
exceeds some limit.



Hard to set records with that...............................duh




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In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:57:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Other thoughts, maybe a detector for rear brake application, or maybe a
different front brake to be used during burnouts and staging, with the
normal front brake as well as the rear brake immediately killing the drive.
I'd give some thought to what a rider might instintively do and use that
input to shut down. Conscious thought is too slow and unpredictable.

Not if your a seasoned rider, they can and do perform miracles..




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>Not if you're a seasoned rider, they can and do perform miracles..


This is exactly the point and why I am an idiot. I have no business
driving a machine of this performance level. I really knew this (and
actually said it) but I didn't listen to myself.

I am not experienced enough (and frankly too old) to be driving a 400
HP drag bike. I don't do it often enough, regardless of my experience and age.

As I told Scotty Pollacheck yesterday, "I promise never to drive YOUR
motorcycle again."

Problem solved. Professional drivers only. No "idiots" allowed on the bike.

Bill Dube'

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I really dont like the title of this thread. Maybe
change it to safety awareness or some such.

Do you really need the full pack voltage or amperage
for shows? Is it possible to keep it simple and
install a switch for just shows that reduces the packs
amps in half for burnout demos? Or maybe even further
for rolling around, I mean what if this happened when
someone is trying to get it in the trailer or on a
podium?

--- Derek Barger wrote:

> A weight on the ground is silly and dangerous. If
> the cable get
> tangled in the rear tire it fling the weight into
> someone. A switch
> on the front tire that if you push against it might
> work if you hit it
> or a sensor on the front wheel it it turns more
> than one revolution
> might work. I knew something bad was going to
> happen. I asked Bill if
> he had insurance on the bike. There are other things
> I said but it
> looks like I was ignored on those points. Bill has
> never done a
> burnout before on this battery pack that I know of.
> He just wasn't use
> to the great power of the A123 cells.
>
> Derek Barger
> Killacycle team
>
> On 9/15/07, Marty Hewes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > When this bike is capable of going something like
> 0-40 MPH in less time than
> > human reaction time, I think automatic shutoffs
> need to be considered.
> > During burnouts anyplace but at a dragstrip, I
> really think there ought to
> > be a weight on the ground with a cord to a Jet Ski
> type dead man's switch.
> > If the bike moves more than a few feet, the switch
> should kill the motor
> > faster than the rider can react. Let's face it,
> on a machine like this,
> > there isn't time for concious thought even by a
> seasoned rider. If I were
> > on it, and had to make a decision as to which kill
> switch to use, or whether
> > letting go of the front brake to turn the throttle
> back was a good idea,
> > it'd all be over but the funeral by the time I
> took any action.
> >
> > Other thoughts, maybe a detector for rear brake
> application, or maybe a
> > different front brake to be used during burnouts
> and staging, with the
> > normal front brake as well as the rear brake
> immediately killing the drive.
> > I'd give some thought to what a rider might
> instintively do and use that
> > input to shut down. Conscious thought is too slow
> and unpredictable.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derek Barger" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin
> Award.
> >
> >
> > > There is 3 different kill switches on the bike.
> Bill is always telling
> > > me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that
> tells the zilla to
> > > launch if you push that and the throttle is
> turned on at the same time
> > > it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it
> was right next to his
> > > thumb on the throttle side.
> > >
> > > What I am not looking forward to is fixing the
> Killacycle it is going
> > > to take alot of work. Does anyone think that
> this can be fixed in a
> > > week?
> > >
> > > Derek Barger
> > > KillaCycle Team
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated
> kill switch. Maybe the
> > >> stock
> > >> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power
> without having to lift off
> > >> either brake.
> > >>
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In a message dated 9/15/2007 11:43:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


This is exactly the point and why I am an idiot. I have no business
driving a machine of this performance level. I really knew this (and
actually said it) but I didn't listen to myself.

I am not experienced enough (and frankly too old) to be driving a 400
HP drag bike. I don't do it often enough, regardless of my experience and
age.

As I told Scotty Pollacheck yesterday, "I promise never to drive YOUR
motorcycle again."

Problem solved. Professional drivers only. No "idiots" allowed on the bike.

Bill Dube'

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Bill, don't be to hard on yourself, I know you learned your lesson but use
your energy now to get the bike ready for next week, you can kick yourself
later.

Jim




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No need to be so hard on yourself, Bill. Proving your humanity after years
of high accomplishment is pretty endearing. This might end up being the best
publicity team Killacycle could hope for. Next time your publicity agent
suggests such a stunt though, tell him to provide a stunt double (I doubt
Scotty is willing)!

On a seriou note, I have a fairly light work schedule after Tuesday this
week. If you need another hand at the shop, even to play gopher, let me
know. I have 24 years of fabrication and mechanical maintenance experience,
so I should be able to hand you a Fluke meter (or cut and weld in a frame
cross-brace) upon request ;)

Lon Hull,
503-880-8053
Portland, OR


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>
>>
>>Not if you're a seasoned rider, they can and do perform miracles..
>
>
> This is exactly the point and why I am an idiot. I have no business
> driving a machine of this performance level. I really knew this (and
> actually said it) but I didn't listen to myself.
>
> I am not experienced enough (and frankly too old) to be driving a 400
> HP drag bike. I don't do it often enough, regardless of my experience and
> age.
>
> As I told Scotty Pollacheck yesterday, "I promise never to drive YOUR
> motorcycle again."
>
> Problem solved. Professional drivers only. No "idiots" allowed on the
> bike.
>
> Bill Dube'
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