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[email protected],
Many are not understanding that the chargers are actually installed on the
car that will run on either 120VAC or 240VAC. They will give you the 120V
cord for cheap and charge you a fortune for the 240V cord. Thats all a
"Charge Station" is, is a cord. You can take 240VAC from an installed GFCI
in your garage and put it on the two inlet pins along with a ground, and
make sure the proximity circuit tells the charger when the plug is in and
you're good to go. Its really no different that plugging in your stove or
your dryer, except they want you to buy a real expensive extension cord that
can talk to your car, relay info via Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, average, graph, track
all your power consumption and probably even tell your coffee pot when to
turn on in the morning.

The charger is on the car. Make sure the breaker, cable and plugs are rated
for more than the charger can pull and plug it into a NEMA receptacle. But
I'd never recommend anyone actually do this ;-)

Mike

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Childress, Matthew
<[email protected]>wrote:

> Indeed, I'm aware you don't have to buy the charger and can charge on
> 120. But I'm specifically talking the average Jack or Jill. In that
> case
>
> Do you think that the average car salesperson will:
>
> a) be as aware of it as we are?
> b) if they are aware, wish to lessen their commission by
> informing the customer?
>
> The pitch will sound something like this: "Here is the LEAF, here is
> the special charging station you need to have us install in your garage
> that will charge it full overnight or while you're sitting at your desk
> at work (8 hours). You can charge it on 120, but it will take all day
> (20 hours)..."
>
> I understand that this 20-hour figure is from an "empty" battery pack.
> But Jack/Jill won't.
>
> While you and I (and most on this list) are willing to put up with some
> inconvenience until a better/cheaper option is available, I wonder what
> Jill will do? I wonder what using a non-Nissan charger will do to your
> warranty. Hmm...
>
> The charge times are from NissanUSA's website after a googling of "leaf
> home charging station"
>
> [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Willie McKemie
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:25 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Business?
>
>
Matthew wrote:
>
> > Remember that for the average Jill, that $32k Leaf or $41k Volt comes
> > with an additional $2k per charging station... one at work, one at
> home,
> > one at the in-laws... with the Leaf it'll be mandatory, with the PHEV
> > you can "get by" with 3-prong 120 overnight.
>
> No, it is not necessary to buy the exorbitantly priced charging
> station. I ordered mine without and intend to 110v charge until a more
> reasonable charging station product is offered. There are already
> several announced at prices of less than $1,000. I wouldn't be
> surprised to see $200 charging stations available in the near future.
>
> For discussion of Leaf issues, see:
> http://www.mynissanleaf.com/index.php
>
> BTW, I mostly charge my EV (which has a longer range than a Leaf) with
> a 1.5KW charger; that should be about the power of the Leaf 110v
> charger.
>
> --
> Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog!
> http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
> Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 32 days 13 hours 18 minutes
>
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Sounds pretty simple,
Install a NEMA 6-15 or 6-20 outlet with 240V supply
and use a NEMA 5-15 to 6-15 conversion cord to plug
in the Volt at 240V.
Make sure you mark the conversion cord (the only "illegal" part)
with Danger marks and 240V warnings and add a label
"For EV parking only" or something similar legally
acceptable ;-)
(Note: only on the conversion cable - not on the outlet
because that is a normal and acceptable thing in your
garage - you probably have a handful of them in there
and possibly even on the outside of your house. I was
planning to add a weather-protected NEMA 6-20 next to
the existing outdoor NEMA 5-15 on the outside of my
garage next to my driveway, so I could draw double the
power without awakening any watchdogs as the outlets
look exactly the same, especially when closed and at
the same time nobody can accidentally plug in a 110V
appliance - I was planning a cord long enough to
directly reach my car so it would not be possible to
accidentally plug anything else in.)

And of course I legally do not suggest that you
actually make such a dangerous cord...
It may actually work!

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mike Willmon
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:16 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Charge Stations (was EV Business?)

[email protected],
Many are not understanding that the chargers are actually installed on
the car that will run on either 120VAC or 240VAC. They will give you
the 120V
cord for cheap and charge you a fortune for the 240V cord. Thats all a
"Charge Station" is, is a cord. You can take 240VAC from an installed
GFCI in your garage and put it on the two inlet pins along with a
ground, and make sure the proximity circuit tells the charger when the
plug is in and you're good to go. Its really no different that plugging
in your stove or your dryer, except they want you to buy a real
expensive extension cord that can talk to your car, relay info via
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, average, graph, track all your power consumption and
probably even tell your coffee pot when to turn on in the morning.

The charger is on the car. Make sure the breaker, cable and plugs are
rated for more than the charger can pull and plug it into a NEMA
receptacle. But I'd never recommend anyone actually do this ;-)

Mike

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Childress, Matthew
<[email protected]>wrote:

> Indeed, I'm aware you don't have to buy the charger and can charge on
> 120. But I'm specifically talking the average Jack or Jill. In that
> case
>
> Do you think that the average car salesperson will:
>
> a) be as aware of it as we are?
> b) if they are aware, wish to lessen their commission by
> informing the customer?
>
> The pitch will sound something like this: "Here is the LEAF, here is
> the special charging station you need to have us install in your
> garage that will charge it full overnight or while you're sitting at
> your desk at work (8 hours). You can charge it on 120, but it will
> take all day (20 hours)..."
>
> I understand that this 20-hour figure is from an "empty" battery pack.
> But Jack/Jill won't.
>
> While you and I (and most on this list) are willing to put up with
> some inconvenience until a better/cheaper option is available, I
> wonder what Jill will do? I wonder what using a non-Nissan charger
> will do to your warranty. Hmm...
>
> The charge times are from NissanUSA's website after a googling of
> "leaf home charging station"
>
> [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Willie McKemie
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:25 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Business?
>
>
Matthew wrote:
>
> > Remember that for the average Jill, that $32k Leaf or $41k Volt
> > comes with an additional $2k per charging station... one at work,
> > one at
> home,
> > one at the in-laws... with the Leaf it'll be mandatory, with the
> > PHEV you can "get by" with 3-prong 120 overnight.
>
> No, it is not necessary to buy the exorbitantly priced charging
> station. I ordered mine without and intend to 110v charge until a
> more reasonable charging station product is offered. There are
> already several announced at prices of less than $1,000. I wouldn't
> be surprised to see $200 charging stations available in the near
future.
>
> For discussion of Leaf issues, see:
> http://www.mynissanleaf.com/index.php
>
> BTW, I mostly charge my EV (which has a longer range than a Leaf) with

> a 1.5KW charger; that should be about the power of the Leaf 110v
> charger.
>
> --
> Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog!
> http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
> Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 32 days 13 hours 18 minutes
>
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