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I mentioned a few days back on the S-10 list serve that a few 1997
Chevrolet S-10EV trucks are being auctioned by GovLiquidation.

A total of three this month are coming out of Marietta GA. Links are
below.

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398404

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398378

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398377

As usual, they're loaded with dead acid batteries, and may well have
underlying issues.

More will be appearing over the next two months.

As always, I've no interest in purchasing these vehicles.

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Funny the pictures in the add show a gas engine????????

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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:30 AM
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Subject: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned

(forwarded to evdl list serve)

I mentioned a few days back on the S-10 list serve that a few 1997
Chevrolet S-10EV trucks are being auctioned by GovLiquidation.

A total of three this month are coming out of Marietta GA. Links are
below.

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398404

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398378

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398377

As usual, they're loaded with dead acid batteries, and may well have
underlying issues.

More will be appearing over the next two months.

As always, I've no interest in purchasing these vehicles.

http://www.evbones.com

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Um, as an owner of similar truck, what I see in the pics looks like the
top of an inverter bay to me. Factory built electric, and an open guess
as to how many problems it may have.


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> Funny the pictures in the add show a gas engine????????
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> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398378
> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398377

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On 18 Oct 2007 at 13:34, Jim Coate wrote:

> an open guess
> as to how many problems it may have.

In the worst case, you're buying a glider from which you can remove the dead
EV components. You can always re-convert it using standard, supported EV
components. I remember someone on the EVDL who did that with a dead USE
pickup probably 10 years ago or more.

If I were interested in owning an EV pickup (which I'm not) I would bid
accordingly (that is, bid as if they were gliders).

However, given the current intense interest in EVs, I wouldn't be surprised
to see them go for much more than they're really worth.

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Does anyone have any more info on these trucks?
What company built them? What brand electronics?

Al

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned


> Um, as an owner of similar truck, what I see in the pics looks like the
> top of an inverter bay to me. Factory built electric, and an open guess
> as to how many problems it may have.
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Funny the pictures in the add show a gas engine????????
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398404
>> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398378
>> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398377
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Al wrote:
>Does anyone have any more info on these trucks?
>What company built them? What brand electronics?

These appear to be the actual GM electric S-10EVs, the truck version
of the EV1. Despite the conventional S-10 body they are front wheel
drive, limited cargo capacity, and just about completely unsuitable
for use as gliders for a conventional conversion as the chassis and
suspension are pretty strange. The original Delphi batteries were
crap and they are an odd size which make retrofitting difficult.

Most of these were crushed, but as you see a few survived. If you
have seen Who Killed the Electric Car, these are the pickups mixed in
with the EV1s. Parts are going to be a real problem as GM has
dropped all support.

There is some data on the web at:

Http://evalbum.com/722

and

http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S10_EV

and

http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/eva/chvs10.pdf

These don't look like a project for the faint of heart. I've been
driving EVs for 17 years and I wouldn't go near one. On the other
hand, when working they would be pretty cool.


Thanks,



Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html

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Of course don't forget that Otmar has one of these special drivetrain units=
stuffed into his Insight with the prototype Tri-Zilla feeding it... It co=
uld make for a very sweet conversion with Otmar's help down the road.

damon

> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:23:23 -0500
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned
>
> Al wrote:
>>Does anyone have any more info on these trucks?
>>What company built them? What brand electronics?
>
> These appear to be the actual GM electric S-10EVs, the truck version
> of the EV1. Despite the conventional S-10 body they are front wheel
> drive, limited cargo capacity, and just about completely unsuitable
> for use as gliders for a conventional conversion as the chassis and
> suspension are pretty strange. The original Delphi batteries were
> crap and they are an odd size which make retrofitting difficult.
>
> Most of these were crushed, but as you see a few survived. If you
> have seen Who Killed the Electric Car, these are the pickups mixed in
> with the EV1s. Parts are going to be a real problem as GM has
> dropped all support.
>
> There is some data on the web at:
>
> Http://evalbum.com/722
>
> and
>
> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S10_EV
>
> and
>
> http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/eva/chvs10.pdf
>
> These don't look like a project for the faint of heart. I've been
> driving EVs for 17 years and I wouldn't go near one. On the other
> hand, when working they would be pretty cool.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
> EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
> Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
> Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
>
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> position. (Horace)
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850 lbs of payload capacity does not sound too limiting to me.
Indeed they are uncommon in their FWD for a truck, the big
advantage is of course that there is no driveshaft cutting
the battery box in two, as in all other trucks like my
US Electricar, so it allows more battery space.
I have frequently seen people upgrade trucks from odd
battery voltage and shape to a more common battery type
and the main concerns were how to make the BMS happy and
if there is a programmed charge profile, how to update that.
Other than that - these 3 trucks appear to have been in
service between 10,000 and 36,000 miles which indicates that
the last one had at least one new pack, but likely they
are all dead now, that is almost a given.
I am tempted to bid, but have already too much on my hands
as it is. I would consider these trucks an EV with already
installed motor (likely in good shape) and instrumentation
and battery box, but with question marks regarding the
operation of the electronics (though that usually can be fixed)
and a bad pack. I would bid accordingly, in that respect
the bids between $0 and $962 are very low at the moment.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Chancey
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:23 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned

Al wrote:
>Does anyone have any more info on these trucks?
>What company built them? What brand electronics?

These appear to be the actual GM electric S-10EVs, the truck version of the EV1. Despite the conventional S-10 body they are front wheel drive, limited cargo capacity, and just about completely unsuitable for use as gliders for a conventional conversion as the chassis and suspension are pretty strange. The original Delphi batteries were crap and they are an odd size which make retrofitting difficult.

Most of these were crushed, but as you see a few survived. If you have seen Who Killed the Electric Car, these are the pickups mixed in with the EV1s. Parts are going to be a real problem as GM has dropped all support.

There is some data on the web at:

Http://evalbum.com/722

and

http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S10_EV

and

http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/eva/chvs10.pdf

These don't look like a project for the faint of heart. I've been driving EVs for 17 years and I wouldn't go near one. On the other hand, when working they would be pretty cool.


Thanks,



Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html

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This also also http://www.evbones.com as a resource for these trucks.

Oddly enough GM "we crushed the EV1's because keeping the parts supply
going was too much of a liability" *does* still have certain parts
available for this trucks. However, some parts are indeed obsolete
requiring a used one to be found. EV bones has replacement NiMH
batteries, various reliability upgrade services, and may have some other
(used) parts from time to time.

Unlike typical conversions, it is not a good "mix & match" vehicle.
Because all the computer systems can not be custom programmed and are
tightly tied together, you can't just stick in different size batteries
or use one of Rudman's chargers. I'd suggest either restoring to stock
or plan on a complete new drive train.

But they are indeed fun to drive :)


Mike Chancey wrote:
>
> Most of these were crushed, but as you see a few survived. If you
> have seen Who Killed the Electric Car, these are the pickups mixed in
> with the EV1s. Parts are going to be a real problem as GM has
> dropped all support.
>
> There is some data on the web at:
>
> Http://evalbum.com/722
>
> and
>
> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S10_EV
>
> and
>
> http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/eva/chvs10.pdf
>
> These don't look like a project for the faint of heart. I've been
> driving EVs for 17 years and I wouldn't go near one. On the other
> hand, when working they would be pretty cool.
>


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I understand that these trucks would likely have
ordinary sealed lead-acid batteries, for which
there are plenty replacements, even though some type
of replacements may need a re-layout of the pack and
making new battery wiring, that is not a large task.

The battery pack is rather small, limiting the range
somewhat, but the performance at 100kW is plenty to
keep up with traffic easily.

It seems that GM removed the SW governed 70 MPH limit
after EV America tested the trucks, although I have
heard that trucks have been recalled to be re-programmed
because the performance was so unlimited that lead-foot
drivers did not get decent range, so GM reduced the
peak performance to limit the abuse of the small pack.

Since my S10 truck has only 60kW and I usually can keep
up with traffic, just need to plan the accel/decel
moments in advance (ie requires driving experience),
I would expect that these trucks are indeed fun to drive.

Early on, nobody considered US Electricar to be repairable
so some have been stripped from the AC drive and motor
and converted to DC motor and controller.
Today we have built up enough knowledge and a few
competent people to rework damage done to the controller
and other components, such that essentially every
US Electricar can be brought back to life.
I bet that a dedicated GM S10 EV club can do the same,
it all depends on how much the members invest their time
and effort into their vehicle.

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:22 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned


This also also http://www.evbones.com as a resource for these trucks.

Oddly enough GM "we crushed the EV1's because keeping the parts supply going was too much of a liability" *does* still have certain parts available for this trucks. However, some parts are indeed obsolete requiring a used one to be found. EV bones has replacement NiMH batteries, various reliability upgrade services, and may have some other
(used) parts from time to time.

Unlike typical conversions, it is not a good "mix & match" vehicle.
Because all the computer systems can not be custom programmed and are tightly tied together, you can't just stick in different size batteries or use one of Rudman's chargers. I'd suggest either restoring to stock or plan on a complete new drive train.

But they are indeed fun to drive :)


Mike Chancey wrote:
>
> Most of these were crushed, but as you see a few survived. If you
> have seen Who Killed the Electric Car, these are the pickups mixed in
> with the EV1s. Parts are going to be a real problem as GM has dropped
> all support.
>
> There is some data on the web at:
>
> Http://evalbum.com/722
>
> and
>
> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S10_EV
>
> and
>
> http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/eva/chvs10.pdf
>
> These don't look like a project for the faint of heart. I've been
> driving EVs for 17 years and I wouldn't go near one. On the other
> hand, when working they would be pretty cool.
>


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There is indeed a mail list just for the GM made S-10's (1997 - 98):
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/s10-ev

As for the factory settings, I doubt the 70 mph speed restriction was
ever lifted, as this (or 72 mph?) translates to 10,000 RPM on the
motor... a limit that likely needs to be respected.

I don't know if some trucks have had the fun screws turned down; mine
doesn't seem to have any such restrictions as the controller allows
serious amounts of lead-footing and resultant battery abuse as desired.


Joseph T. wrote:
>
> There is a mailing list for the electric S-10.

Cor van de Water wrote:
>
> It seems that GM removed the SW governed 70 MPH limit
> after EV America tested the trucks, although I have
> heard that trucks have been recalled to be re-programmed
> because the performance was so unlimited that lead-foot
> drivers did not get decent range, so GM reduced the
> peak performance to limit the abuse of the small pack.


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