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I am looking to do an ev conversion over the next year. I have 3 or 4 possible vehicles that I can use for the conversion - 1985 Honda crx, 1985 toyota tercel hatchback, 1992 accura legend, 1995 or 1996 Plymouth grand voyager (automatic). I need a vehicle that can go 40 or 50 miles on a charge (My farm is about 10 miles from town so it is 20 miles just to go in and back home) and 60+ mph (I live on a rural highway). My first choice would be the crx except that it only seats 2. How do I weigh the merits or problems with each of these vehicles. Obviously the van and the accura are much heavier and would require a stronger motor and more batteries plus the problems with connecting the automatic in the van.

I am not that savvy but have access to some folks who understand electric motors in general and mechanics in general if not electric vehicles. I will likely use a kit but dont know whether it is worth the extra 4 grand for an AC motor over the DC kits. I am not invested in the kit it just seems that for a first project it might be wise. Perhaps there are some resources out there for someone like me who is undereducated in the realm of evs. I am in the Southern Oregon area. Is there anyone in my area that I can use as a resource?

any help would be very appreciated.

Thanks so much

Aliza
Ashland, Oregon

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1) Suggest you see the EVAlbum and see what has been
done before. No sense re-inventing the wheel when you
can copy what has been tried and works well.
2) Mileage requirements are pushing it, especially in
cold weather, on one hand, but perfect when you say 20
mi. there and back. Which is it?
3) Don't do an automatic.
4) I'm in Grants Pass. Is that So. OR enough for
you? (;-p

Best to you; welcome to the list!

--- Aliza <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I am looking to do an ev conversion over the next
> year. I have 3 or 4 possible vehicles that I can
> use for the conversion - 1985 Honda crx, 1985 toyota
> tercel hatchback, 1992 accura legend, 1995 or 1996
> Plymouth grand voyager (automatic). I need a
> vehicle that can go 40 or 50 miles on a charge (My
> farm is about 10 miles from town so it is 20 miles
> just to go in and back home) and 60+ mph (I live on
> a rural highway). My first choice would be the crx
> except that it only seats 2. How do I weigh the
> merits or problems with each of these vehicles.
> Obviously the van and the accura are much heavier
> and would require a stronger motor and more
> batteries plus the problems with connecting the
> automatic in the van.
>
> I am not that savvy but have access to some folks
> who understand electric motors in general and
> mechanics in general if not electric vehicles. I
> will likely use a kit but dont know whether it is
> worth the extra 4 grand for an AC motor over the DC
> kits. I am not invested in the kit it just seems
> that for a first project it might be wise. Perhaps
> there are some resources out there for someone like
> me who is undereducated in the realm of evs. I am
> in the Southern Oregon area. Is there anyone in my
> area that I can use as a resource?
>
> any help would be very appreciated.
>
> Thanks so much
>
> Aliza
> Ashland, Oregon
>
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thanks for the welcome.

I kind of haunt the evalbum LOL. There is a CRX that is intriguing -
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1354 top speed of 80mph and a 40 mile range
for $5,000c - probably cost me $7,000. another guy put a Siemens AC in one
and it pegged the spedometer and has a 70 mile range at 65 mph. He says it
is too powerful for the car and of course it has an $11,000 price tag on the
conversion. The tercel has some conversions already done as well. One of
them is in my utility range and the other two dont come close. The one that
the university did only has a 7 mile range at 35mph - it is in progress it
looks like. My guess is that folks who are converting a tercel probably are
on a really constrained budget so no extras:eek:) No accuras but there are a
couple van conversions - of course they are all manual far as I can see. My
1996 grand caravan is in pretty good shape but with over 200,000 miles on
the original motor and transmission it is on its way out. dont know if
there is a manual option on those though.

I can do the 20 miles but really do want a longer range so I can go to
medford and back - but that would be a 60 mile range and probably require
the AC motor and lots of batteries. Or do I have other options?

Aliza


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bath" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question


> 1) Suggest you see the EVAlbum and see what has been
> done before. No sense re-inventing the wheel when you
> can copy what has been tried and works well.
> 2) Mileage requirements are pushing it, especially in
> cold weather, on one hand, but perfect when you say 20
> mi. there and back. Which is it?
> 3) Don't do an automatic.
> 4) I'm in Grants Pass. Is that So. OR enough for
> you? (;-p
>
> Best to you; welcome to the list!
>
> --- Aliza <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am looking to do an ev conversion over the next
>> year. I have 3 or 4 possible vehicles that I can
>> use for the conversion - 1985 Honda crx, 1985 toyota
>> tercel hatchback, 1992 accura legend, 1995 or 1996
>> Plymouth grand voyager (automatic). I need a
>> vehicle that can go 40 or 50 miles on a charge (My
>> farm is about 10 miles from town so it is 20 miles
>> just to go in and back home) and 60+ mph (I live on
>> a rural highway). My first choice would be the crx
>> except that it only seats 2. How do I weigh the
>> merits or problems with each of these vehicles.
>> Obviously the van and the accura are much heavier
>> and would require a stronger motor and more
>> batteries plus the problems with connecting the
>> automatic in the van.
>>
>> I am not that savvy but have access to some folks
>> who understand electric motors in general and
>> mechanics in general if not electric vehicles. I
>> will likely use a kit but dont know whether it is
>> worth the extra 4 grand for an AC motor over the DC
>> kits. I am not invested in the kit it just seems
>> that for a first project it might be wise. Perhaps
>> there are some resources out there for someone like
>> me who is undereducated in the realm of evs. I am
>> in the Southern Oregon area. Is there anyone in my
>> area that I can use as a resource?
>>
>> any help would be very appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks so much
>>
>> Aliza
>> Ashland, Oregon
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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>
>
> Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? My $20 "CiviWithACord" DVD shows footage
> of my '92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too!
> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
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> wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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yes there is a manual option on the caravans, they are a bit hard to find, but I don't think there is any difference between the transmissions from their front wheel drive cars to the minivans

>
> I kind of haunt the evalbum LOL. There is a CRX that is intriguing -
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1354 top speed of 80mph and a 40 mile range
> for $5,000c - probably cost me $7,000. another guy put a Siemens AC in one
> and it pegged the spedometer and has a 70 mile range at 65 mph. He says it
> is too powerful for the car and of course it has an $11,000 price tag on the
> conversion. The tercel has some conversions already done as well. One of
> them is in my utility range and the other two dont come close. The one that
> the university did only has a 7 mile range at 35mph - it is in progress it
> looks like. My guess is that folks who are converting a tercel probably are
> on a really constrained budget so no extras:eek:) No accuras but there are a
> couple van conversions - of course they are all manual far as I can see. My
> 1996 grand caravan is in pretty good shape but with over 200,000 miles on
> the original motor and transmission it is on its way out. dont know if
> there is a manual option on those though.
>
> I can do the 20 miles but really do want a longer range so I can go to
> medford and back - but that would be a 60 mile range and probably require
> the AC motor and lots of batteries. Or do I have other options?
>
>

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I'll call my transmission guy tomorrow and ask about the complexity with my
model. The van might be a good one to convert then - lots of room for
batteries.

thanks Robert

Aliza
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert harder" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question


>
> yes there is a manual option on the caravans, they are a bit hard to find,
> but I don't think there is any difference between the transmissions from
> their front wheel drive cars to the minivans
>
>>
>> I kind of haunt the evalbum LOL. There is a CRX that is intriguing -
>> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1354 top speed of 80mph and a 40 mile
>> range
>> for $5,000c - probably cost me $7,000. another guy put a Siemens AC in
>> one
>> and it pegged the spedometer and has a 70 mile range at 65 mph. He says
>> it
>> is too powerful for the car and of course it has an $11,000 price tag on
>> the
>> conversion. The tercel has some conversions already done as well. One
>> of
>> them is in my utility range and the other two dont come close. The one
>> that
>> the university did only has a 7 mile range at 35mph - it is in progress
>> it
>> looks like. My guess is that folks who are converting a tercel probably
>> are
>> on a really constrained budget so no extras:eek:) No accuras but there are
>> a
>> couple van conversions - of course they are all manual far as I can see.
>> My
>> 1996 grand caravan is in pretty good shape but with over 200,000 miles on
>> the original motor and transmission it is on its way out. dont know if
>> there is a manual option on those though.
>>
>> I can do the 20 miles but really do want a longer range so I can go to
>> medford and back - but that would be a 60 mile range and probably require
>> the AC motor and lots of batteries. Or do I have other options?
>>
>>
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Aliza wrote:

> I can do the 20 miles but really do want a longer range so I can go to
> medford and back - but that would be a 60 mile range and probably
> require
> the AC motor and lots of batteries. Or do I have other options?

Yes, charging in Medford is an option. Batteries typically charge
pretty quickly (if you have the charger for it) between 20% and 80%
state of charge. If you have friends or businesses that you regularly
frequent in Medford they may be willing to provide some charging. A
Manzanita Micro charger working full tilt only uses between 25 cents
and 1 dollar of electricity per hour depending on the model and the
input voltage. A dollar of electricity should be good for around 30
miles, perhaps more.

Paul Gooch

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If you want a cheap ride, don't care what others think, don't care about
safety, and no one will ever ride with you, then look at a small car that is
very light. Look on craigslist for a non runner to use. I got mine for $150.
Now gut the car of everything you can find. Remove all the seats except the
driver seat. Remove gas tank, muffler, any brackets not needed, spare tire,
remove console, remove plastic panels, seat belts, and etc. You could even
start removing chunks of metal in circle from the car to reduce the weight
more. A 1994 geo metro weighs 1650lbs as sold. The engine, alternator, and
various pipes, weighs about 150lbs. Removal of A/C and tubes, fans will
remove another 40-50lbs. A lighter EV will require less batteries to get the
same range. Still if you gutted it down to say 800lbs and then added back
800lbs for the conversion you are back at 1600lbs. I doubt it could be
gutted down to 800lbs unless metal was removed and then it might not hold
the batteries or fall apart when hit. I bet you could get it to 1000lbs
before the conversion. However, it would be a very noisy ride without the
interior. I guess you could fill the interior with non toxic, non flammable
foam like from a gutted lighweight pillow to help decrease the noise.

Another idea is this. It is extremely crazy. Basically take the vehicle and
chop off as much of the top and sides as possible except leave door on one
side. Try to leave the front window if possible. I am sure it can be gotten
down very low in weight. Now build a form to rebuild the body out of
cardboard and now spray the inside of this with with a foam bottle from
Walmart. Let it dry for a long time. Remove the cardboard with wax paper on
one side of cardboard from the inside. The inside will look real bad and
lumpy. The outside will be smooth and nice. You now have a very light weight
vehicle. Oh, just spray paint it and no one will ever know your car is made
of walmart spray foam. You might want to coat it several times to increase
the thickness. If done thick enough it will actually be quieter than before.
For windows, just cut a hole out of the foam and use that plastic that is
from jeeps and glue it tight with 1 minute epoxy.

You probably think I am making fun and well yeah I am little, but check out
http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html and then you will see what is
possible. I'm sure you could modify this to your needs.


Alizav wrote:
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>
> I am looking to do an ev conversion over the next year. I have 3 or 4
> possible vehicles that I can use for the conversion - 1985 Honda crx, 1985
> toyota tercel hatchback, 1992 accura legend, 1995 or 1996 Plymouth grand
> voyager (automatic). I need a vehicle that can go 40 or 50 miles on a
> charge (My farm is about 10 miles from town so it is 20 miles just to go
> in and back home) and 60+ mph
>

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Neat what he did! You could get most (maybe even all) of the same benefit by chopping the top.

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... You probably think I am making fun and well yeah I am little, but check
out http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html and then you will see what is possible. I'm sure you could modify this to your needs.




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great post !!! I have been wanting to add wheel well covers on the Bradley that I am building and did not know how the front would look . I had the curve out on the tire idea good to have a pic .
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Neat what he did! You could get most (maybe even all) of the same benefit by chopping the top.

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... You probably think I am making fun and well yeah I am little, but check
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Hello all,
I'm also in the process of deciding which chassis to use for my fist
conversion. I've done a fare bit of homework and i'm at the point where i
need to get my hands dirty. I'm hoping some of you have some opinions to
share regarding my 3 candidates.

we have a family of 4 (with a 1/2 time live in In-law) and want the car for
in town use but i've compared the cost of designing it for 35 mile round
trips at freeway speeds and the relatively flat roads of sacramento and
think it would be worth the extra cost to increase range and speed.

our first choice was a *volvo 240* with 144 volts but i've been unable to
find a single volvo 240 that has been converted, not on this list's
archives, not on the ev album (only 2 newer volvo models listed there), not
through a google search (although volvo has a new hybrid EV in development
with motors in all four wheels)... so i am hesitant to jump in and convert
something that's not been done (or done often enough that it shows up in the
usual places). other than weight (about 2900 lbs curb) and wind drag, *why
wouldn't this make a good chassis for a conversion? *they're built like a
tank, there are tons of them out there, and they are cheap.



our second choice is a 1996 -2001 saturn s series 4 door with 120 volts.
they are light for a 4door, aerodynamic and available; many have blown
engines these days but are in good cosmetic shape, they seem to be a popular
chassis for a conversion, and you can pick one up with good exterior and
interior for 500 - 1000 $$ pretty easy in SF or the valley.

third option is a VW cabriolet <1993 with 108 - 120 volts, ,but it has no
power steering, no vacuum needed for breaks and it's a convertible and there
are plenty of kits available and it would be fun to drive; but they are not
as easy to find in ok shape with a roof that doesn't leak and its not a 4
door, and has only 4 seats



Does any body know of any converted volvo 240's? any opinions on this
chassis for a conversion?

Thanks,
john



On Oct 28, 2007 12:29 PM, FRED JEANETTE MERTENS <[email protected]>
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> great post !!! I have been wanting to add wheel well covers on the
> Bradley that I am building and did not know how the front would look . I
> had the curve out on the tire idea good to have a pic .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Dymaxion<mailto:[email protected]>
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
>
>
> Neat what he did! You could get most (maybe even all) of the same benefit
> by chopping the top.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: ampaynz1 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:59:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
>
> ... You probably think I am making fun and well yeah I am little, but
> check
> out http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html<
> http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html> and then you will see what is
> possible. I'm sure you could modify this to your needs.
>
>
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just a word of caution on saturns in good cosmetic shape, remember the body=
on these will still look good after the suspension and frame components ha=
ve rotted away due to the plastic bodies, this is true of a lot of late 90'=
s vehicles the paint is strong enough to leave a great looking body and the=
structure is unusable...make sure you get under and look carefully at the =
important parts of the car, I know you said you live in california and you =
may find it not to be the issues it is here in the rust belt but it amazes =
me how good a car can still be cosmetically and be structurally rotten arou=
nd here

> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:39:55 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> =

> Hello all,
> I'm also in the process of deciding which chassis to use for my fist
> conversion. I've done a fare bit of homework and i'm at the point where i
> need to get my hands dirty. I'm hoping some of you have some opinions to
> share regarding my 3 candidates.
> =

> we have a family of 4 (with a 1/2 time live in In-law) and want the car f=
or
> in town use but i've compared the cost of designing it for 35 mile round
> trips at freeway speeds and the relatively flat roads of sacramento and
> think it would be worth the extra cost to increase range and speed.
> =

> our first choice was a *volvo 240* with 144 volts but i've been unable to
> find a single volvo 240 that has been converted, not on this list's
> archives, not on the ev album (only 2 newer volvo models listed there), n=
ot
> through a google search (although volvo has a new hybrid EV in development
> with motors in all four wheels)... so i am hesitant to jump in and convert
> something that's not been done (or done often enough that it shows up in =
the
> usual places). other than weight (about 2900 lbs curb) and wind drag, *why
> wouldn't this make a good chassis for a conversion? *they're built like a
> tank, there are tons of them out there, and they are cheap.
> =

> =

> =

> our second choice is a 1996 -2001 saturn s series 4 door with 120 volts.
> they are light for a 4door, aerodynamic and available; many have blown
> engines these days but are in good cosmetic shape, they seem to be a popu=
lar
> chassis for a conversion, and you can pick one up with good exterior and
> interior for 500 - 1000 $$ pretty easy in SF or the valley.
> =

> third option is a VW cabriolet <1993 with 108 - 120 volts, ,but it has no
> power steering, no vacuum needed for breaks and it's a convertible and th=
ere
> are plenty of kits available and it would be fun to drive; but they are n=
ot
> as easy to find in ok shape with a roof that doesn't leak and its not a 4
> door, and has only 4 seats
> =

> =

> =

> Does any body know of any converted volvo 240's? any opinions on this
> chassis for a conversion?
> =

> Thanks,
> john
> =

> =

> =

> On Oct 28, 2007 12:29 PM, FRED JEANETTE MERTENS <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> =

> > great post !!! I have been wanting to add wheel well covers on the
> > Bradley that I am building and did not know how the front would look .=
I
> > had the curve out on the tire idea good to have a pic .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Dymaxion<mailto:[email protected]>
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> >
> >
> > Neat what he did! You could get most (maybe even all) of the same bene=
fit
> > by chopping the top.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: ampaynz1 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]xxx.xxx.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:59:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> >
> > ... You probably think I am making fun and well yeah I am little, but
> > check
> > out http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html<
> > http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html> and then you will see what is
> > possible. I'm sure you could modify this to your needs.
> >
> >
> >
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the car i'm building is for my wife to drive who needs a car that's reliable
and that she can drive without needing to have to do anything out of the
ordenary for it to drive like a normal car. am i crazy to think that i,
being some what mechanically inclined and motivated, could complete an EV
conversion that will work reliably and not be something too complicated for
her to use daily for shopping and taking kids to and from school? and also
be something that when completed won't need me to fix something on it by the
end of every week?
Thanks

John Downs <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello all,
> I'm also in the process of deciding which chassis to use for my fist
> conversion. I've done a fare bit of homework and i'm at the point where i
> need to get my hands dirty. I'm hoping some of you have some opinions to
> share regarding my 3 candidates.
>
> we have a family of 4 (with a 1/2 time live in In-law) and want the car
> for in town use but i've compared the cost of designing it for 35 mile round
> trips at freeway speeds and the relatively flat roads of sacramento and
> think it would be worth the extra cost to increase range and speed.
>
> our first choice was a *volvo 240* with 144 volts but i've been unable to
> find a single volvo 240 that has been converted, not on this list's
> archives, not on the ev album (only 2 newer volvo models listed there), not
> through a google search (although volvo has a new hybrid EV in development
> with motors in all four wheels)... so i am hesitant to jump in and convert
> something that's not been done (or done often enough that it shows up in the
> usual places). other than weight (about 2900 lbs curb) and wind drag, *why
> wouldn't this make a good chassis for a conversion? *they're built like a
> tank, there are tons of them out there, and they are cheap.
>
>
>
> our second choice is a 1996 -2001 saturn s series 4 door with 120 volts.
> they are light for a 4door, aerodynamic and available; many have blown
> engines these days but are in good cosmetic shape, they seem to be a popular
> chassis for a conversion, and you can pick one up with good exterior and
> interior for 500 - 1000 $$ pretty easy in SF or the valley.
>
> third option is a VW cabriolet <1993 with 108 - 120 volts, ,but it has no
> power steering, no vacuum needed for breaks and it's a convertible and there
> are plenty of kits available and it would be fun to drive; but they are not
> as easy to find in ok shape with a roof that doesn't leak and its not a 4
> door, and has only 4 seats
>
>
>
> Does any body know of any converted volvo 240's? any opinions on this
> chassis for a conversion?
>
> Thanks,
> john
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2007 12:29 PM, FRED JEANETTE MERTENS < [email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > great post !!! I have been wanting to add wheel well covers on the
> > Bradley that I am building and did not know how the front would look . I
> > had the curve out on the tire idea good to have a pic .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Dymaxion<mailto:[email protected]>
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto: [email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> >
> >
> > Neat what he did! You could get most (maybe even all) of the same
> > benefit by chopping the top.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: ampaynz1 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>
> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:59:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> >
> > ... You probably think I am making fun and well yeah I am little, but
> > check
> > out http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html <
> > http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html> and then you will see what is
> > possible. I'm sure you could modify this to your needs.
> >
> >
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the saturn is a good choice and after you get the bugs out of the conversion it will be what you want .
----- Original Message -----
From: John Downs<mailto:[email protected]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question


the car i'm building is for my wife to drive who needs a car that's reliable
and that she can drive without needing to have to do anything out of the
ordenary for it to drive like a normal car. am i crazy to think that i,
being some what mechanically inclined and motivated, could complete an EV
conversion that will work reliably and not be something too complicated for
her to use daily for shopping and taking kids to and from school? and also
be something that when completed won't need me to fix something on it by the
end of every week?
Thanks

John Downs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

> Hello all,
> I'm also in the process of deciding which chassis to use for my fist
> conversion. I've done a fare bit of homework and i'm at the point where i
> need to get my hands dirty. I'm hoping some of you have some opinions to
> share regarding my 3 candidates.
>
> we have a family of 4 (with a 1/2 time live in In-law) and want the car
> for in town use but i've compared the cost of designing it for 35 mile round
> trips at freeway speeds and the relatively flat roads of sacramento and
> think it would be worth the extra cost to increase range and speed.
>
> our first choice was a *volvo 240* with 144 volts but i've been unable to
> find a single volvo 240 that has been converted, not on this list's
> archives, not on the ev album (only 2 newer volvo models listed there), not
> through a google search (although volvo has a new hybrid EV in development
> with motors in all four wheels)... so i am hesitant to jump in and convert
> something that's not been done (or done often enough that it shows up in the
> usual places). other than weight (about 2900 lbs curb) and wind drag, *why
> wouldn't this make a good chassis for a conversion? *they're built like a
> tank, there are tons of them out there, and they are cheap.
>
>
>
> our second choice is a 1996 -2001 saturn s series 4 door with 120 volts.
> they are light for a 4door, aerodynamic and available; many have blown
> engines these days but are in good cosmetic shape, they seem to be a popular
> chassis for a conversion, and you can pick one up with good exterior and
> interior for 500 - 1000 $$ pretty easy in SF or the valley.
>
> third option is a VW cabriolet <1993 with 108 - 120 volts, ,but it has no
> power steering, no vacuum needed for breaks and it's a convertible and there
> are plenty of kits available and it would be fun to drive; but they are not
> as easy to find in ok shape with a roof that doesn't leak and its not a 4
> door, and has only 4 seats
>
>
>
> Does any body know of any converted volvo 240's? any opinions on this
> chassis for a conversion?
>
> Thanks,
> john
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2007 12:29 PM, FRED JEANETTE MERTENS < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> wrote:
>
> > great post !!! I have been wanting to add wheel well covers on the
> > Bradley that I am building and did not know how the front would look . I
> > had the curve out on the tire idea good to have a pic .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Dymaxion<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> >
> >
> > Neat what he did! You could get most (maybe even all) of the same
> > benefit by chopping the top.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: ampaynz1 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>
> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:59:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> >
> > ... You probably think I am making fun and well yeah I am little, but
> > check
> > out http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html<http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html> <
> > http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html<http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html>> and then you will see what is
> > possible. I'm sure you could modify this to your needs.
> >
> >
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The reality of converting this thing is that unless
you read _everything_ there is to read on EVs, it will
spend its' first couple of years evolving. Examples:
- You got a 35A DCDC converter, and find out that
during the winter, when you have wipers, lights,
blower and rear defroster on, when you add some brake
lights onto it, your headlights dim. So you purchase
a 60A DCDC.
- You realize the location you chose for your E_meter
has poor visibility, so you wait until you have time
in your schedule to pull the dash and re-do the
E-meter loc.
- You realize you want more air to your brake rotors,
now that you have 1000 more lbs. to haul around, and
need the extra braking capacity, so you get a new set
of wheels.

I could go on, but the point is, it will be a rolling
science experiment for a little while, but it will be
the best vehicle you've ever had through it all!

(Needless to say, I still push for the Civic, with
room for 18 flooded batteries!)
peace,


--- FRED JEANETTE MERTENS <[email protected]>
wrote:

> the saturn is a good choice and after you get the
> bugs out of the conversion it will be what you want
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Downs<mailto:[email protected]>
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion
> List<mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
>
>
> the car i'm building is for my wife to drive who
> needs a car that's reliable
> and that she can drive without needing to have to
> do anything out of the
> ordenary for it to drive like a normal car. am i
> crazy to think that i,
> being some what mechanically inclined and
> motivated, could complete an EV
> conversion that will work reliably and not be
> something too complicated for
> her to use daily for shopping and taking kids to
> and from school? and also
> be something that when completed won't need me to
> fix something on it by the
> end of every week?
> Thanks
>
> On Nov 3, 2007 11:39 PM, John Downs
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > I'm also in the process of deciding which
> chassis to use for my fist
> > conversion. I've done a fare bit of homework and
> i'm at the point where i
> > need to get my hands dirty. I'm hoping some of
> you have some opinions to
> > share regarding my 3 candidates.
> >
> > we have a family of 4 (with a 1/2 time live in
> In-law) and want the car
> > for in town use but i've compared the cost of
> designing it for 35 mile round
> > trips at freeway speeds and the relatively flat
> roads of sacramento and
> > think it would be worth the extra cost to
> increase range and speed.
> >
> > our first choice was a *volvo 240* with 144
> volts but i've been unable to
> > find a single volvo 240 that has been converted,
> not on this list's
> > archives, not on the ev album (only 2 newer
> volvo models listed there), not
> > through a google search (although volvo has a
> new hybrid EV in development
> > with motors in all four wheels)... so i am
> hesitant to jump in and convert
> > something that's not been done (or done often
> enough that it shows up in the
> > usual places). other than weight (about 2900 lbs
> curb) and wind drag, *why
> > wouldn't this make a good chassis for a
> conversion? *they're built like a
> > tank, there are tons of them out there, and they
> are cheap.
> >
> >
> >
> > our second choice is a 1996 -2001 saturn s
> series 4 door with 120 volts.
> > they are light for a 4door, aerodynamic and
> available; many have blown
> > engines these days but are in good cosmetic
> shape, they seem to be a popular
> > chassis for a conversion, and you can pick one
> up with good exterior and
> > interior for 500 - 1000 $$ pretty easy in SF or
> the valley.
> >
> > third option is a VW cabriolet <1993 with 108 -
> 120 volts, ,but it has no
> > power steering, no vacuum needed for breaks and
> it's a convertible and there
> > are plenty of kits available and it would be fun
> to drive; but they are not
> > as easy to find in ok shape with a roof that
> doesn't leak and its not a 4
> > door, and has only 4 seats
> >
> >
> >
> > Does any body know of any converted volvo 240's?
> any opinions on this
> > chassis for a conversion?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > john
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2007 12:29 PM, FRED JEANETTE MERTENS
> < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> >
wrote:
> >
> > > great post !!! I have been wanting to add
> wheel well covers on the
> > > Bradley that I am building and did not know
> how the front would look . I
> > > had the curve out on the tire idea good to
> have a pic .
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David
>
Dymaxion<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle
> question
> > >
> > >
> > > Neat what he did! You could get most (maybe
> even all) of the same
> > > benefit by chopping the top.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: ampaynz1
>
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> >>
> > > To:
>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:59:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle
> question
> > >
> > > ... You probably think I am making fun and
> well yeah I am little, but
> > > check
> > > out
>
http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html<http://www.1989geometro.com/pictures.html>
> <
> > >
>
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> and then you will see what is
> > > possible. I'm sure you could modify this to
> your needs.
> > >
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Downs" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question


> the car i'm building is for my wife to drive who needs a car that's
> reliable
> and that she can drive without needing to have to do anything out of the
> ordenary for it to drive like a normal car. am i crazy to think that i,
> being some what mechanically inclined and motivated, could complete an EV
> conversion that will work reliably and not be something too complicated
> for
> her to use daily for shopping and taking kids to and from school? and
> also
> be something that when completed won't need me to fix something on it by
> the
> end of every week?
> Thanks
>
What you want can't be done. An EV conversion will have issues to be
resolved. This can take several years and some issues never get
resolved and new issues emerge. Most EVs are a work in progress
for their entire life.


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Tom, this is unnecessarily pessimistic - I have used my pickup for months
without having to fix anything, even water the batteries!

Joseph H. Strubhar

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E-mail: [email protected]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Shay" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Downs" <[email protected]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
>
>
>> the car i'm building is for my wife to drive who needs a car that's
>> reliable
>> and that she can drive without needing to have to do anything out of the
>> ordenary for it to drive like a normal car. am i crazy to think that i,
>> being some what mechanically inclined and motivated, could complete an EV
>> conversion that will work reliably and not be something too complicated
>> for
>> her to use daily for shopping and taking kids to and from school? and
>> also
>> be something that when completed won't need me to fix something on it by
>> the
>> end of every week?
>> Thanks
>>
> What you want can't be done. An EV conversion will have issues to be
> resolved. This can take several years and some issues never get
> resolved and new issues emerge. Most EVs are a work in progress
> for their entire life.
>
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I've gotta' agree with Joe. The point I was trying to
make is that if you pinch pennies, and don't know
enough, you'll have more issues to fix or resolve.
They are do-able, though!

Gas burners have things go wrong too, and look how
long they've been around. My Honda Odyssey is
considered highly reliable, but ask me about my
cracked exhaust manifold; my faulty ignition switch;
my load proportioning valve causing rotors to wear
prematurely...

Some people choose not to resolve those niggling
details on their EV. Soon they're for sale on the EV
trading post, and someone _else_ ultimately resolves
them.

(;-p

--- joe <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tom, this is unnecessarily pessimistic - I have used
> my pickup for months
> without having to fix anything, even water the
> batteries!
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
> E-mail: [email protected]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Shay" <[email protected]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Downs" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] choosing a vehicle question
> >
> >
> >> the car i'm building is for my wife to drive who
> needs a car that's
> >> reliable
> >> and that she can drive without needing to have to
> do anything out of the
> >> ordenary for it to drive like a normal car. am i
> crazy to think that i,
> >> being some what mechanically inclined and
> motivated, could complete an EV
> >> conversion that will work reliably and not be
> something too complicated
> >> for
> >> her to use daily for shopping and taking kids to
> and from school? and
> >> also
> >> be something that when completed won't need me to
> fix something on it by
> >> the
> >> end of every week?
> >> Thanks
> >>
> > What you want can't be done. An EV conversion
> will have issues to be
> > resolved. This can take several years and some
> issues never get
> > resolved and new issues emerge. Most EVs are a
> work in progress
> > for their entire life.
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John Downs wrote:
> I'm also in the process of deciding which chassis to use for my first
> conversion.

You can convert *anything*. The main factors are

1. How good a car is it as an ICE?
If it's a piece of junk as an ICE, it will just become an electric
piece of junk if you convert it.

2. What does it weigh?
The heavier the car, the more the EV parts will cost you. So, the
lightest car will be the least expensive.

3. How hard is the basic car to work on and find parts for?
90% of the car will be exactly the same as the ICE version (tires,
brakes, suspension, body, interior, rust, paint, glass, etc.) You
want to pick a car that is in good shape, reliable, and reasonable
to maintain.

So, this means you need to start with an ICE that is already in good
shape, that you like to drive, and isn't hard or expensive to maintain.

> we want the car for in town use... designing it for 35 mile round
> trips at freeway speeds and the relatively flat roads

What exactly do you mean by freeway speeds? 35 miles at 60 mph is
modestly challenging. 35 miles at 80 mph is very challenging!

> our first choice was a *volvo 240* with 144 volts but i've been
> unable to find a single volvo 240 that has been converted

They've been done, though less common because the car itself is less
common than pickup trucks or VWs. You'd have to find one in good shape
to start with (though of course you don't care if the engine is dead).
The higher weight just means you'll have to spend proportionately more
on batteries, motor and controller. Roughly speaking converting a 4000
lbs car costs twice as much as converting a 2000 lbs car.

> our second choice is a 1996-2001 saturn s series 4 door with 120
> volts.

These have been used for a number of good conversions. Finding room for
everything seems to be the main challenge. Being lighter, it will cost less.

> third option is a VW cabriolet <1993 with 108 - 120 volts, ,but it
> has no power steering, no vacuum needed for breaks and it's a
> convertible and there are plenty of kits available and it would be
> fun to drive; but they are not as easy to find in ok shape with a
> roof that doesn't leak and its not a 4 door, and has only 4 seats

The advantage here is just that lots of them have been converted, so
there are kits available that make it almost a "cookbook" project.

> Am I crazy to think that I, being some what mechanically inclined and
> motivated, could complete an EV conversion that will work reliably
> and not be something too complicated for her to use daily for
> shopping and taking kids to and from school?

This comes down to a question of workmanship. An EV conversion is about
like rebuilding the engine in a regular car. Are you a good enough
mechanic to do this so everything works correctly when you're done, and
there are no missing parts, loose bolts, leaks, dangling wires, or other
"loose ends"?

For example, I've rebuilt engines -- My first one had to be redone about
3 times before I learned enough to get the details right! The second one
went much better, and only a few details were missed. By the third time
I got it done well enough to wear the rest of the car out before then
engine gave me any more problems.

It's the same with EV conversions. Being a rank amateur, your first one
is likely to be of rather low quality, with several mistakes. This will
require a period of testing and fixing things, and discovering places
where you bought the wrong parts due to lack of experience or assembly
errors and have to do it over.

But if you persevere, you *will* be able to get it right. EVs are
fundamentally simpler than ICEs.

This EV list is a fantastic resource. Without it, you'd be forced to
rely on your buddies Moe Larry and Curly for advice/support. They only
know ICEs, so their "help" is mostly contributory ignorance. With the EV
list, you have access to people who really have done this before, and
know what they're talking about. Yes, you'll have to learn who to listen
to and who to ignore; but at least there will be good answers mixed in
with the bad (finding them is the challenge :)

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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net

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> Lee Hart wrote:
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> This EV list is a fantastic resource. Without it, you'd be forced to
> rely on your buddies Moe Larry and Curly for advice/support. They only
> know ICEs, so their "help" is mostly contributory ignorance. With the EV
> list, you have access to people who really have done this before, and
> know what they're talking about. Yes, you'll have to learn who to listen
> to and who to ignore; but at least there will be good answers mixed in
> with the bad (finding them is the challenge :)
>

P.S. Lee Hart is one of the ones you should listen too.

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I disagree with his pessimism as well. It CAN be done. 1.5+ years on the Electrabishi with a switch to flooded cells and
watering them every couple months.

Oh yeah, and changing my summer/winter tires. Thats the worst pain. ;-)

Oh yeah, after 14 months the original starting battery from the donor finally died from cycle charging running the lights and
heater fan. Other than these things, its reliable and uncomplicated, and gets me to work every day :)

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.

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> Tom, this is unnecessarily pessimistic - I have used my pickup for months
> without having to fix anything, even water the batteries!
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> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:02 AM
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> >> the car i'm building is for my wife to drive who needs a car that's
> >> reliable
> >> and that she can drive without needing to have to do anything out of the
> >> ordenary for it to drive like a normal car. am i crazy to think that i,
> >> being some what mechanically inclined and motivated, could complete an EV
> >> conversion that will work reliably and not be something too complicated
> >> for
> >> her to use daily for shopping and taking kids to and from school? and
> >> also
> >> be something that when completed won't need me to fix something on it by
> >> the
> >> end of every week?
> >> Thanks
> >>
> > What you want can't be done. An EV conversion will have issues to be
> > resolved. This can take several years and some issues never get
> > resolved and new issues emerge. Most EVs are a work in progress
> > for their entire life.
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