[EVDL] Dirt to Wheels EV analysis; include periodic battery cost

Hi Lee,

Not to question your wisdom ;-) but shouldn't EV;s *include* the periodic battery replacement cost that's typically 10c per mile? Lead is about $1k for 10k miles, my ni-cads (STM5-180's) are $4k for 40k miles, LiFePO4 (should be) $10k for 100k miles.

So my www.evalbum.com/1273 is fairly typical 330whrs per mile (measured at the AC outlet no-cheating), here at 15c per kwh, about 5c per mile + 10c is 15c per mile. My Honda Insight (the real one year-2000' 5-speed) is 70mpg, at $3 per gallon is 4.2c per mile. (Of course a regular-bimbo 20mpg gasser is 15c per mile fuel cost). But unless i charge with my fixed cost solar panels (which I do when I'm grid tie surplusing), the Insight comes out ahead on cost and about twice as good on pollution (since we're 85% coal fired in Roanoke, VA)

have a renewable energy day,
Mark
www.reevadiy.org
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> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:45:57 -0600
> From: Lee Hart <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dirt to Wheels analysis?
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> The real problem with this type of analysis is that its real purpose is
> to shift the focus and prevent change. The auto companies and oil
> companies are masters of this game. They have used it successfully for
> decades to stall any and all changes and regulations.
>
> Rather than say you disagree with someone, you instead say "You have a
> good idea, but how big a difference would it make? We'll have to study
> it first." Then the studies go on forever. As each one comes out, you
> find some fault with it, and so insist on a new one.
>
> When you argue this way, you are playing their game. They have the "home
> team" advantage, and are almost certain to win.
>
> The average driver doesn't care about dirt to wheels analysis. He
> doesn't know what his car costs him per mile, or how much pollution it
> makes. We don't want or need to sell EVs to the oil or auto companies or
> government -- we want to sell *consumers* on them! To do that, write
> your appeal to them!
>
> - Cheaper to run: 10 cents/KWH versus $3.00/gallon
> - Cleaner: No pollution
> - Simpler: no oil, filters, belts, hoses, exhaust system, etc.
> - Convenient; no more trips to the gas station, oil changes, etc.
> - Fun! Exciting! New!
> --
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