On 14 Sep 2010 at 22:30, David Dymaxion wrote:
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/39095674/Electric_Car_Fatigue
"... much of the public is treating the upcoming debuts of the Chevy Volt
and Nissan Leaf as interesting for others, but not something they are
focused on."
This is surprising?
"You pick the auto maker and I would say I get four or five times more
questions about the current line-up of internal combustion models on sale
now than I do about electric models in the pipeline."
This is surprising?
"Until we see a larger number of electric rides in showrooms or there's a
major spike in gas prices, the most people won't care much about electric
cars."
This is ... well, you know the drill.
It's not EV fatigue. They're not tired of hearing about them. They just
don't care one way or the other.
Surveys have told us for years that people (at least in the US) are more
interested in how many cupholders a car has than in what kind of MPG it
gets. Those things that push our buttons about EVs are not really very
important to most other folks. If they were, I'd guess that the factory
hybrids (the closest available mass production vehicles to EVs) would make
up the majority of the vehicles on our roads by now.
EVs aren't too likely to be on the radar for a majority of vehicle buyers
for a very long time - probably never. I'll settle for them being available
for the few who do make such a choice.
David Roden
EVDL Administrator
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pessimism-->
I know we're straying off topic here, but a gas tax starting from even
before 1970 would see the US in a much better position today. If we'd been
taxing gas for 40 years do you think we'd even have hummers ?
You can't get to making gasoline obsolete without a gas tax and if it
doesn't happen by governmental hand, it will happen by mother natures hand
and we'll be in a mess where nobody will be able to afford an EV. Why ?
because the infrastructure that supported its development and the quality of
life of the market just had the bottom ripped out from it.
/pessimism
I love your quote
"This is a psychological war. Human nature dictates which technology
is used. Water like electricity will find the path of least resistance.
Humans are made of water and electricity!"
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I know we're straying off topic here, but a gas tax starting from even
before 1970 would see the US in a much better position today. If we'd been
taxing gas for 40 years do you think we'd even have hummers ?
You can't get to making gasoline obsolete without a gas tax and if it
doesn't happen by governmental hand, it will happen by mother natures hand
and we'll be in a mess where nobody will be able to afford an EV. Why ?
because the infrastructure that supported its development and the quality of
life of the market just had the bottom ripped out from it.
/pessimism
I love your quote
"This is a psychological war. Human nature dictates which technology
is used. Water like electricity will find the path of least resistance.
Humans are made of water and electricity!"
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So.. what happened to the "we'll just make EVs better than gas
guzzlers" -attitude ?
This might just be an European thing but quite many do care how and
what they drive. Only few say it out loud they do not care about the
environment. Most of us do.
Actually.. anyone of you here did born with the EV tattoo on the
forehead ? I guess not.
I bet we all are here kinda 'normal' and 'standard' citizens.
EV grin is a fact and you just need an EV and average person having
the 1st ride to summon it out. It's not hard. We've all seen it. It's
our weapon.
If my humble opinion is allowed here I'd say we just need to go back
to our garages and concentrate on doing things better. I could not
care less how oil industry tries to tackle us. I play another game.
There's many things to do for example in the battery field. Much
better batteries can be done and I do not mean 100 fold more energy
and power. $100/kWh is very doable. More range with less cost.
Lifetime is no longer an issue either.
Thanks for not skipping my rant.
-akkuJukka
p.s.- I've heard rumor that man can get lucky if ladies know there's
an EV ride to home waiting outside the bar. Place for small market
research project ??
http://www.google.com/profiles/jarviju#about
2010/9/17 Dave Hymers <[email protected]>:
> pessimism-->
>
> I know we're straying off topic here, but a gas tax starting from even
> before 1970 would see the US in a much better position today. If we'd been
> taxing gas for 40 years do you think we'd even have hummers ?
>
> You can't get to making gasoline obsolete without a gas tax and if it
> doesn't happen by governmental hand, it will happen by mother natures hand
> and we'll be in a mess where nobody will be able to afford an EV. Why ?
> because the infrastructure that supported its development and the quality of
> life of the market just had the bottom ripped out from it.
>
> /pessimism
>
> I love your quote
> "This is a psychological war. Human nature dictates which technology
> is used. Water like electricity will find the path of least resistance.
>
> Humans are made of water and electricity!"
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guzzlers" -attitude ?
This might just be an European thing but quite many do care how and
what they drive. Only few say it out loud they do not care about the
environment. Most of us do.
Actually.. anyone of you here did born with the EV tattoo on the
forehead ? I guess not.
I bet we all are here kinda 'normal' and 'standard' citizens.
EV grin is a fact and you just need an EV and average person having
the 1st ride to summon it out. It's not hard. We've all seen it. It's
our weapon.
If my humble opinion is allowed here I'd say we just need to go back
to our garages and concentrate on doing things better. I could not
care less how oil industry tries to tackle us. I play another game.
There's many things to do for example in the battery field. Much
better batteries can be done and I do not mean 100 fold more energy
and power. $100/kWh is very doable. More range with less cost.
Lifetime is no longer an issue either.
Thanks for not skipping my rant.
-akkuJukka
p.s.- I've heard rumor that man can get lucky if ladies know there's
an EV ride to home waiting outside the bar. Place for small market
research project ??
http://www.google.com/profiles/jarviju#about
2010/9/17 Dave Hymers <[email protected]>:
> pessimism-->
>
> I know we're straying off topic here, but a gas tax starting from even
> before 1970 would see the US in a much better position today. If we'd been
> taxing gas for 40 years do you think we'd even have hummers ?
>
> You can't get to making gasoline obsolete without a gas tax and if it
> doesn't happen by governmental hand, it will happen by mother natures hand
> and we'll be in a mess where nobody will be able to afford an EV. Why ?
> because the infrastructure that supported its development and the quality of
> life of the market just had the bottom ripped out from it.
>
> /pessimism
>
> I love your quote
> "This is a psychological war. Human nature dictates which technology
> is used. Water like electricity will find the path of least resistance.
>
> Humans are made of water and electricity!"
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"...but why anything else?..."
Style! Perhaps status...
Eric
On 9/17/2010 10:09 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
Style!
Perhaps status...Eric
On 9/17/2010 10:09 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
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