[EVDL] EV Love Potion Number Fe16N2

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Mar 7, 2011

Lee Hart wrote:

> On 3/7/2011 11:21 AM, Myles Twete wrote:
>> Cool...but why on earth will it take them 12yrs to figure out how
>> to make and deploy these magnets?
>
> Suppose you're daVinci, and just painted the Mona Lisa. Your boss
> says,
> "Cool... how soon can you have 1000 of them?"

I think the problem is more of a chemical engineering one. So you
made a few grams in the lab? How do you mass produce this powder?
The problem is not how do you make (form) the magnet, or how you
integrate them into a motor design. The hard part is making the high
purity FE16N2 powder in a production scale.

Its kind of the same for the lithium ion batteries with nanotubes.
You can grow these nanotubes in the lab. but how do you make them in a
commercial scale. It takes lots of money and time.

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Discussion Starter · #4 · Mar 7, 2011

Myles Twete wrote:
> Sure, Lee, but this is funded by Toyota---a company that understands the
> importance of short time to market.

Sure... but how many years have they spent in the lab, to hand-make just
a tiny amount of it for testing?

I used to work in Eastman Kodak's Research Labs. It was pretty common
for us to dream up something, and take years to experiment and
meticulously hand-build something to prove that the idea worked. But it
was still *years* away from figuring out how to produce them. Many of
the materials and techniques used for the prototype are totally
impractical to use for mass production.

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Mar 7, 2011

Which goes to speak volumes about how hard it must have been to not only
create the "tens of grams" of material, but also to isolate only the stuff
they need out of any byproducts that may have been mixed in with it.

Myles Twete <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sure, Lee, but this is funded by Toyota---a company that understands the
> importance of short time to market.
>
>
> > Suppose you're daVinci, and just painted the Mona Lisa. Your boss says,
> "Cool... how soon can you have 1000 of them?"
>
> On 3/7/2011 11:21 AM, Myles Twete wrote:
> > Cool...but why on earth will it take them 12yrs to figure out how to make
> and deploy these magnets?
>
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Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 7, 2011

Ahh ... but Toyota is the spry pup you might be thinking of.
Remember the post I made about
http://evdl.org/archive/#nabble-td3246013
Tesla's nimbleness teaches old-dog Toyota Getter-Done tricks

I am sure there is a method to their madness, but boy can it
be slow, and methodical, and ... and ... and ...

Remember, without management as an overseeer/watchdog, R&D's
charter/function is not in the same 'mind-set' as the production
line crew that has hungry customers demanding more ... more ...
more ...

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> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Love Potion Number Fe16N2
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:20:26 -0800
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> Sure, Lee, but this is funded by Toyota---a company that understands the
> importance of short time to market.
>
>
> > Suppose you're daVinci, and just painted the Mona Lisa. Your boss says,
> "Cool... how soon can you have 1000 of them?"
...

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