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Who would have thought... just 5 years ago... such advertising...WOW
! I love it !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KtdOu6xIQY&feature=player_embedded

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That's it, Ford has won. GM's Volt ads compared to this ? ha !
I'd like to think its because Ford really does get it, time will tell.
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"Butterflies? Nice. Oh look, a blue one!" <cringe>

Sorry, while I'm not an expert and am pretty much on the periphery of the
media, I have some notions of what makes an ad work, and there isn't much of
it in this one.

In my book, this ad is a facepalm. I rather hope no one sees it, because I
fear it will do more harm than good to the image of EVs. While it doesn't
have the creepy quality of the infamous EV1 toaster ad, it's one of the most
amateurish, blandest, longest-winded ads I've ever seen, for any product.

This seems more like an internal Ford training video presentation than
something intended for public viewing. The target audience isn't at all
clear, unless it's Florida retirees, thanks to the presence of an older
spokesperson. I know he means well, but outside of the the hobbyist EV
community, who knows who Ed Begley Jr is?

The ad has no particular emotional message. There's nothing to grab the
viewer's heart or gut. Nor does it do much to grab the viewer's head. The
rational arguments are pretty weak, and lost among a blizzard of irrelevant
verbiage. Why on earth would you start off an EV ad by talking about how
great the company's ICEs are? Why bring up Ford's hybrids, which don't
sell?

Worse, it insults EV buyers. Why, for goodness sake, would they marginalize
and trivialize us as "Mr. Socks with the Birkenstocks" and "those [few] who
are ready to charge into the electric world"?

The production quality is excruciating. It's embrassingly amateurish, about
what you'd expect from a college TV production project. It's huge and
clunky. The music drones on and on with the endless jabber, formulaic and
repetitive. Somewhere inside this clunky 3 minutes and 20 seconds might be
a passable 30 second spot, but good luck finding it.

Visually, it's static. What few visual effects they use are hackneyed and
stilted.

And BUTTERFLIES? Seriously?

This ad doesn't make me think of Ford as committed to EVs. Quite to the
contrary. I already knew that their EVs would be quick and dirty
conversions, just like their gas-only hybrids that haven't sold. This $1.98
ad just reinforces that low-budget image.

Leaf may have its limitations, but when it comes to actually selling it to
real world customers, the Nissan folks are doing a lot of things right.

They started by making the leaf a car that's exclusively an EV, like the
Prius was exclusively gas hybrid. (Yes, I know they're using an existing
platform, but the Leaf is visually unique.) Unlike Ford's (and Honda's)
proposed EVs, there is no version of the Leaf that you can put gasoline
into, and that's a good thing. The Leaf has an instant visual EV and
"green" identity and image.

And Nissan have produced ads for it that build on this image by speaking to
the heart as much as (or more than) the head. They're high voltage, well
targeted ads with the budget that comes from a fully committed company.

I'm actually starting to believe that Nissan is in EVs for the long run.
Ford? Serious? Not on the evidence presented here. Nissan's polar bear
knocks this out of the water, so to speak.

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I have to agree with David: this add seems incredibly hokey, and frankly, I
would not want a car that has a gauge that reads in butterflies. The ad is
also over-the-top re Ford getting it and others not getting it. They even
mention having been doing hybrids for 10 years... but fail to mention that
they did not develop that technology.

Huge oversell in my view, as is their ad that calls the Focus "zero CO2
emissions". If people are aware that we use 23 watt cfc bulbs to reduce our
carbon emissions from the alternative 100 watt incandescent bulbs, then how
can they seriously think electric cars are emission-free? It boggles the
mind.

Model for model, as clearly shown by the EPA tests of the 2002 RAV4 EV,
electric cars emit roughly half the CO2 of a conventional car. That is
something to crow about! Going from 3.7 tons per year down to zero sounds
like snake oil, pure and simple.

Given that you can not underestimate the gullibility of the public, I
suppose this ad campaign will do well, and I'll have to up my doses of Tums.





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Ken Fry wrote:

> Huge oversell in my view, as is their ad that calls the Focus "zero CO2
> emissions" ... how
> can they seriously think electric cars are emission-free? It boggles the
> mind.

Well, they ARE emission-free. The car does not emit pollution.

>
> Model for model, as clearly shown by the EPA tests of the 2002 RAV4 EV,
> electric cars emit roughly half the CO2 of a conventional car.

No, electric cars don't emit CO2, or any other pollutant. No more than your microwave oven or computer does.

Now, producing electricity USUALLY produces pollution or has a negative environmental impact. It is, however, possible to generate electricity with minimal impact, with solar and wind and biofuels. (Some would add nuclear power to that list but I don't want to reopen that can of worms here.)

This comes up on the list periodically. My take:

The car is zero emission, like any other electric appliance. By definition. End of story. Otherwise your TV would have a vent stack running up through the ceiling, like your furnace or toilet.

Emissions? We don't talk about the emissions from appliances, we talk about how energy efficient they are. And while the numbers differ depending on the study, EVs are about twice as energy efficient as ICE vehicles. EVs win, as you point out.

Besides, people talk about power plant emissions instead of tailpipe emissions as if that was a BAD thing! Don't we want the emissions to happen somewhere away from all the people? Plus, the emissions controls on a big power plant are much tighter than on the equivalent fleet of cars.

Also, over time more of our electricity will be generated by non-polluting sources, whereas every gallon of gas burned will always and forever produce 20 pounds of CO2 (until the oil runs out, of course).

Finally, if you want to talk about the pollution emitted by building the non-polluting power sources (like solar panels), I call "foul". Nobody talks about the pollution generated by extracting, refining, transporting, storing, and dispensing gasoline, so it's not fair to ignore this cost for ICEs while counting it for EVs. And it seems obvious that any such comparison would only make EVs look better.

> Going from 3.7 tons per year down to zero sounds
> like snake oil, pure and simple.

Measured at the vehicle, this is entirely correct.

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I can definitely see how some long time members of this list may view Ford and this ad as lacking commitment and insulting. Afterall, in recent history, Ford's previous EV products left many out in the cold.

The Ford ranger EV was sold mainly to government agencies. Then ford stopped supporting still-operational vehicles whether thru end of vendor life or hoped for government contract re-negotiation, so these agencies were left without maintenance and repair options. Eventually thru neglect or lack of interest these same vehicles found their way onto DRMO lots for consumer purchase but little mainenance material or replacement parts for any die-hard ev fan.

The Think was discontinued and the factory left to fend for themselves in staying operational.

The Escape hybrid marketed in 2006 has experienced almost no continued marketing support since its debut.

I am a diehard Ford owner and even I am on the "I'll wait and see" approach whether Ford is truly committed to EV.




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Gentlemen and Ladies,
I have said it before and I will keep saying it until "IT Happens;"
There are two infrastructures in place for ICE cars and the equivalent need
to be established for Electric cars for there can never be a viable
marketplace without BOTH of them.

FIRST: is a substantial, widespread fuel supply network, Gas and Diesel are
in place; Electric Recharging is not as yet,(Although it has been started,
there is a lot of progress yet to be accomplished as obviously the
installation and purchase prices are obscene, and no one with an EV should
have to pay $4500 for the equivalent to what a RV owner can get for $ 125
(240 [email protected] 30A.).[a dryer outlet installed!]

SECOND: is a well trained and equipped and widespread availability of
service and repair, not just at selected Dealerships, Everywhere one can get
an ICE auto fixed should be able to service and repair an EV also.
Apparently at this time if you want more than a car wash or tire pressure
check you must take your EV to the Dealer"s service shop. Or "Do it
yourself." A friend bought a new car for Thanksgiving, Seven items required
a day each for the dealer to make them right under warranty. a tire, two
engine sensors, a replacement electric window motor, adjusting the Emergency
brake, a SLI battery replacement, and a power steering pump. Almost three
weeks to get it all fixed. BUT the nearest EV dealership is 245 miles away
(Much more of a nightmare!) Would you buy what you cannot fix yourself if
service is over 200 miles away?

I am a believer in EV and I have worn the EV Grin many times in the many EV
I have had but would I recommend one to a Driver who is not a mechanic with
EV training? NO ! Not until there a lot more EV service Agencies
available. We need to change that ! (Will you help me ? )


Regards,
*Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
*www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
*
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The "Stone Age" didn't end because they ran out of Stones;
It ended because they started using their Brains !
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


lyle sloan <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I can definitely see how some long time members of this list may view Ford
> and this ad as lacking commitment and insulting. Afterall, in recent
> history, Ford's previous EV products left many out in the cold.
>
> The Ford ranger EV was sold mainly to government agencies. Then ford
> stopped supporting still-operational vehicles whether thru end of vendor
> life or hoped for government contract re-negotiation, so these agencies were
> left without maintenance and repair options. Eventually thru neglect or
> lack of interest these same vehicles found their way onto DRMO lots for
> consumer purchase but little mainenance material or replacement parts for
> any die-hard ev fan.
>
> The Think was discontinued and the factory left to fend for themselves in
> staying operational.
>
> The Escape hybrid marketed in 2006 has experienced almost no continued
> marketing support since its debut.
>
> I am a diehard Ford owner and even I am on the "I'll wait and see" approach
> whether Ford is truly committed to EV.
>
>
>
>
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Dennis,

Does it really only cost $125 to have a Nema plug installed in Florida? I
cannot even begin to have a Nema Plug installed in my garage up in NJ for
that little.

Doing my part based on your "roll out" initiative referenced below.


Sincerely;

Douglas A. Stansfield
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www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
973-875-6276 (office)
973-670-9208 (cell)
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford must be SERIOUS -Ed Bagley Jr. backs FORD

Gentlemen and Ladies,
I have said it before and I will keep saying it until "IT Happens;"
There are two infrastructures in place for ICE cars and the equivalent need
to be established for Electric cars for there can never be a viable
marketplace without BOTH of them.

FIRST: is a substantial, widespread fuel supply network, Gas and Diesel are
in place; Electric Recharging is not as yet,(Although it has been started,
there is a lot of progress yet to be accomplished as obviously the
installation and purchase prices are obscene, and no one with an EV should
have to pay $4500 for the equivalent to what a RV owner can get for $ 125
(240 [email protected] 30A.).[a dryer outlet installed!]

SECOND: is a well trained and equipped and widespread availability of
service and repair, not just at selected Dealerships, Everywhere one can get
an ICE auto fixed should be able to service and repair an EV also.
Apparently at this time if you want more than a car wash or tire pressure
check you must take your EV to the Dealer"s service shop. Or "Do it
yourself." A friend bought a new car for Thanksgiving, Seven items required
a day each for the dealer to make them right under warranty. a tire, two
engine sensors, a replacement electric window motor, adjusting the Emergency
brake, a SLI battery replacement, and a power steering pump. Almost three
weeks to get it all fixed. BUT the nearest EV dealership is 245 miles away
(Much more of a nightmare!) Would you buy what you cannot fix yourself if
service is over 200 miles away?

I am a believer in EV and I have worn the EV Grin many times in the many EV
I have had but would I recommend one to a Driver who is not a mechanic with
EV training? NO ! Not until there a lot more EV service Agencies
available. We need to change that ! (Will you help me ? )


Regards,
*Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
*www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
*
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The "Stone Age" didn't end because they ran out of Stones;
It ended because they started using their Brains !
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


lyle sloan <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I can definitely see how some long time members of this list may view Ford
> and this ad as lacking commitment and insulting. Afterall, in recent
> history, Ford's previous EV products left many out in the cold.
>
> The Ford ranger EV was sold mainly to government agencies. Then ford
> stopped supporting still-operational vehicles whether thru end of vendor
> life or hoped for government contract re-negotiation, so these agencies
were
> left without maintenance and repair options. Eventually thru neglect or
> lack of interest these same vehicles found their way onto DRMO lots for
> consumer purchase but little mainenance material or replacement parts for
> any die-hard ev fan.
>
> The Think was discontinued and the factory left to fend for themselves in
> staying operational.
>
> The Escape hybrid marketed in 2006 has experienced almost no continued
> marketing support since its debut.
>
> I am a diehard Ford owner and even I am on the "I'll wait and see"
approach
> whether Ford is truly committed to EV.
>
>
>
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If you can do it yourself, or if you have an electrician friend who will
give you a special rate, yes. I could do either... but for the average
public, to go out and hire an electrician for $75 to $100/hr, probably more
like $400+ for a relatively simple addition of a $40 socket -- if it's
pretty near the electrical service. I think that many people will find that
charging at home is way more convenient than going to a charging station
anyway once they get used to it... for me the closest gas station is 12
miles away, and I'm always making trips JUST to get gas for vehicles that
otherwise wouldn't go that far. I have at least 5 vehicles that usually
don't go farther than that from home.

I think the lack of service is the bigger real roadblock... most people
don't know anything about their car, so having a service center
knowledgeable about it is key.

Z



On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> Does it really only cost $125 to have a Nema plug installed in Florida? I
> cannot even begin to have a Nema Plug installed in my garage up in NJ for
> that little.
>
> Doing my part based on your "roll out" initiative referenced below.
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
> 973-440-1619 (fax)
>
> ELECTRIC CAR PRODUCERS
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> Of Dennis Miles
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:18 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford must be SERIOUS -Ed Bagley Jr. backs FORD
>
> Gentlemen and Ladies,
> I have said it before and I will keep saying it until "IT Happens;"
> There are two infrastructures in place for ICE cars and the equivalent need
> to be established for Electric cars for there can never be a viable
> marketplace without BOTH of them.
>
> FIRST: is a substantial, widespread fuel supply network, Gas and Diesel are
> in place; Electric Recharging is not as yet,(Although it has been started,
> there is a lot of progress yet to be accomplished as obviously the
> installation and purchase prices are obscene, and no one with an EV should
> have to pay $4500 for the equivalent to what a RV owner can get for $ 125
> (240 [email protected] 30A.).[a dryer outlet installed!]
>
> SECOND: is a well trained and equipped and widespread availability of
> service and repair, not just at selected Dealerships, Everywhere one can
> get
> an ICE auto fixed should be able to service and repair an EV also.
> Apparently at this time if you want more than a car wash or tire pressure
> check you must take your EV to the Dealer"s service shop. Or "Do it
> yourself." A friend bought a new car for Thanksgiving, Seven items required
> a day each for the dealer to make them right under warranty. a tire, two
> engine sensors, a replacement electric window motor, adjusting the
> Emergency
> brake, a SLI battery replacement, and a power steering pump. Almost three
> weeks to get it all fixed. BUT the nearest EV dealership is 245 miles away
> (Much more of a nightmare!) Would you buy what you cannot fix yourself if
> service is over 200 miles away?
>
> I am a believer in EV and I have worn the EV Grin many times in the many EV
> I have had but would I recommend one to a Driver who is not a mechanic with
> EV training? NO ! Not until there a lot more EV service Agencies
> available. We need to change that ! (Will you help me ? )
>
>
> Regards,
> *Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
> *www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
> EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
> *
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> The "Stone Age" didn't end because they ran out of Stones;
> It ended because they started using their Brains !
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
lyle sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I can definitely see how some long time members of this list may view
> Ford
> > and this ad as lacking commitment and insulting. Afterall, in recent
> > history, Ford's previous EV products left many out in the cold.
> >
> > The Ford ranger EV was sold mainly to government agencies. Then ford
> > stopped supporting still-operational vehicles whether thru end of vendor
> > life or hoped for government contract re-negotiation, so these agencies
> were
> > left without maintenance and repair options. Eventually thru neglect or
> > lack of interest these same vehicles found their way onto DRMO lots for
> > consumer purchase but little mainenance material or replacement parts for
> > any die-hard ev fan.
> >
> > The Think was discontinued and the factory left to fend for themselves in
> > staying operational.
> >
> > The Escape hybrid marketed in 2006 has experienced almost no continued
> > marketing support since its debut.
> >
> > I am a diehard Ford owner and even I am on the "I'll wait and see"
> approach
> > whether Ford is truly committed to EV.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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I'd say with the limited number of EV's that will be available in the near
future and their limited range anyone buying them will be near their dealer,
where they can be serviced, which I rather doubt they will need much of
anyway. It's an EV after all.

Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
>
> I think the lack of service is the bigger real roadblock... most people
> don't know anything about their car, so having a service center
> knowledgeable about it is key.
>
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OK,Doug,
Your right my estimate was 10 years out of date a call to a local
electrician profuced a reply to drop a NEMA plug installed within 10 feet of
the main Electrical Panel with a 40 amp 220 breaker, wire in conduit on
surface of wall and socket got me an estimate of about $450. Still that is
1/10 of a Coulomb Industries Charging Station and installation. Of course a
hobyist doing it himself without a permit would be considerably more
reasonable. (Yes, I know that is not recommended by the UBEW; they
say,"Wiring is NO Hobby!")
Regards,
*Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
*www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
*
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The "Stone Age" didn't end because they ran out of Stones;
It ended because they started using their Brains !
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> Does it really only cost $125 to have a Nema plug installed in Florida? I
> cannot even begin to have a Nema Plug installed in my garage up in NJ for
> that little.
>
> Doing my part based on your "roll out" initiative referenced below.
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
> 973-440-1619 (fax)
>
> ELECTRIC CAR PRODUCERS
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> Of Dennis Miles
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:18 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford must be SERIOUS -Ed Bagley Jr. backs FORD
>
> Gentlemen and Ladies,
> I have said it before and I will keep saying it until "IT Happens;"
> There are two infrastructures in place for ICE cars and the equivalent need
> to be established for Electric cars for there can never be a viable
> marketplace without BOTH of them.
>
> FIRST: is a substantial, widespread fuel supply network, Gas and Diesel are
> in place; Electric Recharging is not as yet,(Although it has been started,
> there is a lot of progress yet to be accomplished as obviously the
> installation and purchase prices are obscene, and no one with an EV should
> have to pay $4500 for the equivalent to what a RV owner can get for $ 125
> (240 [email protected] 30A.).[a dryer outlet installed!]
>
> SECOND: is a well trained and equipped and widespread availability of
> service and repair, not just at selected Dealerships, Everywhere one can
> get
> an ICE auto fixed should be able to service and repair an EV also.
> Apparently at this time if you want more than a car wash or tire pressure
> check you must take your EV to the Dealer"s service shop. Or "Do it
> yourself." A friend bought a new car for Thanksgiving, Seven items required
> a day each for the dealer to make them right under warranty. a tire, two
> engine sensors, a replacement electric window motor, adjusting the
> Emergency
> brake, a SLI battery replacement, and a power steering pump. Almost three
> weeks to get it all fixed. BUT the nearest EV dealership is 245 miles away
> (Much more of a nightmare!) Would you buy what you cannot fix yourself if
> service is over 200 miles away?
>
> I am a believer in EV and I have worn the EV Grin many times in the many EV
> I have had but would I recommend one to a Driver who is not a mechanic with
> EV training? NO ! Not until there a lot more EV service Agencies
> available. We need to change that ! (Will you help me ? )
>
>
> Regards,
> *Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
> *www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
> EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
> *
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> The "Stone Age" didn't end because they ran out of Stones;
> It ended because they started using their Brains !
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
lyle sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I can definitely see how some long time members of this list may view
> Ford
> > and this ad as lacking commitment and insulting. Afterall, in recent
> > history, Ford's previous EV products left many out in the cold.
> >
> > The Ford ranger EV was sold mainly to government agencies. Then ford
> > stopped supporting still-operational vehicles whether thru end of vendor
> > life or hoped for government contract re-negotiation, so these agencies
> were
> > left without maintenance and repair options. Eventually thru neglect or
> > lack of interest these same vehicles found their way onto DRMO lots for
> > consumer purchase but little mainenance material or replacement parts for
> > any die-hard ev fan.
> >
> > The Think was discontinued and the factory left to fend for themselves in
> > staying operational.
> >
> > The Escape hybrid marketed in 2006 has experienced almost no continued
> > marketing support since its debut.
> >
> > I am a diehard Ford owner and even I am on the "I'll wait and see"
> approach
> > whether Ford is truly committed to EV.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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