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Im interested in experimenting with Hydrogen fuel cells. Is there a supplier thats good to deal with or are they as difficult to get as A123 cells?

What are typical voltages and currents achievable with a cell.
How do they compare size/weight to power ratio to lithium cells?

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Andrew


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Hello Andrew,

Fuel cells required a lot of accessory equipment to operated. You do not
want a PEM type of fuel cell which requires a hydrogen fuel in large
insulated pressurized tanks.

It is best to use the AFC type which converts Anhydrous Ammonia to pure
hydrogen for a on board mobile unit. This still takes a lot of accessory
equipment to operated.

The Anhydrous Ammonia is very dangerous which you need a special training,
storage facilities, permits, insurances and licenses to handle.

Here is some data from a research company that I have been in contact since
1968. I received my first proto type EV from them in 1976. They may list
several companies that have a license right to produce these units. I
remember that one company was in Germany producing 5 kw units at 120 volts
for military field use.

http://electricauto.com/fc_prog.html

Roland


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Wood" <[email protected]>
To: "EVDL" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Fuel Cell sources?


> Im interested in experimenting with Hydrogen fuel cells. Is there a
> supplier thats good to deal with or are they as difficult to get as A123
> cells?
>
> What are typical voltages and currents achievable with a cell.
> How do they compare size/weight to power ratio to lithium cells?
>
> Regards
> Andrew
>
>
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Roland, is there anything you haven't been involved in? How do you manage
it! (rhetorical question - you don't need to answer)

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Roland Wiench
Sent: 12 November, 2010 1:19 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fuel Cell sources?

Hello Andrew,

Fuel cells required a lot of accessory equipment to operated. You do not
want a PEM type of fuel cell which requires a hydrogen fuel in large
insulated pressurized tanks.

It is best to use the AFC type which converts Anhydrous Ammonia to pure
hydrogen for a on board mobile unit. This still takes a lot of accessory
equipment to operated.

The Anhydrous Ammonia is very dangerous which you need a special training,
storage facilities, permits, insurances and licenses to handle.

Here is some data from a research company that I have been in contact since
1968. I received my first proto type EV from them in 1976. They may list
several companies that have a license right to produce these units. I
remember that one company was in Germany producing 5 kw units at 120 volts
for military field use.

http://electricauto.com/fc_prog.html

Roland


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Wood" <[email protected]>
To: "EVDL" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Fuel Cell sources?


> Im interested in experimenting with Hydrogen fuel cells. Is there a
> supplier thats good to deal with or are they as difficult to get as A123
> cells?
>
> What are typical voltages and currents achievable with a cell.
> How do they compare size/weight to power ratio to lithium cells?
>
> Regards
> Andrew
>
>
> Sent from iPhone
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Hello Peri,

I have done about every thing except operate on other people, I let my
nephews who are Doctors do that. I started in the electrical science back
in 1944 experimenting in my father's electrical lab at his electrical
company. I built overhead electric trolley systems and a electric force
field that kept dogs out of our garden.

We had one old electrical worker which also did geophysic work back then
that actual work with Nickola Tesla on his air-ground electrical towers in
Colorado.

I then study the Geophysics sciences and built equipment which is use to
detect deposits in the earth. I also experiment with ground penetrating
radio equipment, which can determine the depth and dielectric of compounds.

During all that, its been designing and constructing EV's .

Roland








----- Original Message -----
From: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]>
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fuel Cell sources?


> Roland, is there anything you haven't been involved in? How do you manage
> it! (rhetorical question - you don't need to answer)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> Of Roland Wiench
> Sent: 12 November, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fuel Cell sources?
>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> Fuel cells required a lot of accessory equipment to operated. You do not
> want a PEM type of fuel cell which requires a hydrogen fuel in large
> insulated pressurized tanks.
>
> It is best to use the AFC type which converts Anhydrous Ammonia to pure
> hydrogen for a on board mobile unit. This still takes a lot of accessory
> equipment to operated.
>
> The Anhydrous Ammonia is very dangerous which you need a special training,
> storage facilities, permits, insurances and licenses to handle.
>
> Here is some data from a research company that I have been in contact
> since
> 1968. I received my first proto type EV from them in 1976. They may list
> several companies that have a license right to produce these units. I
> remember that one company was in Germany producing 5 kw units at 120 volts
> for military field use.
>
> http://electricauto.com/fc_prog.html
>
> Roland
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Wood" <[email protected]>
> To: "EVDL" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:45 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Fuel Cell sources?
>
>
> > Im interested in experimenting with Hydrogen fuel cells. Is there a
> > supplier thats good to deal with or are they as difficult to get as A123
> > cells?
> >
> > What are typical voltages and currents achievable with a cell.
> > How do they compare size/weight to power ratio to lithium cells?
> >
> > Regards
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > Sent from iPhone
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On 12 Nov 2010 at 19:45, Andrew Wood wrote:

> Im interested in experimenting with Hydrogen fuel cells. Is there a supplier
> thats good to deal with or are they as difficult to get as A123 cells?

Have you heard of the New Jersey Venturer? It was a project fuel cell /
battery EV hybrid built at Rutgers about a dozen years ago. They used
bottled hydrogen fuel cells designed to power highway traffic signs; they
seemed to think that was the most practical approach.

It was quite a complex vehicle, but it worked. They ran it in the TdS in
1999 and 2000.

http://www.venturer.rutgers.edu/

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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