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Out of all the car people I've ever approached about EVs; I've never
had one take an interest to it.

My guesses are many. I think it's because it's "new" and "different"
and out of their comfort zone and also, not something they know about
or are well versed in. Also the fact that it's uncommon and "not
everyone is doing it" and they not being early adopters, explorers, or
adventurers. One thing that doesn't help is the flat out, right up
front, cost of the components. Another is the unknowns of performance
and range they would ultimately have and also, their perceptions and
impressions of performance and range of EVs they may have previously
read about or seen. Some of them have too much invested in their fuel
burner(time/money). Some of them might not even have the skills to do
a conversion or electricity in general doesn't appeal to them or like
many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most of electricity's
various nuances. Another could be they just don't desire to own or be
involved with an EV for whatever reason. Car type people are somewhat
rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor heads/drag racers/hot
rodders)*.

I personally like the challenge of getting both the desired
performance and range out of the EV package and also the lack of
emissions and maintenance. The price though. I need to make more
money. I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..




*I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals, bearings, gear
swap, clutches in the traction-loc). During the setup of the ring and
pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few people will EVER do
that with a differential and how FEW people out of all of human
existence from beginning to end will EVER do that. It was a moment to
say the least.

I bought a turbo for $500:

http://www.miketurboinc.com/specials.htm

Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need two if John has
success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor setup from Jim, and
60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger from Rich.

It all goes back too: The very same people who can't pony up the cash
for a conversion are the very same ones who can purchase a brand new
2008 model car for ~$30,000. All because they can pay it off at
$200/300/400+ a month. Same goes for a $150-$200k+ house. And they
have both. But an EV conversion? Totally out of the budget.

Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month? How about the motor for $100 a
month? Would definitely make EV conversions affordable. I definitely
have $200 each month...

I hear you , I hear you. Put it all on some credit card or take out
some sort of loan to cover the conversion?

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I'd suggest approaching people that have the same
interests you have, explore within yourself why you
like EV's, and did a conversion. Now with that
information, think about how an EV'r could have found
you in order to get you intersted in EV's. Those
people, and place where they hang out, would most
likely be where you'd find others that would join you
in building and driving EV's.

The Dallas(NTEAA)EV club, is trying to get more people
interested and so, I brought up the above mentioned
question for the members present to answer. We are
now going to attempt an EV display at a Surplus
Electronics store in the Dallas area to see if the
theory works.

Now on another note, the club president has been
looking out for local car shows, and entering his EV's
as he finds these shows. Guess what, the majority of
the crowd are more interested in the EV's than the
muscle car with the blower hanging out of the hood. He
even won a trophy at one of them.


--- Ryan Stotts <[email protected]> wrote:

> Out of all the car people I've ever approached about
> EVs; I've never
> had one take an interest to it.
>
> My guesses are many. I think it's because it's
> "new" and "different"
> and out of their comfort zone and also, not
> something they know about
> or are well versed in. Also the fact that it's
> uncommon and "not
> everyone is doing it" and they not being early
> adopters, explorers, or
> adventurers. One thing that doesn't help is the
> flat out, right up
> front, cost of the components. Another is the
> unknowns of performance
> and range they would ultimately have and also, their
> perceptions and
> impressions of performance and range of EVs they may
> have previously
> read about or seen. Some of them have too much
> invested in their fuel
> burner(time/money). Some of them might not even
> have the skills to do
> a conversion or electricity in general doesn't
> appeal to them or like
> many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most
> of electricity's
> various nuances. Another could be they just don't
> desire to own or be
> involved with an EV for whatever reason. Car type
> people are somewhat
> rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor
> heads/drag racers/hot
> rodders)*.
>
> I personally like the challenge of getting both the
> desired
> performance and range out of the EV package and also
> the lack of
> emissions and maintenance. The price though. I
> need to make more
> money. I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..
>
>
>
>
> *I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals,
> bearings, gear
> swap, clutches in the traction-loc). During the
> setup of the ring and
> pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few
> people will EVER do
> that with a differential and how FEW people out of
> all of human
> existence from beginning to end will EVER do that.
> It was a moment to
> say the least.
>
> I bought a turbo for $500:
>
> http://www.miketurboinc.com/specials.htm
>
> Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need
> two if John has
> success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor
> setup from Jim, and
> 60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger
> from Rich.
>
> It all goes back too: The very same people who
> can't pony up the cash
> for a conversion are the very same ones who can
> purchase a brand new
> 2008 model car for ~$30,000. All because they can
> pay it off at
> $200/300/400+ a month. Same goes for a $150-$200k+
> house. And they
> have both. But an EV conversion? Totally out of
> the budget.
>
> Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month? How about the
> motor for $100 a
> month? Would definitely make EV conversions
> affordable. I definitely
> have $200 each month...
>
> I hear you , I hear you. Put it all on some credit
> card or take out
> some sort of loan to cover the conversion?
>
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> I'd suggest approaching people that have the same
> interests you have,

> think about how an EV'r could have found you

There might be 3 EV'rs in the entire state. ;)

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Ask them again when gas is $10 a gallon and you're tooling around for
pennies a mile.

-----Original Message-----
Out of all the car people I've ever approached about EVs; I've never had one
take an interest to it.


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--- Ryan Stotts <[email protected]> wrote:

> Out of all the car people I've ever approached about
> EVs; I've never
> had one take an interest to it.

Hey Ryan

WOW, what a bummer, cause I can't talk fast enough
these days 8^o LMAO I'm actually horse from the
weekend! Man, you got to move to Oregon or Florida or
something, hehe.
>
> My guesses are many. I think it's because it's
> "new" and "different"
> and out of their comfort zone and also, not
> something they know about
> or are well versed in. Also the fact that it's
> uncommon and "not
> everyone is doing it" and they not being early
> adopters, explorers, or
> adventurers.

I'll conceed that it's not EVeryone cup of tea, nor do
I sell it as such. Just this evening I had a call
from a 68 year old gentleman who ran against Wayland
at PIR back in 04 just before John and I met. Well I
spent 2 hours chatting with the guy (thanks Steve, FT,
LMAO) explaining basic EV options and issues and why I
couldn't inform him of his best motor option without
knowing other facts, lol. I sent him to the EV photo
album (God that site can save a man some time)(You
rock Mike the sites awesome, send people there daily
anymore it feels 8^)

The one thing against the adventurer / explorer thing
is mankind is always advancing. In fact I know that
most people are sheep, but all sheep need, is a good
shepard to lead and they'll just bahhh themselves to
death to follow 8^)

> One thing that doesn't help is the
> flat out, right up
> front, cost of the components.

You know, when you buy a car they make you pay, it
comes out of the paycheck first kinda thing! Reminds
me of my late brother in law who went to buy a new car
and they were pretty high intrest and I advised
putting that payment into the bank EVery month for two
years and keep his car until then. About 18 months
into the payments the car became less fun and a huge
burden but he still made those payments, for 3 1/2
years, LMAO! If you're serious about owning an EV
then in two years time (it'll blow right by, believe
me) you be looking set to rock, maybe enough to
impress EVen your power hungry self 8^P

> Another is the
> unknowns of performance
> and range they would ultimately have and also, their
> perceptions and
> impressions of performance and range of EVs they may
> have previously
> read about or seen.

It is unfortunent that there isn't that ICE to EV
info. Imagine how it's been for the guys doing it 20
years ago 8^o Damn candy store now by comparison, so
it's getting there. Like discussed above there are
many sheep that need to touch, hear, and taste it
before they'll jump aboard, sounds like we need a
shepard where you live, you up to the challenge 8^)

> Some of them have too much
> invested in their fuel
> burner(time/money). Some of them might not even
> have the skills to do
> a conversion or electricity in general doesn't
> appeal to them or like
> many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most
> of electricity's
> various nuances. Another could be they just don't
> desire to own or be
> involved with an EV for whatever reason. Car type
> people are somewhat
> rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor
> heads/drag racers/hot
> rodders)*.

No one can save the world, I know I'd hate to have
that on my shoulders 8^o but I can help shape and mold
my local group and those that come into my life.
I've talked to hundreds of people in the last 2 years
and although but a few, I see people here that I've
introduced here. It's like fishing, you hook and
loose 20 before you get one in (hey I never said I was
good at fishing, just like to fish, kind of the same
thing with the EV gossple 8^)

> I personally like the challenge of getting both the
> desired
> performance and range out of the EV package and also
> the lack of
> emissions and maintenance. The price though. I
> need to make more
> money. I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..

Well you and me both 8^) Cost is a factor for many of
us. That's why I'm starting small and working up,
just got me a kickin Gocart from Brian Hall for some
motor work I'll be throwing some love into soon 8^)
Beyond that though my focus is my shop so it's hard
for me to justify money for a car when it can go into
the shop and serve a larger purpose so to speak (for
those who worry about my EV-lessness). Anyway I also
think that small and perky can be just as impressive
as large and scary beyond imagination, but then that's
just me 8^) I'm sure my Gocart will snap a few heads
8^P

> *I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals,
> bearings, gear
> swap, clutches in the traction-loc). During the
> setup of the ring and
> pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few
> people will EVER do
> that with a differential and how FEW people out of
> all of human
> existence from beginning to end will EVER do that.
> It was a moment to
> say the least.

You know I was elbow deep in a slimy piece of crap
forklift motor and thought that very same thing today
8^P LMAO!

> Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need
> two if John has
> success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor
> setup from Jim, and
> 60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger
> from Rich.

You know Ryan no goal is EVer met unless you really
want it 8^) Think about all those Hooter girls you're
passing by right now, when you could be throwing them
around the parking lot if you had a fast EV 8^o (yeah
that goes for you to Matt 8^) (Ohh ya that's right you
have that I'm married excuse thing going on now 8^P

EVen John and Bill, you don't think they work their
butts off getting sponsors on top of their out of
pocket expences! I bet it's a second job (and that's
after they had fast EV's, but they do what it takes
cause it's something they want and believe in 8^)


> It all goes back too: The very same people who
> can't pony up the cash
> for a conversion are the very same ones who can
> purchase a brand new
> 2008 model car for ~$30,000. All because they can
> pay it off at
> $200/300/400+ a month. Same goes for a $150-$200k+
> house. And they
> have both. But an EV conversion? Totally out of
> the budget.

On top of my above thoughts why does it matter? Each
of us has to walk our own path, what does Ryan want?
How bad do you want it? and what are you willing to do
to achieve it? I don't bumm out if someone doesn't
follow, I move to the next guy in line, LMAO.

> Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month? How about the
> motor for $100 a
> month? Would definitely make EV conversions
> affordable. I definitely
> have $200 each month...
>
> I hear you , I hear you. Put it all on some credit
> card or take out
> some sort of loan to cover the conversion?

God I feel old saying this but, Life don't owe you a
living, sieze the day. I've read most if not all your
posts and I'm bet to say you'd build a rad EV if you
put your mind and heart into it. Those same people
you describe will be on you like shit on a stick
wanting to know alllll about it. One day you'll look
back and find you weren't half bad a shepard either
I'm thinking 8^)

Anyway I just wanted to throw some of my thoughts at
you and hope they are well received (better be or I'll
stab you with my Spartan spear when we meet)(I'm sure
we'll meet someday so you better not give me any
Nanny, Nanny either 8^P LMAO Build a gocart if you're
that money tight I'll set you up on payments for a
small motor, No that offer doesn't stand for you other
1000 motor weasles 8^) I'm just tired of hearing
about it and I'm guessing that if we get this man an
EV grin there'll be no stopping him, LMAO!

Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric

BTW Ryan EVeryone's ticked at you now cause I spent my
time writing this and not my PIR post, LMAO 8^P I
don't know bout the rest of you folks but I was like
walking flesh today! Always fun, always worth it
though 8^) Getting people turned on HAH! I can't
shake them all off my leg fast enough 8^o



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Let's find solutions.

Fact: an EV conversion capable of impressing someone who is used to ICE
acceleration and creature comforts is going to be expensive.

Two solutions: The first is time. In time there will be enough competition
in the marketplace to drive down component costs, especially batteries.
Until then, does anyone know of a bank/credit union/private lending group
that understands EVs and offers loans specifically for EVs and conversions?
My guess is that such a thing doesn't exist, but it should. Until then, it's
going to be home equity loans and lines of credit to get the job done,
except for those few with cash in hand.

Fact: There are too few conversion specialists out there right now, and
their products get too little exposure.

Solution: This is changing, albeit to slowly for my taste. More and more EVs
are making a splash in the media. Appearance, feature content, range, and
power are all improving quickly. But cottage industry conversion specialists
are rare. Perhaps those in the business now should take the long view. Take
lots of photos and video of each conversion and make as big a splash as you
can with each one. Encourage mechanics and electrical engineers to attend
workshops and learn about what's involved in a properly done conversion.
Take on apprentices. Don't be worried about local competition taking away
conversion business. Do the job properly and there will be plenty of work
for everyone. Consider that in fifteen years young mechanics will be
learning about EV repair and maintenance in school and ICE wrenching will be
a dirty, fading memory.

Until then, work hard and be smart. Find a way to put at least one EV on the
road in your household, even if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Think
long-term. We're building the future, and we're late.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[email protected]>
To: "EVDL" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs


> Out of all the car people I've ever approached about EVs; I've never
> had one take an interest to it.
>
> My guesses are many. I think it's because it's "new" and "different"
> and out of their comfort zone and also, not something they know about
> or are well versed in. Also the fact that it's uncommon and "not
> everyone is doing it" and they not being early adopters, explorers, or
> adventurers. One thing that doesn't help is the flat out, right up
> front, cost of the components. Another is the unknowns of performance
> and range they would ultimately have and also, their perceptions and
> impressions of performance and range of EVs they may have previously
> read about or seen. Some of them have too much invested in their fuel
> burner(time/money). Some of them might not even have the skills to do
> a conversion or electricity in general doesn't appeal to them or like
> many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most of electricity's
> various nuances. Another could be they just don't desire to own or be
> involved with an EV for whatever reason. Car type people are somewhat
> rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor heads/drag racers/hot
> rodders)*.
>
> I personally like the challenge of getting both the desired
> performance and range out of the EV package and also the lack of
> emissions and maintenance. The price though. I need to make more
> money. I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..
>
>
>
>
> *I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals, bearings, gear
> swap, clutches in the traction-loc). During the setup of the ring and
> pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few people will EVER do
> that with a differential and how FEW people out of all of human
> existence from beginning to end will EVER do that. It was a moment to
> say the least.
>
> I bought a turbo for $500:
>
> http://www.miketurboinc.com/specials.htm
>
> Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need two if John has
> success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor setup from Jim, and
> 60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger from Rich.
>
> It all goes back too: The very same people who can't pony up the cash
> for a conversion are the very same ones who can purchase a brand new
> 2008 model car for ~$30,000. All because they can pay it off at
> $200/300/400+ a month. Same goes for a $150-$200k+ house. And they
> have both. But an EV conversion? Totally out of the budget.
>
> Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month? How about the motor for $100 a
> month? Would definitely make EV conversions affordable. I definitely
> have $200 each month...
>
> I hear you , I hear you. Put it all on some credit card or take out
> some sort of loan to cover the conversion?
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev

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Let's find solutions.

Fact: an EV conversion capable of impressing someone who is used to ICE
acceleration and creature comforts is going to be expensive.

Two solutions: The first is time. In time there will be enough competition
in the marketplace to drive down component costs, especially batteries.
Until then, does anyone know of a bank/credit union/private lending group
that understands EVs and offers loans specifically for EVs and conversions?
My guess is that such a thing doesn't exist, but it should. Until then, it's
going to be home equity loans and lines of credit to get the job done,
except for those few with cash in hand.

Fact: There are too few conversion specialists out there right now, and
their products get too little exposure.

Solution: This is changing, albeit to slowly for my taste. More and more EVs
are making a splash in the media. Appearance, feature content, range, and
power are all improving quickly. But cottage industry conversion specialists
are rare. Perhaps those in the business now should take the long view. Take
lots of photos and video of each conversion and make as big a splash as you
can with each one. Encourage mechanics and electrical engineers to attend
workshops and learn about what's involved in a properly done conversion.
Take on apprentices. Don't be worried about local competition taking away
conversion business. Do the job properly and there will be plenty of work
for everyone. Consider that in fifteen years young mechanics will be
learning about EV repair and maintenance in school and ICE wrenching will be
a dirty, fading memory.

Until then, work hard and be smart. Find a way to put at least one EV on the
road in your household, even if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Think
long-term. We're building the future, and we're late.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Husted" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs


>
> --- Ryan Stotts <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Out of all the car people I've ever approached about
>> EVs; I've never
>> had one take an interest to it.
>
> Hey Ryan
>
> WOW, what a bummer, cause I can't talk fast enough
> these days 8^o LMAO I'm actually horse from the
> weekend! Man, you got to move to Oregon or Florida or
> something, hehe.
>>
>> My guesses are many. I think it's because it's
>> "new" and "different"
>> and out of their comfort zone and also, not
>> something they know about
>> or are well versed in. Also the fact that it's
>> uncommon and "not
>> everyone is doing it" and they not being early
>> adopters, explorers, or
>> adventurers.
>
> I'll conceed that it's not EVeryone cup of tea, nor do
> I sell it as such. Just this evening I had a call
> from a 68 year old gentleman who ran against Wayland
> at PIR back in 04 just before John and I met. Well I
> spent 2 hours chatting with the guy (thanks Steve, FT,
> LMAO) explaining basic EV options and issues and why I
> couldn't inform him of his best motor option without
> knowing other facts, lol. I sent him to the EV photo
> album (God that site can save a man some time)(You
> rock Mike the sites awesome, send people there daily
> anymore it feels 8^)
>
> The one thing against the adventurer / explorer thing
> is mankind is always advancing. In fact I know that
> most people are sheep, but all sheep need, is a good
> shepard to lead and they'll just bahhh themselves to
> death to follow 8^)
>
>> One thing that doesn't help is the
>> flat out, right up
>> front, cost of the components.
>
> You know, when you buy a car they make you pay, it
> comes out of the paycheck first kinda thing! Reminds
> me of my late brother in law who went to buy a new car
> and they were pretty high intrest and I advised
> putting that payment into the bank EVery month for two
> years and keep his car until then. About 18 months
> into the payments the car became less fun and a huge
> burden but he still made those payments, for 3 1/2
> years, LMAO! If you're serious about owning an EV
> then in two years time (it'll blow right by, believe
> me) you be looking set to rock, maybe enough to
> impress EVen your power hungry self 8^P
>
>> Another is the
>> unknowns of performance
>> and range they would ultimately have and also, their
>> perceptions and
>> impressions of performance and range of EVs they may
>> have previously
>> read about or seen.
>
> It is unfortunent that there isn't that ICE to EV
> info. Imagine how it's been for the guys doing it 20
> years ago 8^o Damn candy store now by comparison, so
> it's getting there. Like discussed above there are
> many sheep that need to touch, hear, and taste it
> before they'll jump aboard, sounds like we need a
> shepard where you live, you up to the challenge 8^)
>
>> Some of them have too much
>> invested in their fuel
>> burner(time/money). Some of them might not even
>> have the skills to do
>> a conversion or electricity in general doesn't
>> appeal to them or like
>> many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most
>> of electricity's
>> various nuances. Another could be they just don't
>> desire to own or be
>> involved with an EV for whatever reason. Car type
>> people are somewhat
>> rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor
>> heads/drag racers/hot
>> rodders)*.
>
> No one can save the world, I know I'd hate to have
> that on my shoulders 8^o but I can help shape and mold
> my local group and those that come into my life.
> I've talked to hundreds of people in the last 2 years
> and although but a few, I see people here that I've
> introduced here. It's like fishing, you hook and
> loose 20 before you get one in (hey I never said I was
> good at fishing, just like to fish, kind of the same
> thing with the EV gossple 8^)
>
>> I personally like the challenge of getting both the
>> desired
>> performance and range out of the EV package and also
>> the lack of
>> emissions and maintenance. The price though. I
>> need to make more
>> money. I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..
>
> Well you and me both 8^) Cost is a factor for many of
> us. That's why I'm starting small and working up,
> just got me a kickin Gocart from Brian Hall for some
> motor work I'll be throwing some love into soon 8^)
> Beyond that though my focus is my shop so it's hard
> for me to justify money for a car when it can go into
> the shop and serve a larger purpose so to speak (for
> those who worry about my EV-lessness). Anyway I also
> think that small and perky can be just as impressive
> as large and scary beyond imagination, but then that's
> just me 8^) I'm sure my Gocart will snap a few heads
> 8^P
>
>> *I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals,
>> bearings, gear
>> swap, clutches in the traction-loc). During the
>> setup of the ring and
>> pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few
>> people will EVER do
>> that with a differential and how FEW people out of
>> all of human
>> existence from beginning to end will EVER do that.
>> It was a moment to
>> say the least.
>
> You know I was elbow deep in a slimy piece of crap
> forklift motor and thought that very same thing today
> 8^P LMAO!
>
>> Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need
>> two if John has
>> success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor
>> setup from Jim, and
>> 60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger
>> from Rich.
>
> You know Ryan no goal is EVer met unless you really
> want it 8^) Think about all those Hooter girls you're
> passing by right now, when you could be throwing them
> around the parking lot if you had a fast EV 8^o (yeah
> that goes for you to Matt 8^) (Ohh ya that's right you
> have that I'm married excuse thing going on now 8^P
>
> EVen John and Bill, you don't think they work their
> butts off getting sponsors on top of their out of
> pocket expences! I bet it's a second job (and that's
> after they had fast EV's, but they do what it takes
> cause it's something they want and believe in 8^)
>
>
>> It all goes back too: The very same people who
>> can't pony up the cash
>> for a conversion are the very same ones who can
>> purchase a brand new
>> 2008 model car for ~$30,000. All because they can
>> pay it off at
>> $200/300/400+ a month. Same goes for a $150-$200k+
>> house. And they
>> have both. But an EV conversion? Totally out of
>> the budget.
>
> On top of my above thoughts why does it matter? Each
> of us has to walk our own path, what does Ryan want?
> How bad do you want it? and what are you willing to do
> to achieve it? I don't bumm out if someone doesn't
> follow, I move to the next guy in line, LMAO.
>
>> Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month? How about the
>> motor for $100 a
>> month? Would definitely make EV conversions
>> affordable. I definitely
>> have $200 each month...
>>
>> I hear you , I hear you. Put it all on some credit
>> card or take out
>> some sort of loan to cover the conversion?
>
> God I feel old saying this but, Life don't owe you a
> living, sieze the day. I've read most if not all your
> posts and I'm bet to say you'd build a rad EV if you
> put your mind and heart into it. Those same people
> you describe will be on you like shit on a stick
> wanting to know alllll about it. One day you'll look
> back and find you weren't half bad a shepard either
> I'm thinking 8^)
>
> Anyway I just wanted to throw some of my thoughts at
> you and hope they are well received (better be or I'll
> stab you with my Spartan spear when we meet)(I'm sure
> we'll meet someday so you better not give me any
> Nanny, Nanny either 8^P LMAO Build a gocart if you're
> that money tight I'll set you up on payments for a
> small motor, No that offer doesn't stand for you other
> 1000 motor weasles 8^) I'm just tired of hearing
> about it and I'm guessing that if we get this man an
> EV grin there'll be no stopping him, LMAO!
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
> BTW Ryan EVeryone's ticked at you now cause I spent my
> time writing this and not my PIR post, LMAO 8^P I
> don't know bout the rest of you folks but I was like
> walking flesh today! Always fun, always worth it
> though 8^) Getting people turned on HAH! I can't
> shake them all off my leg fast enough 8^o
>
>
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I hear what you are saying. which is why I'm pushing for an open source
cheap and powerful controller that people can make for themselves or
even to sell to others. preferably including charger and DCDC because
those 3 components make up a relatively nasty chunk of money and they
don't really have to. a single cheap unit would make a lot of difference.

a good and easy way to get the motor coupler would be a great help too.
doesn't have to be super cheap if we could just eliminate that custom
element. you can buy some for 750$ if the patterns are known but
naturally they don't have for all possible cars yet.

batteries is another semi problem but that's harder for us as
enthusiasts to fix. but can we fix the two first then I think we are in
a good position to force the hand of big auto if they decide to keep
stalling and never give us the real deal.

Dan

Loni wrote:
> Let's find solutions.
>
> Fact: an EV conversion capable of impressing someone who is used to ICE
> acceleration and creature comforts is going to be expensive.
>
> Two solutions: The first is time. In time there will be enough competition
> in the marketplace to drive down component costs, especially batteries.
> Until then, does anyone know of a bank/credit union/private lending group
> that understands EVs and offers loans specifically for EVs and conversions?
> My guess is that such a thing doesn't exist, but it should. Until then, it's
> going to be home equity loans and lines of credit to get the job done,
> except for those few with cash in hand.
>
> Fact: There are too few conversion specialists out there right now, and
> their products get too little exposure.
>
> Solution: This is changing, albeit to slowly for my taste. More and more EVs
> are making a splash in the media. Appearance, feature content, range, and
> power are all improving quickly. But cottage industry conversion specialists
> are rare. Perhaps those in the business now should take the long view. Take
> lots of photos and video of each conversion and make as big a splash as you
> can with each one. Encourage mechanics and electrical engineers to attend
> workshops and learn about what's involved in a properly done conversion.
> Take on apprentices. Don't be worried about local competition taking away
> conversion business. Do the job properly and there will be plenty of work
> for everyone. Consider that in fifteen years young mechanics will be
> learning about EV repair and maintenance in school and ICE wrenching will be
> a dirty, fading memory.
>
> Until then, work hard and be smart. Find a way to put at least one EV on the
> road in your household, even if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Think
> long-term. We're building the future, and we're late.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Stotts" <[email protected]>
> To: "EVDL" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:46 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs
>
>
>
>> Out of all the car people I've ever approached about EVs; I've never
>> had one take an interest to it.
>>
>> My guesses are many. I think it's because it's "new" and "different"
>> and out of their comfort zone and also, not something they know about
>> or are well versed in. Also the fact that it's uncommon and "not
>> everyone is doing it" and they not being early adopters, explorers, or
>> adventurers. One thing that doesn't help is the flat out, right up
>> front, cost of the components. Another is the unknowns of performance
>> and range they would ultimately have and also, their perceptions and
>> impressions of performance and range of EVs they may have previously
>> read about or seen. Some of them have too much invested in their fuel
>> burner(time/money). Some of them might not even have the skills to do
>> a conversion or electricity in general doesn't appeal to them or like
>> many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most of electricity's
>> various nuances. Another could be they just don't desire to own or be
>> involved with an EV for whatever reason. Car type people are somewhat
>> rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor heads/drag racers/hot
>> rodders)*.
>>
>> I personally like the challenge of getting both the desired
>> performance and range out of the EV package and also the lack of
>> emissions and maintenance. The price though. I need to make more
>> money. I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals, bearings, gear
>> swap, clutches in the traction-loc). During the setup of the ring and
>> pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few people will EVER do
>> that with a differential and how FEW people out of all of human
>> existence from beginning to end will EVER do that. It was a moment to
>> say the least.
>>
>> I bought a turbo for $500:
>>
>> http://www.miketurboinc.com/specials.htm
>>
>> Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need two if John has
>> success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor setup from Jim, and
>> 60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger from Rich.
>>
>> It all goes back too: The very same people who can't pony up the cash
>> for a conversion are the very same ones who can purchase a brand new
>> 2008 model car for ~$30,000. All because they can pay it off at
>> $200/300/400+ a month. Same goes for a $150-$200k+ house. And they
>> have both. But an EV conversion? Totally out of the budget.
>>
>> Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month? How about the motor for $100 a
>> month? Would definitely make EV conversions affordable. I definitely
>> have $200 each month...
>>
>> I hear you , I hear you. Put it all on some credit card or take out
>> some sort of loan to cover the conversion?
>>
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Joseph,

Can you provide more detail on this option? I wonder if ElectroAuto
implemented this option as a result of their drawn out delivery schedule
(I use the term schedule lightly). Everything about the VoltsRabbit kit
is appealing to me except for not being able to get delivery within a
predicted reasonable time.

tnx,
john

Joseph T. wrote:
>
> Electroauto has something called "Kits by Bits" where you can pay for
> their kits little by little.
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Zeke Yewdall <[email protected]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:23 am

Subject: Re: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs

>>Snip, Snip
.... it'd be sort of fun to make my electric one so its a bit
peppier than the stock 1.8 liter gas engine, and perhaps as fast as
their V8 conversions. In that group, that would get alot more respect
for EV's

Z

<<

Hey Zeke! Now your talking!

If we want our "hobby" or EV movement or EV promotion, or what ever it
is to you to be respected, it has to compete. Currently, EV's are
behind the power curve in public opinion. The "putter about" golf cart
opinion is what I always get when conversing my plans for my electric
Fiero. Unfortunately, the Fiero is currently on financial hold, but I
do have Tweety. And so I have learned, seeing is believing. When
telling people about Tweety, I still get the "putter about" attitude,
but, now I can demonstrate. A loud, screeching, smoking burnout, or
spanking a hot street car always drops jaws, but that is what it takes
to turn opinion around.

Every time a slow EV is seen, that negative "putter about" opinion is
supported. I feel we just can't afford that!

Your decision to up the performance... Now that's what I'm talking
about!

Ken

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