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Speaking of getting duped. 100 miles on a charge (on lead acid) and in production in 15 months (circa 1990 or so):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQHex6ox2ks

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News reporters are not rocket scientists, far from it. They've been
duped over and over by impossible claims.

Tilley EV got picked up by the news a few times, YouTube carries a Fox
News story on the Aquygen (HHO) guy who did a few real-world
hydrogen-oxygen welding tricks and then said he could run a car on
water. And let's not forget Steorn had a big ad in The Economist to buy
themselves some apparent legitimacy.




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I hate scams and hoaxes as much as the next guy but getting 100 miles of
range with lead-acid batteries strikes me as impressive, even amazing, but
not as "unbelievable". If the car is driven at around-town speeds (up to,
say, 45mph), has a high-efficiency drivetrain and low frontal area then the
energy requirement could easily be low enough for a lead-acid pack to be
practical (if not exactly ideal). Granted, you still need a lot of lead, but
not an impossibly large amount.

Can you drive at 55mph+ and get 100mi per charge? Probably not. We have a
vintage Beetle with a 120V/105Ah pack and get 25 miles of range with our
1000A controller - if we didn't drive at 70-80mph, crack transaxles and
smoke clutches all the time we could easily get twice that range (indeed,
when the VW had a "500A" Kelly installed it routinely went 40 miles on a
charge, so the Kelly's are good for /something/).



mos6507-2 wrote:
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> Speaking of getting duped. 100 miles on a charge (on lead acid) and in
> production in 15 months (circa 1990 or so):
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQHex6ox2ks
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Jeffrey Jenkins wrote:
> I hate scams and hoaxes as much as the next guy, but getting 100 miles of
> range with lead-acid batteries strikes me as impressive, even amazing, but
> not as "unbelievable".
I agree. There have been quite a few EVs with lead-acid batteries that
have topped 100 mile range. Bob McKee's Sundancer cars, the GM EV1, the
Solectria Sunrise, Dick Finley's Red Beastie pickup, and a number of
entries in the Tour del Sol have done it.

I expect that our Sunrise EV2 will be able to do it as well. We're
getting pretty close to driving our test mule, so soon we'll know!

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I have good knowledge of the EXAR-1 and the some of the behind-the-scenes negotiation that occured.

The car was a Frua built body, requested as one of six coachbuilders as a design for the BMW M-1. The Frua design was not chosen, but Ramirez purchased the body and converted it to electric.

I was fortunate enough to sit in the prototype as it sat in the lobby of Amectran on a rotating platform. Amectran had two mules that were not at all pretty that they claimed to do some testing on.

An extremely close friend of mine was close associate of Ramirez, but left Amectran early. The car still exists, and is currently being restored.

Demonstrations and tests showed good handling and function, but the range claims were always beyond belief. If anyone wants more information, contact me at rcc (at) pioneerconversions.com

Rich Carroll




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EXR wrote:
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> While we all hate scams, it would be better if you used facts rather than
> opinion to make accuseatory statements...

Lee Hart and I both said that getting 100 miles with lead would be
impressive but certainly not impossible so I'm a little confused as you why
you would write such a response... Perhaps your legal problems have been the
result of persistent misunderstanding and a penchant for rubbing people the
wrong way?


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The t-zero #2 is lead/acid and can get 100 miles on a charge. It requires
special driving skills to get the full 100, but it can be done.

- Will
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> While we all hate scams, it would be better if you used facts rather =

> than opinion to make accuseatory statements...

Lee Hart and I both said that getting 100 miles with lead would be
impressive but certainly not impossible so I'm a little confused as you why
you would write such a response... Perhaps your legal problems have been the
result of persistent misunderstanding and a penchant for rubbing people the
wrong way?


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