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I have an engineer in my network that does iPhone apps. Between the two of
us we could easily do the hardware for the wi-fi connection. He has even
said he could do the app for you to call your car and ask what it is doing
but I personally don't want to buy my car a phone.



I am open to discuss what the app should show for info and him and I will
discuss it to get an idea of what hardware and software would cost to get
done. Cheaper than off the shelf, for sure.











Sincerely,

Mark Grasser

Balyntec Products, LLC.

13 Bayberry Drive

Eliot M.E. 03903

Phone: 207-438-0401

Cell: 207-752-6618

Designed in the USA

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My main objective is to be able to use my iPhone to interface with my Hairball.

Having something like the Zillaview and or the EVision configuration would be a bonus, but that would require John and Victors involvement.



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"Mark Grasser" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have an engineer in my network that does iPhone apps. Between the two of
> us we could easily do the hardware for the wi-fi connection. He has even
> said he could do the app for you to call your car and ask what it is doing
> but I personally don't want to buy my car a phone.
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> I am open to discuss what the app should show for info and him and I will
> discuss it to get an idea of what hardware and software would cost to get
> done. Cheaper than off the shelf, for sure.
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John,
I see this as an RS232 connection transmitting and receiving ASCII In a DOS
window. Am I correct? How many lines need to be displayed by how many
characters wide?

Sincerely,
Mark Grasser


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My main objective is to be able to use my iPhone to interface with my
Hairball.

Having something like the Zillaview and or the EVision configuration would
be a bonus, but that would require John and Victors involvement.



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"Mark Grasser" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have an engineer in my network that does iPhone apps. Between the two of
> us we could easily do the hardware for the wi-fi connection. He has even
> said he could do the app for you to call your car and ask what it is doing
> but I personally don't want to buy my car a phone.
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> I am open to discuss what the app should show for info and him and I will
> discuss it to get an idea of what hardware and software would cost to get
> done. Cheaper than off the shelf, for sure.
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> Balyntec Products, LLC.
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> Phone: 207-438-0401
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> Cell: 207-752-6618
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I would be interested in an iphone app to talk to the Zilla controller as
well. The interface is described in the Zilla/Hairball manual which can be
downloaded from:

http://www.cafeelectric.com/Sdownloads.php
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Hi Mark,
Let me know if you start up this project -- I would like to help out.

I'm a software engineer, and I did some of the iPhone's UIKit framework stuff at Apple. So, I definitely know how to do things on the software side.

I'm interested in interfacing iOS with my Netgain Controller (via Can Bus), somehow. I need help figuring out how to read data on the iPhone (via Wifi).

corbin


Mark Grasser wrote:

> I have an engineer in my network that does iPhone apps. Between the two of
> us we could easily do the hardware for the wi-fi connection. He has even
> said he could do the app for you to call your car and ask what it is doing
> but I personally don't want to buy my car a phone.
>
>
>
> I am open to discuss what the app should show for info and him and I will
> discuss it to get an idea of what hardware and software would cost to get
> done. Cheaper than off the shelf, for sure.
>
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> Sincerely,
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> Mark Grasser
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> Balyntec Products, LLC.
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> 13 Bayberry Drive
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> Eliot M.E. 03903
>
> Phone: 207-438-0401
>
> Cell: 207-752-6618
>
> Designed in the USA
>
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> Sold in the USA
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I am open to discuss what the app should show for info and him and I will
discuss it to get an idea of what hardware and software would cost to get
done. Cheaper than off the shelf, for sure.

- ideally something very generic and customizable. It would prompt the user for data stream format and what data is to be displayed, stored or sent and at what rates. Of course there would be defaults for Zilla, Netgain, etc. Then you could assign bar graphs or gauges to the data and arrange them (similar to "Wonderware" for Windows), and program data to be sent. This may have a lot of applications way beyond this list. iPhones are increasingly being used as data gatherers - the "citizen scientist" concept seems to be growing and who knows what else.

Gary Krysztopik
ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
San Antonio, TX

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I made an iPhone app to talk to my golf cart. It was part of my schools ev project so They payed apples developer license but it was fairly easy to do and about $100 total investment

custom pic code and a wifi link was all that was needed for hardware

I used publicly available source from a current app store product so I know it would pass their requirements

I posted a short vid on YouTube of the app in development here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788Pq6Tq53k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

it shows Amps, state of charge, and motor rpm

Development stalled in favor of a flash app. flash lets us do so much more

i have a dozen different curtis controllers but I don't have a zilla so I can't help you there

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DA Hollen <[email protected]> wrote:

> I would be interested in an iphone app to talk to the Zilla controller as
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Jack Murray <[email protected]>wrote:

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> <Editorial>
> I don't understand why anyone would use a Phone of any kind to talk with
> their car. Why not use a laptop, a brand new small netbook is $300.
> After shelling out big bucks for that fancy phone and paying outrageous
> monthly fees, there is nothing left?
> </Editorial>
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A phone is a device that you tend to always have with you. A phone can
connect to the car hardware while it's in your pocket. (You will get very
odd looks if you put a netbook in your pants) One (presumably) already has
the phone. Bragging rights. It takes the same basic bluetooth or wifi
hardware to work with either your phone or a netbook.

I understand that it seems odd to use a phone if you are of the impression
that the program will be used infrequently. Then a laptop might be better.
But if you are going to use this capability all of the time then why not use
something you will have with you all of the time?
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Yeah, I think the always having it with you is the difference... if you had
to buy an Iphone just for that... yeah, the netbook is cheaper. But, I
already have an Iphone (as do alot of people who I never thought would get
them, or Blackberries or Androids, or whatever). 6 years ago when I finally
got a cell phone, about half the people I knew had a cell phone. Now, about
half the people I know have smartphones, and I only know a few people
without a cell phone at all. It's bizarre... but it's the way the world
seems to be going :)

Z

Collin Kidder <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Jack Murray <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > <Editorial>
> > I don't understand why anyone would use a Phone of any kind to talk with
> > their car. Why not use a laptop, a brand new small netbook is $300.
> > After shelling out big bucks for that fancy phone and paying outrageous
> > monthly fees, there is nothing left?
> > </Editorial>
> >
> >
> >
> A phone is a device that you tend to always have with you. A phone can
> connect to the car hardware while it's in your pocket. (You will get very
> odd looks if you put a netbook in your pants) One (presumably) already has
> the phone. Bragging rights. It takes the same basic bluetooth or wifi
> hardware to work with either your phone or a netbook.
>
> I understand that it seems odd to use a phone if you are of the impression
> that the program will be used infrequently. Then a laptop might be better.
> But if you are going to use this capability all of the time then why not
> use
> something you will have with you all of the time?
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In response to the editorial questioning why you would ever use a smart
phone to talk to a car... while at the same time not disputing the cost
and/or monthly fees (there are cheaper ways of going about things)...
here's some rationale:

Potentially using that 'fancy phone' that you already have to do more
things with a better user interface (touch screen) while driving and
have a smaller needed space :

Map integration to track routes/performance -- Google Maps often does
a better job than Tom-Tom/Garmin
Automatically log route/performance data to an online database (via
wi-fi or cellular)
Cell phones are *typically* more reliable than netbooks as far as
durability/crashing/hibernating/etc.
Cell phones don't usually have hard drives, which do not like
roadshock/vibration

Most $300 netbooks (that I'm aware of) do not have GPS sat receivers --
the Dell mini10 base model ($299) doesn't include Bluetooth.

If you buy an android device, then it is possible to get it cheaper than
$300, without requirement of a data (cellular) plan. You can code it up
on a droid cell phone and then "scale it up" to run on a 7" android
tablet that could become your main or auxillary dashboard. You also
have the opportunity with cell phones to purchase refurb'd or "last
year's" model for cheap.

For temporary onboard diagnostics, sure a netbook would work. But for
the next-gen "off-the-shelf" dashboard, I think the android device is
gonna be huge.

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Yes, the TCP bit is all obvious...but everyone keeps leaving out a piece of the puzzle. How do you report that data from the source?

I'm thinking a Can BUS to Wifi adapter will work for the Netgain controller....but how does it report the data over wifi? These are the things that I haven't researched and don't know the answers to. Part of that is my fault..eventually I'll get to this stage (right now, I'm just getting my car running).

Why an iPhone? Well, it doesn't have to be an iPhone -- it could be an iPod Touch. Or, in my case an iPad. In my opinion, a $500 iPad is a better display than a $300 netbook.

corbin

Jack Murray wrote:

> WiFi is the essentially TCP/IP, having two devices talk over wifi is the same as any network application. Connect to the device, and you can send TCP/IP packets back and forth at some port. I've never done any software for an iAppleHugeMarkups, but I'd assume its like every other TCP/IP implementation I've ever seen.
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> <Editorial>
> I don't understand why anyone would use a Phone of any kind to talk with their car. Why not use a laptop, a brand new small netbook is $300.
> After shelling out big bucks for that fancy phone and paying outrageous monthly fees, there is nothing left?
> </Editorial>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/9/11, corbin dunn <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> From: corbin dunn <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] iPhone app
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:18 AM
>> Hi Mark,
>> Let me know if you start up this project -- I would like to
>> help out.
>>
>> I'm a software engineer, and I did some of the iPhone's
>> UIKit framework stuff at Apple. So, I definitely know how to
>> do things on the software side.
>>
>> I'm interested in interfacing iOS with my Netgain
>> Controller (via Can Bus), somehow. I need help figuring out
>> how to read data on the iPhone (via Wifi).
>>
>> corbin
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Mark Grasser wrote:
>>
>>> I have an engineer in my network that does iPhone
>> apps. Between the two of
>>> us we could easily do the hardware for the wi-fi
>> connection. He has even
>>> said he could do the app for you to call your car and
>> ask what it is doing
>>> but I personally don't want to buy my car a phone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am open to discuss what the app should show for info
>> and him and I will
>>> discuss it to get an idea of what hardware and
>> software would cost to get
>>> done. Cheaper than off the shelf, for sure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Mark Grasser
>>>
>>> Balyntec Products, LLC.
>>>
>>> 13 Bayberry Drive
>>>
>>> Eliot M.E. 03903
>>>
>>> Phone: 207-438-0401
>>>
>>> Cell: 207-752-6618
>>>
>>> Designed in the USA
>>>
>>>
>> Made in the USA
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>>>
>> Sold in the
>> USA
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Jack -- iOS doesn't mean just an iPhone. Here's a $500 display that will probably be way cooler than anything else out there, and an example of how I have it setup:

http://www.corbinstreehouse.com/blog/2010/11/plug-bug-ipad-mount/

If you splurge and buy the 3G version, you can then have an in car GPS for much cheaper than any other car GPS out there. The other great part of it, you can easily pop the "display" in and out, and use it at other times.

So, adding in a nice UI for displaying amps and SOC would be totally sweet.

--corbin


Jack Murray wrote:

> You don't intend anyone else but you and your phone to drive your car?
> Why would you not have a dedicated device to display info on your running vehicle in the car?
> Now if you just want to say "hey look at me, I can see ampd draw of my car on my phone!" then fine, this is cool about 3 times, then you look like a dork. IMO :)
>
> --- On Mon, 1/10/11, Zeke Yewdall <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> From: Zeke Yewdall <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] iPhone app
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:24 AM
>> Yeah, I think the always having it
>> with you is the difference... if you had
>> to buy an Iphone just for that... yeah, the netbook is
>> cheaper. But, I
>> already have an Iphone (as do alot of people who I never
>> thought would get
>> them, or Blackberries or Androids, or whatever). 6
>> years ago when I finally
>> got a cell phone, about half the people I knew had a cell
>> phone. Now, about
>> half the people I know have smartphones, and I only know a
>> few people
>> without a cell phone at all. It's bizarre... but it's
>> the way the world
>> seems to be going :)
>>
>> Z
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Collin Kidder <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Jack Murray <[email protected]
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <Editorial>
>>>> I don't understand why anyone would use a Phone
>> of any kind to talk with
>>>> their car. Why not use a laptop, a brand
>> new small netbook is $300.
>>>> After shelling out big bucks for that fancy phone
>> and paying outrageous
>>>> monthly fees, there is nothing left?
>>>> </Editorial>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> A phone is a device that you tend to always have with
>> you. A phone can
>>> connect to the car hardware while it's in your pocket.
>> (You will get very
>>> odd looks if you put a netbook in your pants) One
>> (presumably) already has
>>> the phone. Bragging rights. It takes the same basic
>> bluetooth or wifi
>>> hardware to work with either your phone or a netbook.
>>>
>>> I understand that it seems odd to use a phone if you
>> are of the impression
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Korn - I'm interested in app; do you have the source available? What type of wifi adapter did you use to report the data?

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Korn wrote:

> I made an iPhone app to talk to my golf cart. It was part of my schools ev project so They payed apples developer license but it was fairly easy to do and about $100 total investment
>
> custom pic code and a wifi link was all that was needed for hardware
>
> I used publicly available source from a current app store product so I know it would pass their requirements
>
> I posted a short vid on YouTube of the app in development here
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788Pq6Tq53k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>
> it shows Amps, state of charge, and motor rpm
>
> Development stalled in favor of a flash app. flash lets us do so much more
>
> i have a dozen different curtis controllers but I don't have a zilla so I can't help you there
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 8, 2011, at 10:51 PM, DA Hollen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I would be interested in an iphone app to talk to the Zilla controller as
>> well. The interface is described in the Zilla/Hairball manual which can be
>> downloaded from:
>>
>> http://www.cafeelectric.com/Sdownloads.php
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i use pic micros almost exclusively. for this i used an 18f452 and their
companion enc28j60 ethernet controller.

i got the rj45 jacks with magnetics from all electronics corp and a $20
linksys WGA54g wireless game adapter from ebay to get it on the car
wifi.

i use the asus mt10 netbook with touchscreen as the main display

ive really abandoned the iphone app since i cant recommend the ios
devices because of price and the lack of adobe flash support.

i do have an ipad, ipod touch and iphone4 but they were supplied by my
employer for app devel at work.

in 2 days we had a working app based on rev's code available on their
website, it seemed easy enough but the headache with certificates and
putting the devices into development mode to be able to use the app
store was annoying..

we are doing active work on a linux based display and may include
iphone/ipad support by wifi in that.




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sorry, that was innovates site we got the code from not rev

I put the innovate hardware in my Benz and am working on a maylong compatible android app for it

I modified the innovate app for MY Benz and never plan to release the changes

you wouldn't want them anyway

I used appcellerator for the custom android app. it is a Linux,windows and Mac development app for web, iOS and android devices

if you try appcellerator try the kitchen sink app it shows off most of the ui

there was some discussion as to wether or not apples new rules excluded appcellerator created apps from the AppStore

something about third party API calls


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pratt2 <[email protected]> wrote:

> i use pic micros almost exclusively. for this i used an 18f452 and their
> companion enc28j60 ethernet controller.
>
> i got the rj45 jacks with magnetics from all electronics corp and a $20
> linksys WGA54g wireless game adapter from ebay to get it on the car
> wifi.
>
> i use the asus mt10 netbook with touchscreen as the main display
>
> ive really abandoned the iphone app since i cant recommend the ios
> devices because of price and the lack of adobe flash support.
>
> i do have an ipad, ipod touch and iphone4 but they were supplied by my
> employer for app devel at work.
>
> in 2 days we had a working app based on rev's code available on their
> website, it seemed easy enough but the headache with certificates and
> putting the devices into development mode to be able to use the app
> store was annoying..
>
> we are doing active work on a linux based display and may include
> iphone/ipad support by wifi in that.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:25 -0800, corbin dunn wrote:
>> Korn - I'm interested in app; do you have the source available? What type of wifi adapter did you use to report the data?
>>
>> corbin
>
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i updated the video with an audio track where i list the sources for
code and parts since this was part of an an open source school project i
have nothing to hide and no profits to protect....

http://youtu.be/NxHIV1Qftdc?hd=1

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxHIV1Qftdc&hd=1


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Cool, thanks!

I had to do some digging to figure out what this was, but it wasn't too hard. It looks like Korn is using some hardware adapter from Innovate Hardware -- I found their website:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/

Specifically, I think he used the OT-2 adapter:

http://www.ot-2.com/

It uses OBD-II; for my application, I have a CAN Bus to the Netgain Controller; I think I can make an adapter from ODB-II to CanBUS.

Innovate has an SDK for their product, available at the bottom of the page here:
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support.php

If you download the SDK, there is a sample folder "OT-Mobile" that has an iPhone app. Awesome...this is exactly the information I wanted to know! It will push me in the right direction.

corbin


Korn wrote:

> sorry, that was innovates site we got the code from not rev
>
> I put the innovate hardware in my Benz and am working on a maylong compatible android app for it
>
> I modified the innovate app for MY Benz and never plan to release the changes
>
> you wouldn't want them anyway
>
> I used appcellerator for the custom android app. it is a Linux,windows and Mac development app for web, iOS and android devices
>
> if you try appcellerator try the kitchen sink app it shows off most of the ui
>
> there was some discussion as to wether or not apples new rules excluded appcellerator created apps from the AppStore
>
> something about third party API calls
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:23 PM, pratt2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> i use pic micros almost exclusively. for this i used an 18f452 and their
>> companion enc28j60 ethernet controller.
>>
>> i got the rj45 jacks with magnetics from all electronics corp and a $20
>> linksys WGA54g wireless game adapter from ebay to get it on the car
>> wifi.
>>
>> i use the asus mt10 netbook with touchscreen as the main display
>>
>> ive really abandoned the iphone app since i cant recommend the ios
>> devices because of price and the lack of adobe flash support.
>>
>> i do have an ipad, ipod touch and iphone4 but they were supplied by my
>> employer for app devel at work.
>>
>> in 2 days we had a working app based on rev's code available on their
>> website, it seemed easy enough but the headache with certificates and
>> putting the devices into development mode to be able to use the app
>> store was annoying..
>>
>> we are doing active work on a linux based display and may include
>> iphone/ipad support by wifi in that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:25 -0800, corbin dunn wrote:
>>> Korn - I'm interested in app; do you have the source available? What type of wifi adapter did you use to report the data?
>>>
>>> corbin
>>
>>
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