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I have to ask this question because of the excitement I had writing my last
post and then being scolded by Jack (his scolding for another reason but
just the same). I have always though it interesting that you cannot promote
a product or source of products on this list. I have been on other "car"
lists and products were always discussed and then a supplier could/would
jump in to say "I have that" or "I don't have that but have this and it is
better" Thus another car would be back on the road.



HERE, someone might join the list and it would take months to find what they
what instead of days.



Why not at least a link at the bottom of every email that would take you to
a page of hardware/software providers of EF parts? You could even charge
dues for people to be on that page and use that money to promote events and
special projects, nonprofit of course.



To prove my point how many know Jack was designing a hairball wi-fi?





Just a thought!













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Hi Mark,

I guess you mean his frustrated blurb:
> I'm building a WiFi device, please feel free to solicit
> business on the EV list in competition of what I create.

My suggestion is that you leave that comment for what it is,
a release of some of his apparent frustration, I do not think
it is actually aimed at you, just more at the fact that you
happened to be the person launching a question that is
actually close to what he is doing, before he got the
opportunity to solicit it.
I am sure that David (or the list rules themselves) can give
a very precise answer, but the list etiquette usually is that
if a question is asked or a particular subject is brought up,
a maker of equipment that is solving that question or
performing the function that is the subject, can respond by
saying that they make this and describe the technical details
or specs and functions of their product.
So - soliciting is frowned upon even though I have seen tag
lines doing exactly that - but *supporting* your product is
a valuable service and displaying an EV product that is
already discussed is also a valuable contribution.

In addition, discussing the specs of a device that you want
to develop, either open source or for your own benefit, is
likely also received well, because the whole point of this
list is to advance the cause of EVs. I think the Zilla
controller was more or less developed in the spotlight of
the EVDL, to give one example.
I think another one is the PFC charger spec.

Regards,

Cor van de Water
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mark Grasser
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:12 AM
To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: [EVDL] Is the EV list actually a hindrance to the promotion of
EVs?





I have to ask this question because of the excitement I had writing my
last post and then being scolded by Jack (his scolding for another
reason but just the same). I have always though it interesting that you
cannot promote a product or source of products on this list. I have been
on other "car"
lists and products were always discussed and then a supplier could/would
jump in to say "I have that" or "I don't have that but have this and it
is better" Thus another car would be back on the road.



HERE, someone might join the list and it would take months to find what
they what instead of days.



Why not at least a link at the bottom of every email that would take you
to a page of hardware/software providers of EF parts? You could even
charge dues for people to be on that page and use that money to promote
events and special projects, nonprofit of course.



To prove my point how many know Jack was designing a hairball wi-fi?





Just a thought!













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If you have been keeping up with Jack you'd know he has been working on this.
Don't let competition stand in your way.

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The EVDL conventions concerning participation by vendors and other
commercial entities are published online. Anyone can read them.

http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#conv

Note section 3, titled "Announce, don't advertise."

Basically, you most certainly MAY mention EV products that you make and/or
sell, when somebody is looking for such a thing. All we ask is that you
don't beat it to death, and that you be totally factual, not promotional.
In other words, don't word it like an ad and post it week after week.

If someone here says, for example, "I need a BMS that can handle both lead
and lithium batteries," and your company makes one, by all means pop up your
hand and say "check ours out." Just do so in a sober, informative way that
doesn't read like an ad.

When it comes to the wording, think of the sponsor announcements on public
TV and radio, and you'll get it. For example, don't say something like "we
make the world's best BMS," or "That's an exclusive feature of the Acme
BMS." Just say "We have a BMS that might do what you want. See our website
at www.combobms.com for more information, or email me offlist."

It's true that we discourage announcements of products when nobody has asked
for them ("unprompted mentions"). However, if this is done judiciously and
thoughtfully, and it's a product or service that's of fairly wide interest,
I doubt that anybody is going to fuss at you.

This bending of the list conventions is admittedly subjective. How we react
depends on stuff like how your announcement is worded, how universal the
interest seems to be, how long you've been on the EVDL, and how much you
participate - that sort of thing.

Say you're a longtime member and you regularly help newbies. You may even
be one of the saintly sort who can answer generator-on-a-wheel questions
without getting sarcastic. ;-) You propose some kind of EV product and
seek list members' feedback on what it should do. Because of your history
and the approach, you're apt to get a fair bit of wiggle room. The PFC
chargers and Zilla controllers were designed with EVDL input, for example.

OTOH, if you sign up just to promote your EV product, hit us with an ad,
then vanish until you want to advertise again, we're likely to be a lot less
receptive and supportive.

If I think you've crossed the line, you'll probably hear from me offlist. I
try to be fair and even-handed, but I suppose sometimes I don't succeed.
I'm usually willing to listen to an appeal, though.

I hope this clarifies the list's position.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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