[EVDL] Kit Car EV Chassis

EVDL List · Nov 5, 2010

Its my impression that many kit cars are based on a doner chassis from
a production car. IIRC the VW Beetle chassis was a popular one. I'm
wondering if it would be a possible business opportunity to design a
lightweight EV chassis that is dimensionally identical to say the VW
Beelte (for example). People could buy the fully assembled chassis
and mount any one of many kit bodies on top that chassis.

Does that sound like a good idea?

Are there any other popular chassis other than the VW?

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EVDL List · Nov 5, 2010

Hello Roger,

The building of a car chassis will depend if its needs to be certified and
inspected in some states and what it is going to be use for. One of my
cars which was a 73 CAM AM Corvette had a chrome molly space frame which has
round upper tubes and a 2 inch square tube bottom with a lot of modified
panels that weigh about 1800 lbs instead of 3300 lbs.

The chrome molly tubes are very thin wall. A Cessna type aircraft frame
only weighs about 115 lbs using this type of alloy.

In 73, it cost about $2000.00 to build a space frame by a company in
California. I have a welder friend of mine, that is a certified aircraft
welder and also builds NASCAR space frames. Bonneville stream liners frames
and body's, and Funny Car frames and body's which has to be certified and
label tested.

The welding must be perfect and smooth like a robot does it. You are not
allow to grind and smooth rough weld beads or it will not pass inspection.
The guys that build custom cars for them self and use for street only, will
normally dress up the weld joints and smooth them to make them look nicer.

A tube space frame with a carbon fiber body is very lite. There is a 1977
El Camino that only weighs 1800 lbs with a 800 hp engine using this type of
material.

Roland

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Subject: [EVDL] Kit Car EV Chassis

> Its my impression that many kit cars are based on a doner chassis from
> a production car. IIRC the VW Beetle chassis was a popular one. I'm
> wondering if it would be a possible business opportunity to design a
> lightweight EV chassis that is dimensionally identical to say the VW
> Beelte (for example). People could buy the fully assembled chassis
> and mount any one of many kit bodies on top that chassis.
>
> Does that sound like a good idea?
>
> Are there any other popular chassis other than the VW?
>
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EVDL List · Nov 5, 2010

I believe that one builder has done just that. The chassis for the
ECOS FUN is an all aluminum version of the VW using recycled or after
market suspension for front and rear'
Check ouy ecos.com.

Doc Kennedy

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Roger Heuckeroth <[email protected]> w=
rote:
> Its my impression that many kit cars are based on a doner chassis from
> a production car. IIRC the VW Beetle chassis was a popular one. I'm
> wondering if it would be a possible business opportunity to design a
> lightweight EV chassis that is dimensionally identical to say the VW
> Beelte (for example). People could buy the fully assembled chassis
> and mount any one of many kit bodies on top that chassis.
>
> Does that sound like a good idea?
>
> Are there any other popular chassis other than the VW?
>
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EVDL List · Nov 5, 2010

Sorry thats ecosmotors.com

Doc Kennedy

Doc Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I believe that one builder has done just that. The chassis for the
> ECOS FUN is an all aluminum version of the VW using recycled or after
> market suspension for front and rear'
> Check ouy ecos.com.
>
> Doc Kennedy
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Roger Heuckeroth <[email protected]>=
wrote:
>> Its my impression that many kit cars are based on a doner chassis from
>> a production car. IIRC the VW Beetle chassis was a popular one. I'm
>> wondering if it would be a possible business opportunity to design a
>> lightweight EV chassis that is dimensionally identical to say the VW
>> Beelte (for example). People could buy the fully assembled chassis
>> and mount any one of many kit bodies on top that chassis.
>>
>> Does that sound like a good idea?
>>
>> Are there any other popular chassis other than the VW?
>>
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EVDL List · Nov 5, 2010

I just checked it out. Its actually ecosmotors.com. It does not look
like they sell just the chassis, but yes that is the idea.

Doc Kennedy wrote:

> I believe that one builder has done just that. The chassis for the
> ECOS FUN is an all aluminum version of the VW using recycled or after
> market suspension for front and rear'
> Check ouy ecos.com.
>
> Doc Kennedy
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Roger Heuckeroth <[email protected]
> > wrote:
>> Its my impression that many kit cars are based on a doner chassis
>> from
>> a production car. IIRC the VW Beetle chassis was a popular one. I'm
>> wondering if it would be a possible business opportunity to design a
>> lightweight EV chassis that is dimensionally identical to say the VW
>> Beelte (for example). People could buy the fully assembled chassis
>> and mount any one of many kit bodies on top that chassis.
>>
>> Does that sound like a good idea?
>>
>> Are there any other popular chassis other than the VW?
>>
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Roger Heuckeroth
Advanced Carbon Systems
304 Blue Mountain Road
Saugerties, NY 12477
www.advancedcarbonsystems.com
Phone: 845-247-9089
Toll Free: 866-834-5674
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EVDL List · Nov 5, 2010

The VW is a perfect platform, IMHO. Lots of drivetrain/chassis options,
original and aftermarket. Lot of parts for everything else as well.

Roger Heuckeroth wrote:
> Its my impression that many kit cars are based on a doner chassis from
> a production car. IIRC the VW Beetle chassis was a popular one. I'm
> wondering if it would be a possible business opportunity to design a
> lightweight EV chassis that is dimensionally identical to say the VW
> Beelte (for example). People could buy the fully assembled chassis
> and mount any one of many kit bodies on top that chassis.
>
> Does that sound like a good idea?
>
> Are there any other popular chassis other than the VW?
>
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EVDL List · Nov 5, 2010

I'm pretty sure that you can modify an existing vehicle. When you produce a
new one, it will need to pass current safety standards, crash worthiness,
etc. before it can be registered.
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EVDL List · Nov 6, 2010

Not entirely true. If you are a manufacturer of cars you need to do crash
testing etc. Back when I cared about such things it was anything over 500 of
any one model. I don't know what it is today. I do know that here in Maine
if you build a car you need to take it to Augusta to have it driven and
inspected for basic safety of the suspension, brakes etc and then you get a
state VIN number. Actually pretty simple.

Sincerely,
Mark Grasser

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I'm pretty sure that you can modify an existing vehicle. When you produce a
new one, it will need to pass current safety standards, crash worthiness,
etc. before it can be registered.
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EVDL List · Nov 6, 2010

Actually it is an excellent platform but finding room on the Bug/Ghia is
tough to do. The chassis is strong and light weight and usually can handle
more weight than the normal vehicle but with lead I'd say the platform is
not the ultimate, just good. However if your building a Bus (Truck) you have
lots of options for placing batteries under the cargo floor and securing
them if you go with lithium and lay them on their sides. Looks like you
might get two high and two wide per section and you have at least 6 usable
sections. All under and out of the way. Make some access panels for
replacement and your good to go with low center of gravity like the pickup
trucks and all the batterie are out of the way and since the payload of the
Panel or Truck Bus is 2300 lbs you can pretty much utilize the entire the
cargo area for hauling stuff too. Up grade that suspension and you can go
even higher. The VW Bus is an excellent choice of utility platform and has a
cool factor too. I do however like nicely done regular Pickups. You can also
find a good glider for a very reasonable price which is way better than the
VW Bus. So in that sense yes the truck is an excellent choice. I still think
lithium is the better way to go for the sake of room and power and weight
constraints many small vehicles have. Trucks can be customized nicely too
and made very comfortable and you can haul stuff if needed.

OK the truck is an excellent choice.

Pete

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EVDL List · Nov 10, 2010

Roger and All,
I'm behind on the list, so not sure if this was mentionsed, but I
remember a kit car company advertising in the EAA Current Events. Here
it is:
http://www.sterlingsportscars.com/Electric_Sterling.html
Suck Amps,
BB

> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:01:50 -0400
> From: Roger Heuckeroth
>
> Its my impression that many kit cars are based on a doner chassis from
> a production car. IIRC the VW Beetle chassis was a popular one. I'm
> wondering if it would be a possible business opportunity to design a
> lightweight EV chassis that is dimensionally identical to say the VW
> Beelte (for example). People could buy the fully assembled chassis
> and mount any one of many kit bodies on top that chassis.
>
> Does that sound like a good idea?
>
> Are there any other popular chassis other than the VW?

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