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Bolivia a willing lithium partner if EVs are produced locally

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20110225p2g00m0bu037000c.html
[image] Bolivia's President Evo Morales, left, shakes hands with
Japan's Vice Minister of Economy Trade and Industry, Kaname Tajima,
during the inauguration of an international seminar on lithium in La
Paz, Bolivia, Thursday Feb. 24, 2011. (AP Photo/Juan Karita)

TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Bolivian President Evo Morales expressed willingness
Thursday to select Japan as a lithium development partner if Japanese
car manufacturers such as Toyota Motor Corp. produce electric vehicles
in the lithium-rich Latin American country, officials at the Japanese
Embassy in Bolivia said.

The president's remarks came at an economic development seminar
attended by Kaname Tajima, Japan's vice minister of economy, trade and
industry, and officials of Japanese firms. Lithium is a key resource
in producing electric vehicle batteries.

South Korea and some other nations have shown interest in joining
lithium development projects in Bolivia, which possesses about half of
the world's lithium reserves, as demand for lithium ion batteries is
expected to surge.

Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Morales met in Tokyo in December
last year and agreed to cooperate on commercial production of lithium
in Bolivia. (Mainichi Japan) Feb 25 2011
[Copyright 2010 THE MAINICHI NEWSPAPERS. All rights reserved.]




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Wow! That's smart on Bolivia's part. That could transform their
poor country into a "Saudi Arabia" of the future. Unfortunately, the
profits will probably by hoarded by a few rich men and the population
will remain poor. Greed knows no bounds or shame.

brucedp wrote:

>
> Bolivia a willing lithium partner if EVs are produced locally
>
> http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20110225p2g00m0bu037000c.html
> [image] Bolivia's President Evo Morales, left, shakes hands with
> Japan's Vice Minister of Economy Trade and Industry, Kaname Tajima,
> during the inauguration of an international seminar on lithium in La
> Paz, Bolivia, Thursday Feb. 24, 2011. (AP Photo/Juan Karita)
>
> TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Bolivian President Evo Morales expressed willingness
> Thursday to select Japan as a lithium development partner if Japanese
> car manufacturers such as Toyota Motor Corp. produce electric vehicles
> in the lithium-rich Latin American country, officials at the Japanese
> Embassy in Bolivia said.
>
> The president's remarks came at an economic development seminar
> attended by Kaname Tajima, Japan's vice minister of economy, trade and
> industry, and officials of Japanese firms. Lithium is a key resource
> in producing electric vehicle batteries.
>
> South Korea and some other nations have shown interest in joining
> lithium development projects in Bolivia, which possesses about half of
> the world's lithium reserves, as demand for lithium ion batteries is
> expected to surge.
>
> Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Morales met in Tokyo in December
> last year and agreed to cooperate on commercial production of lithium
> in Bolivia. (Mainichi Japan) Feb 25 2011
> [Copyright 2010 THE MAINICHI NEWSPAPERS. All rights reserved.]
>
>
>
>
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Yes, quite a smart move to ask that EVs are produced locally thus giving
their economy a boost. The country stands to make a great deal of money by
selling lithium as well.

As for the other part. I should hope that the profits will be enjoyed by a
few rich men. Is not the goal of having some wealth to be able to get
richer? That is, to be able to afford to invest in additional opportunities
and thus create more wealth? I don't mean to sound cold but it's rich people
who will invest the money to get lithium mines built. Rich men who will pay
for the refinement of the ore, etc. Who do you expect to profit from that?
Me? You? A Bolivian farmer? It's greed (the desire for more) that drives
business. Never kid yourself into thinking any differently. Very few people
go into business to do charity. They do it to make money. Of course, these
same business people running these supposed shameful profit centers will
also be presumably paying taxes and paying people to do work so I think the
economy will see plenty of benefit.

Roger Heuckeroth <[email protected]>wrote:

> Wow! That's smart on Bolivia's part. That could transform their
> poor country into a "Saudi Arabia" of the future. Unfortunately, the
> profits will probably by hoarded by a few rich men and the population
> will remain poor. Greed knows no bounds or shame.
>
> On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:18 AM, brucedp wrote:
>
> >
> > Bolivia a willing lithium partner if EVs are produced locally
> >
> >
> http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20110225p2g00m0bu037000c.html
> > [image] Bolivia's President Evo Morales, left, shakes hands with
> > Japan's Vice Minister of Economy Trade and Industry, Kaname Tajima,
> > during the inauguration of an international seminar on lithium in La
> > Paz, Bolivia, Thursday Feb. 24, 2011. (AP Photo/Juan Karita)
> >
> > TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Bolivian President Evo Morales expressed willingness
> > Thursday to select Japan as a lithium development partner if Japanese
> > car manufacturers such as Toyota Motor Corp. produce electric vehicles
> > in the lithium-rich Latin American country, officials at the Japanese
> > Embassy in Bolivia said.
> >
> > The president's remarks came at an economic development seminar
> > attended by Kaname Tajima, Japan's vice minister of economy, trade and
> > industry, and officials of Japanese firms. Lithium is a key resource
> > in producing electric vehicle batteries.
> >
> > South Korea and some other nations have shown interest in joining
> > lithium development projects in Bolivia, which possesses about half of
> > the world's lithium reserves, as demand for lithium ion batteries is
> > expected to surge.
> >
> > Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Morales met in Tokyo in December
> > last year and agreed to cooperate on commercial production of lithium
> > in Bolivia. (Mainichi Japan) Feb 25 2011
> > [Copyright 2010 THE MAINICHI NEWSPAPERS. All rights reserved.]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > {brucedp.150m.com}
> >
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> Roger Heuckeroth
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> 304 Blue Mountain Road
> Saugerties, NY 12477
> www.advancedcarbonsystems.com
> Phone: 845-247-9089
> Toll Free: 866-834-5674
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I think the current resentment of "The Wealthy" can be summed up in a few
words: "Lack of a fair wage" A lot of people would dispute that but my
evidence would be to look at how the middle class in America has disappeared
while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

I apologize as this is so far off topic but found it hard to stomach
Collin's comments.

Sincerely,
Mark Grasser


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Collin Kidder
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:48 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Let's Make a Bolivian-Lithium-EV Deal

Yes, quite a smart move to ask that EVs are produced locally thus giving
their economy a boost. The country stands to make a great deal of money by
selling lithium as well.

As for the other part. I should hope that the profits will be enjoyed by a
few rich men. Is not the goal of having some wealth to be able to get
richer? That is, to be able to afford to invest in additional opportunities
and thus create more wealth? I don't mean to sound cold but it's rich people
who will invest the money to get lithium mines built. Rich men who will pay
for the refinement of the ore, etc. Who do you expect to profit from that?
Me? You? A Bolivian farmer? It's greed (the desire for more) that drives
business. Never kid yourself into thinking any differently. Very few people
go into business to do charity. They do it to make money. Of course, these
same business people running these supposed shameful profit centers will
also be presumably paying taxes and paying people to do work so I think the
economy will see plenty of benefit.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Roger Heuckeroth
<[email protected]>wrote:

> Wow! That's smart on Bolivia's part. That could transform their
> poor country into a "Saudi Arabia" of the future. Unfortunately, the
> profits will probably by hoarded by a few rich men and the population
> will remain poor. Greed knows no bounds or shame.
>
>
brucedp wrote:
>
> >
> > Bolivia a willing lithium partner if EVs are produced locally
> >
> >
> http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20110225p2g00m0bu037000c.html
> > [image] Bolivia's President Evo Morales, left, shakes hands with
> > Japan's Vice Minister of Economy Trade and Industry, Kaname Tajima,
> > during the inauguration of an international seminar on lithium in La
> > Paz, Bolivia, Thursday Feb. 24, 2011. (AP Photo/Juan Karita)
> >
> > TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Bolivian President Evo Morales expressed willingness
> > Thursday to select Japan as a lithium development partner if Japanese
> > car manufacturers such as Toyota Motor Corp. produce electric vehicles
> > in the lithium-rich Latin American country, officials at the Japanese
> > Embassy in Bolivia said.
> >
> > The president's remarks came at an economic development seminar
> > attended by Kaname Tajima, Japan's vice minister of economy, trade and
> > industry, and officials of Japanese firms. Lithium is a key resource
> > in producing electric vehicle batteries.
> >
> > South Korea and some other nations have shown interest in joining
> > lithium development projects in Bolivia, which possesses about half of
> > the world's lithium reserves, as demand for lithium ion batteries is
> > expected to surge.
> >
> > Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Morales met in Tokyo in December
> > last year and agreed to cooperate on commercial production of lithium
> > in Bolivia. (Mainichi Japan) Feb 25 2011
> > [Copyright 2010 THE MAINICHI NEWSPAPERS. All rights reserved.]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/A-fool-thinks-B
ig-td3331550.html
> >
> > {brucedp.150m.com}
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
>
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livian-Lithium-EV-Deal-tp3333055p3333055.html
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> Roger Heuckeroth
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> Saugerties, NY 12477
> www.advancedcarbonsystems.com
> Phone: 845-247-9089
> Toll Free: 866-834-5674
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Yes, sorry. I made the topic more off topic. The lack of a fair wage thing
can be a real problem and is very bad. I hope that who ever builds mines in
Bolivia is not the sort of weasel that would do that to their workers.

Back to the topic. Sorry...

Mark Grasser <[email protected]>wrote:

> I think the current resentment of "The Wealthy" can be summed up in a few
> words: "Lack of a fair wage" A lot of people would dispute that but my
> evidence would be to look at how the middle class in America has
> disappeared
> while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
>
> I apologize as this is so far off topic but found it hard to stomach
> Collin's comments.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mark Grasser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> Of Collin Kidder
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:48 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Let's Make a Bolivian-Lithium-EV Deal
>
> Yes, quite a smart move to ask that EVs are produced locally thus giving
> their economy a boost. The country stands to make a great deal of money by
> selling lithium as well.
>
> As for the other part. I should hope that the profits will be enjoyed by a
> few rich men. Is not the goal of having some wealth to be able to get
> richer? That is, to be able to afford to invest in additional opportunities
> and thus create more wealth? I don't mean to sound cold but it's rich
> people
> who will invest the money to get lithium mines built. Rich men who will pay
> for the refinement of the ore, etc. Who do you expect to profit from that?
> Me? You? A Bolivian farmer? It's greed (the desire for more) that drives
> business. Never kid yourself into thinking any differently. Very few people
> go into business to do charity. They do it to make money. Of course, these
> same business people running these supposed shameful profit centers will
> also be presumably paying taxes and paying people to do work so I think the
> economy will see plenty of benefit.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Roger Heuckeroth
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Wow! That's smart on Bolivia's part. That could transform their
> > poor country into a "Saudi Arabia" of the future. Unfortunately, the
> > profits will probably by hoarded by a few rich men and the population
> > will remain poor. Greed knows no bounds or shame.
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:18 AM, brucedp wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Bolivia a willing lithium partner if EVs are produced locally
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20110225p2g00m0bu037000c.html
> > > [image] Bolivia's President Evo Morales, left, shakes hands with
> > > Japan's Vice Minister of Economy Trade and Industry, Kaname Tajima,
> > > during the inauguration of an international seminar on lithium in La
> > > Paz, Bolivia, Thursday Feb. 24, 2011. (AP Photo/Juan Karita)
> > >
> > > TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Bolivian President Evo Morales expressed willingness
> > > Thursday to select Japan as a lithium development partner if Japanese
> > > car manufacturers such as Toyota Motor Corp. produce electric vehicles
> > > in the lithium-rich Latin American country, officials at the Japanese
> > > Embassy in Bolivia said.
> > >
> > > The president's remarks came at an economic development seminar
> > > attended by Kaname Tajima, Japan's vice minister of economy, trade and
> > > industry, and officials of Japanese firms. Lithium is a key resource
> > > in producing electric vehicle batteries.
> > >
> > > South Korea and some other nations have shown interest in joining
> > > lithium development projects in Bolivia, which possesses about half of
> > > the world's lithium reserves, as demand for lithium ion batteries is
> > > expected to surge.
> > >
> > > Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Morales met in Tokyo in December
> > > last year and agreed to cooperate on commercial production of lithium
> > > in Bolivia. (Mainichi Japan) Feb 25 2011
> > > [Copyright 2010 THE MAINICHI NEWSPAPERS. All rights reserved.]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/A-fool-thinks-B
> ig-td3331550.html
> > >
> > > {brucedp.150m.com}
> > >
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> >
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Let-s-Make-a-Bo
> livian-Lithium-EV-Deal-tp3333055p3333055.html
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> > Phone: 845-247-9089
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