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Other that from embarrassment, there were no other injuries aside
from cuts and scrapes.

There was no intention for the bike to actually move. Looking at the
video it appeared that the spin pushed the front tire enough to let
the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment to release the front
brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get back on the front
brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to get it down to about 20 mph.

Please note, area in front of the bike and all possible
trajectories was cleared of people. Building on right side. Cement
barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the other side.

Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire and forks. Put a
big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard to fix.

On a positive note, this really proves just how safe the
A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't opened it up,
but it is almost certain there are some shorted cells in the pack.
Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a major fireworks
show, but not these.

I have to admit in hindsight, this was not a smart move. <:-|

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Bill, do you mind if I print this event on the
Electricmotorcycles.net site?

Lyle

--- Bill Dube wrote:

> Other that from embarrassment, there were no other
> injuries aside
> from cuts and scrapes.
>
> There was no intention for the bike to actually
> move. Looking at the
> video it appeared that the spin pushed the front
> tire enough to let
> the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment to
> release the front
> brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get back
> on the front
> brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to get
> it down to about 20 mph.
>
> Please note, area in front of the bike and
> all possible
> trajectories was cleared of people. Building on
> right side. Cement
> barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the other
> side.
>
> Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire
> and forks. Put a
> big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard to
> fix.
>
> On a positive note, this really proves just
> how safe the
> A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't
> opened it up,
> but it is almost certain there are some shorted
> cells in the pack.
> Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a
> major fireworks
> show, but not these.
>
> I have to admit in hindsight, this was not
> a smart move. <:-|
>
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Again, glad to see you okay.

--- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:

> Other that from embarrassment, there were no other
> injuries aside
> from cuts and scrapes.
>
> There was no intention for the bike to actually
> move. Looking at the
> video it appeared that the spin pushed the front
> tire enough to let
> the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment to
> release the front
> brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get back
> on the front
> brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to get
> it down to about 20 mph.
>
> Please note, area in front of the bike and
> all possible
> trajectories was cleared of people. Building on
> right side. Cement
> barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the other
> side.
>
> Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire
> and forks. Put a
> big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard to
> fix.
>
> On a positive note, this really proves just
> how safe the
> A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't
> opened it up,
> but it is almost certain there are some shorted
> cells in the pack.
> Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a
> major fireworks
> show, but not these.
>
> I have to admit in hindsight, this was not
> a smart move. <:-|
>
> Bill Dube'
>
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Hi, Bill,

I'm glad to hear you're okay. Hope you heal up fast. I'm sure tomorrow
you'll find a few other sore spots, but with luck, it will all go away
soon.

- F.T.

P.S. I was under the impression that only Lincoln Town Cars were fair game
for parking lot collisions.


> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Dube <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<[email protected]>
> Date: 9/13/2007 10:24:31 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] More drama than it merits....
>
> Other that from embarrassment, there were no other injuries aside
> from cuts and scrapes.
>
> There was no intention for the bike to actually move. Looking at the
> video it appeared that the spin pushed the front tire enough to let
> the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment to release the front
> brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get back on the front
> brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to get it down to about 20
mph.
>
> Please note, area in front of the bike and all possible
> trajectories was cleared of people. Building on right side. Cement
> barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the other side.
>
> Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire and forks. Put a
> big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard to fix.
>
> On a positive note, this really proves just how safe the
> A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't opened it up,
> but it is almost certain there are some shorted cells in the pack.
> Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a major fireworks
> show, but not these.
>
> I have to admit in hindsight, this was not a smart move. <:-|
>
> Bill Dube'
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Of course none of us have EVer done anything bordering on the edge of sanity and come close enough to disaster to see our life
flash back in a split second only to live and wonder, "What was I thinking". No, NONE of us have EVer done anything like that ;-P
**biting my tongue** remembering all the stoopid stuff I've done and lived the rest of my life trying to forget, thanks for
reminding me Bill ;-P

Kind of an ironic comment by the editor on the tgDaily site "did a 'burn out' in front of a Los Angeles Convention Center, but
accidentally accelerated too fast".

I wonder what he thinks the quickest accelerating 1/4 mile EV in the world was supposed to do? "this aint you're fathers cordless
tool"

Glad you're OK Bill. I don't suppose there was anything else as cool as the Killacycle at the show to look at when you went back,
eh? Although the reporter guy kinda liked your Palm Pilot which debuted at their show what? 5 or 6 years ago?

Mike,
Lucky I'm alive in Anchorage, Ak.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Bill Dube
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:50 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] More drama than it merits....
>
>
> I would be nice for folks to hear that this is really much less
> dramatic than it looked.
>
> Along that line, I could have easily stood up and walked away,
> (avoiding a lot of this drama) but I knew that would be REALLY stupid
> to do. Even in a very mild spill like it was, you are wise to not
> move until you are checked over. I was telling folks this the whole
> time I was laying there.
>
> They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and bandaids here
> and there, and then I walked several blocks back to the convention
> center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
>
> Bill D. (the idiot)
>
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Glad to hear you are ok. I even prayed for you
I was wondering was that the first time you have handled it as an A123 bike?

It got me rethinking about concerns regarding safety of homemade
equipment. Why I'm keeping the clutch but one has to make sure that is
reliable too.
Maybe you can make a mobile test stand for the bike to make future such
demos safer

Dan

Bill Dube wrote:

>Other that from embarrassment, there were no other injuries aside
>from cuts and scrapes.
>
>

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--- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:
> On a positive note, this really proves just how safe the
> A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't opened it up,
> but it is almost certain there are some shorted cells in the pack.
> Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a major fireworks
> show, but not these.

And there's the silver lining. There are other ways to show show safety, but now they (and you)
can brag crashworthiness. It'll be interesting to hear what happened inside the pack. I hope it
was dramatic enough to make a point but not too expensive to fix.

Hope you're feeling better,

Dave Cover (Who's only dumped one bike in his youth. Ok maybe it was a couple of times, but it was
the same bike.)

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I'll take embarrassed over hurt any day. Glad you weren't hurt. Wear a
helmet next time.

Bill Dube wrote:
> I would be nice for folks to hear that this is really much less
> dramatic than it looked.
>
> Along that line, I could have easily stood up and walked away,
> (avoiding a lot of this drama) but I knew that would be REALLY stupid
> to do. Even in a very mild spill like it was, you are wise to not
> move until you are checked over. I was telling folks this the whole
> time I was laying there.
>
> They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and bandaids here
> and there, and then I walked several blocks back to the convention
> center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
>
> Bill D. (the idiot)
>
>
> At 11:35 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Again, glad to see you okay.
>>
>> --- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Other that from embarrassment, there were no other
>>> injuries aside
>>> from cuts and scrapes.
>>>
>>> There was no intention for the bike to actually
>>> move. Looking at the
>>> video it appeared that the spin pushed the front
>>> tire enough to let
>>> the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment to
>>> release the front
>>> brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get back
>>> on the front
>>> brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to get
>>> it down to about 20 mph.
>>>
>>> Please note, area in front of the bike and
>>> all possible
>>> trajectories was cleared of people. Building on
>>> right side. Cement
>>> barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the other
>>> side.
>>>
>>> Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire
>>> and forks. Put a
>>> big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard to
>>> fix.
>>>
>>> On a positive note, this really proves just
>>> how safe the
>>> A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't
>>> opened it up,
>>> but it is almost certain there are some shorted
>>> cells in the pack.
>>> Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a
>>> major fireworks
>>> show, but not these.
>>>
>>> I have to admit in hindsight, this was not
>>> a smart move. <:-|
>>>
>>> Bill Dube'
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You are not an idiot. Just unlucky. You managed not to
bury the Killacycle too deep into the mini van which
is quite an accomphishment considering how fast that
bike is. It could have been far worst and we would not
be writing to you at this point if you had not gotten
it slowed down.

So here is a heart felt well wish for a speedy recover
of yourself and a quick repair of the Killacycle. We
will miss the great updates of the Killacycles runs.

If nothing else it proves how much entertainment value
the bike provides. Plus there is no better
advertisement then a wreck of this sort to the media.
I would bet it will be spread world wide news wise.
While it may or may not be the focus you would like in
recovering it will be watch very carefully by the
media in the future.

--- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:

> I would be nice for folks to hear that this is
> really much less
> dramatic than it looked.
>
> Along that line, I could have easily stood up and
> walked away,
> (avoiding a lot of this drama) but I knew that would
> be REALLY stupid
> to do. Even in a very mild spill like it was, you
> are wise to not
> move until you are checked over. I was telling folks
> this the whole
> time I was laying there.
>
> They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and
> bandaids here
> and there, and then I walked several blocks back to
> the convention
> center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
>
> Bill D. (the idiot)
>
>
> At 11:35 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
> >Again, glad to see you okay.
> >
> >

--- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Other that from embarrassment, there were no
> other
> > > injuries aside
> > > from cuts and scrapes.
> > >
> > > There was no intention for the bike to actually
> > > move. Looking at the
> > > video it appeared that the spin pushed the front
> > > tire enough to let
> > > the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment
> to
> > > release the front
> > > brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get
> back
> > > on the front
> > > brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to
> get
> > > it down to about 20 mph.
> > >
> > > Please note, area in front of the bike
> and
> > > all possible
> > > trajectories was cleared of people. Building on
> > > right side. Cement
> > > barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the
> other
> > > side.
> > >
> > > Munched the fairing. Munched the front
> tire
> > > and forks. Put a
> > > big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard
> to
> > > fix.
> > >
> > > On a positive note, this really proves
> just
> > > how safe the
> > > A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I
> haven't
> > > opened it up,
> > > but it is almost certain there are some shorted
> > > cells in the pack.
> > > Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put
> on a
> > > major fireworks
> > > show, but not these.
> > >
> > > I have to admit in hindsight, this was
> not
> > > a smart move. <:-|
> > >
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you wrote:

>Other that from embarrassment, there were no other injuries aside
>from cuts and scrapes.

Just glad you are OK.

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I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
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hehe sounds bad. let's be careful outthere folks. we ask the batteries
for a lot of power so we should expect a lot of power : )
stuck in full on can end badly. remember the legend of the guy who stuck
a jato rocket to his car : )
it's not the 200mph that kills you. it's the sudden stop at the end

Dan

[email protected] wrote:

>Biil,
>
>Sounds like the day I was "just testing" the OJ dragster in our parking
>lot and ended up in the woods where I sheared off a 6" tree and had to
>dig around for all of the batteries I had bungie corded on. Glad your
>Ok.
>
>Shawn
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Dube <[email protected]>
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
>Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 1:50 am
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] More drama than it merits....
>
>
>
>I would be nice for folks to hear that this is really much less
>dramatic than it looked.
>
>Along that line, I could have easily stood up and walked away,
>(avoiding a lot of this drama) but I knew that would be REALLY stupid
>to do. Even in a very mild spill like it was, you are wise to not
>move until you are checked over. I was telling folks this the whole
>time I was laying there.
>
>They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and bandaids here
>and there, and then I walked several blocks back to the convention
>center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
>
>Bill D. (the idiot)
>
>
>At 11:35 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>>Again, glad to see you okay.
>>
>>--- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Other that from embarrassment, there were no other
>>>injuries aside
>>>from cuts and scrapes.
>>>
>>>There was no intention for the bike to actually
>>>move. Looking at the
>>>video it appeared that the spin pushed the front
>>>tire enough to let
>>>the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment to
>>>release the front
>>>brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get back
>>>on the front
>>>brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to get
>>>it down to about 20 mph.
>>>
>>> Please note, area in front of the bike and
>>>all possible
>>>trajectories was cleared of people. Building on
>>>right side. Cement
>>>barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the other
>>>side.
>>>
>>> Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire
>>>and forks. Put a
>>>big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard to
>>>fix.
>>>
>>> On a positive note, this really proves just
>>>how safe the
>>>A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't
>>>opened it up,
>>>but it is almost certain there are some shorted
>>>cells in the pack.
>>>Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a
>>>major fireworks
>>>show, but not these.
>>>
>>> I have to admit in hindsight, this was not
>>>a smart move. <:-|
>>>
>>>Bill Dube'
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Wow! what news to read about this morning!

Bummer about the crash. Just really glad you are ok - or at least
recoverable!

I could join the crowd and say something like, "Wear a helmet!", or
"fasten you seat belt", or something like that, but, you already know
that. You can't do things without risk, so, get healed, fix Killacycle
and keep those wheels turning! ...I know, that also goes without saying!

By the way, regarding the drama as mentioned in later posts, the
Killacycle team is doing truly great things. It really does warrant the
drama.

Ken





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To: [email protected]; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:23 am
Subject: [EVDL] More drama than it merits....



Other that from embarrassment, there were no other injuries aside
from cuts and scrapes.

There was no intention for the bike to actually move. Looking at the
video it appeared that the spin pushed the front tire enough to let
the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment to release the front
brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get back on the front
brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to get it down to about 20
mph.

Please note, area in front of the bike and all possible
trajectories was cleared of people. Building on right side. Cement
barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the other side.

Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire and forks. Put a
big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard to fix.

On a positive note, this really proves just how safe the
A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I haven't opened it up,
but it is almost certain there are some shorted cells in the pack.
Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put on a major fireworks
show, but not these.

I have to admit in hindsight, this was not a smart move. <:-|

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Bill,
Sorry I missed you yesterday, but glad you didn't hit
me when I drove through the same spot looking for you
(at about the same time)! Should I come by the
convention center again? If so, what time and when
and where will you be driving and performing? I'll
want to arrive a little earlier to get to my seat
safely.
Jay

--- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:
> I would be nice for folks to hear that this is
> really much less
> dramatic than it looked.
> Along that line, I could have easily stood up and
> walked away,
> (avoiding a lot of this drama) but I knew that would
> be REALLY stupid
> to do. Even in a very mild spill like it was, you
> are wise to not
> move until you are checked over. I was telling folks
> this the whole
> time I was laying there.
> They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and
> bandaids here
> and there, and then I walked several blocks back to
> the convention
> center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
> Bill D. (the idiot)
>
> >

--- Bill Dube <[email protected]> wrote:
> Other that from embarrassment, there were no
> other injuries aside from cuts and scrapes.
> There was no intention for the bike to actually
> move. Looking at the
> video it appeared that the spin pushed the front
> tire enough to let
> the rear tire hit dry pavement. It took a moment
> to release the front
> brake, untwist the throttle fully, and then get
> back on the front
> brake. I _almost_ got it stopped. I managed to
> get it down to about 20 mph.
> Please note, area in front of the bike and
> all possible trajectories was cleared of people.
> Building on right side. Cement
> barriers (disguised as flower planters) on the
> other side.
> Munched the fairing. Munched the front tire
> and forks. Put a
> big dent in the front of the pack. Not too hard
> to fix.
> On a positive note, this really proves
> just how safe the
> A123 System cells are for EVs and hybrids. I
> haven't opened it up,
> but it is almost certain there are some shorted
> cells in the pack.
> Any other brand of Li_ion cells would have put
> on a major fireworks show, but not these.
> I have to admit in hindsight, this was not
> a smart move. <:-|
> Bill Dube'



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> Other that from embarrassment, there were no other injuries aside
> from cuts and scrapes. ... I have to admit in hindsight, this
> was not a smart move. <:-|

Bill, thank God you're all right! At least you know what you did wrong.
Any mistake we learn from is a good mistake!

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Hey Bill, all

I couldn't see how hard the impact was and am glad to
hear you're okay. I do have to admit that it gave me
flashbacks from my MC accident and how fast it can all
happen!

Hearing that you're okay, I hope I can poke a little
fun in that it reminded me of those old "Oh no Mr.
Bill" skits from years back 8^o (would make a great
claymation spoof) 8^P

I do feel this is a great reason to keep the rule that
if people don't come to the track, they have to settle
for the video, LMAO!

BTW has your crew created any new nicknames for you
yet 8^o cause I've got a couple in mind 8^P LMAO.

All joking aside, I am so glad to hear you're in good
health and spirits.

Cya
Jim Husted




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Dang Mr. Bill - glad to see you are tougher than clay-mation Mr.
Bill! Take care and perhaps put some positive use to the PR this is
generating. Its so hard to prepare for the one failure mode that out
to get you (its always the one you miss

Paul Gooch

Bill Dube wrote:

> As I said earlier, the pictures, commentary, and video are all making
> the appear a lot more dramatic than it actually was.

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Goodness, Bill, I know it's a good thing to get EVs in the news media, but
this is going ... uh ... a bit overboar ... um.

Seriously, I'll add to the rumble here that says "I'm really glad you're not
seriously hurt." I'm also glad that you're apparently utterly unfazed by
this incident. Carry on, sir!

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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