[EVDL] New DMV requirements

Peter Gabrielsson wrote:

> I got a nasty surprise at the DMV today, there seems to be a new DMV
> requirement for EV conversions in California. It is no longer
> sufficient to have the vehicle inspected at the DMV and the fuel type
> changed, you now have to go through a BAR referee station and you have
> to contact the ARB before making any changes to the emission system, I
> presume that includes the engine.
>
> Here's a copy of the new memo.
> http://www.electric-lemon.com/files/[email protected]_20101222_123112.pdf
>
> My application was rejected based on this new memo even though my
> vehicle was inspected by the DMV before the memo and my title had
> already been sent to Sacramento to have the fuel type changed. Of
> course the people I talked to at the Sacramento headquarters did not
> know why my paperwork had been rejected, I had to go stand in the rain
> outside the local DMV to find out about the new memo,
> bureaucracy..........
>
> Be warned
>
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corbin dunn <[email protected]>wrote:

> That's horrible news!
>
> What the heck is a BAR Referee station???
>

http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARResources/02_SmogCheck/referee_centers.html
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Roland Wiench <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think I got you beat here in Montana.
>
> The DMV issue me permanent plates for my EV that is over 11 years old. It
> is
> only a one time cost of $66.00 which is double the cost of a normal yearly
> registration. A lot of DMV stations do not advertise this, but if you look
> up your DMV web site, you may have this benefit.
>
> We have no sales tax, so the initial cost of the EV was $1250.00 less even
> though I bought the EV from the Electric Fuel Propulsion Company in
> Michigan.
>
> I have old geezer insurance on the EV and a another car of the same make
> from the Old Geezer Insurance Company. I only paid $30.00 a month for both
> cars from AARP.
>
> When I received my first EV back in 76, I took it to one of those places
> where they put the car on rollers and perform a moving test. I want to
> find
> out what the HP and Torque was at the wheels at different rpms. The
> technician did not know where to put the probes for the exhaust and rpm. I
> told him to put the exhaust probe on the battery box exhaust pipe and the
> rpm probe on the terminals of a electronic counter which also can be switch
> to a rpm indicator.
>
> The test surpass any known results as of today. Still have the results in
> my file compartment on board the EV.
>
> Roland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Miles" <[email protected]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] New DMV requirements
>
>
> > WOW!
> > So they inspect an electric motor for proper smog protection? Is it
> > OK
> > to exhaust a little carbon dust from the brushes out the cooling duct of
> > the Electric motor? YAHOO!
> >
> > Just thinking of that reminds me of why I like living in a state with
> > no
> > Emissions Inspections; also this time of year, I'm thankful for the lack
> > of
> > a State Personal Income Tax too. Also no state tax for Subchapter "S"
> > corps.
> > or for LLC's !
> > Some of you may consider the 2,000 mile move to that "Friendlier"
> > State,
> > Florida. Here the DMV just issues the plate for $23 yearly and Insurance
> > for
> > your car is under $100 monthly. And the cars don't rust either, mine is a
> > 2000 model with NO RUST !
> > Oh, yeah, the temperature today is pretty cold at 75 degrees, with a
> > low
> > tonight of 45 degrees. Yesterday I drove past one of the 500 lakes within
> > 20
> > miles of my home and admired the clean water and white sandy beaches,
> with
> > the car windows open and me in my short sleeved shirt and cotton
> > slacks.enjoying the bright sun, clear skys, and normal 80 degree weather.
> > (I prefer to sweat occasionally than sHiVeR...
> > Thinking of you-all and Smiling ! Wishing you-all a Happy
> > Holiday
> > !!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > *Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
> > *www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
> > EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
> > *
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > The "Stone Age" didn't end because they ran out of Stones;
> > It ended because they started using their Brains !
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > When the Earth runs out of OIL we will run the Diesels on vegetable oil !
> > Just Because we are so DARN Stubborn, and won't think SMARTER...
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nick Austin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:24 AM, corbin dunn
> > > <[email protected]
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's horrible news!
> > > >
> > > > What the heck is a BAR Referee station???
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Regards,
*Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
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It ended because they started using their Brains !
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Dennis Miles <[email protected]> wrote:

> Roland, OK I yield, but at least I avoid the expense of "Snow Tires and
> Tire
> Chains!
> Regards and Happy Holidays.
> Dennis
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Roland Wiench <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I think I got you beat here in Montana.
> >
> > The DMV issue me permanent plates for my EV that is over 11 years old. It
> > is
> > only a one time cost of $66.00 which is double the cost of a normal
> yearly
> > registration. A lot of DMV stations do not advertise this, but if you
> look
> > up your DMV web site, you may have this benefit.
> >
> > We have no sales tax, so the initial cost of the EV was $1250.00 less
> even
> > though I bought the EV from the Electric Fuel Propulsion Company in
> > Michigan.
> >
> > I have old geezer insurance on the EV and a another car of the same make
> > from the Old Geezer Insurance Company. I only paid $30.00 a month for
> both
> > cars from AARP.
> >
> > When I received my first EV back in 76, I took it to one of those places
> > where they put the car on rollers and perform a moving test. I want to
> > find
> > out what the HP and Torque was at the wheels at different rpms. The
> > technician did not know where to put the probes for the exhaust and rpm.
> I
> > told him to put the exhaust probe on the battery box exhaust pipe and the
> > rpm probe on the terminals of a electronic counter which also can be
> switch
> > to a rpm indicator.
> >
> > The test surpass any known results as of today. Still have the results
> in
> > my file compartment on board the EV.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dennis Miles" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 8:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] New DMV requirements
> >
> >
> > > WOW!
> > > So they inspect an electric motor for proper smog protection? Is
> it
> > > OK
> > > to exhaust a little carbon dust from the brushes out the cooling duct
> of
> > > the Electric motor? YAHOO!
> > >
> > > Just thinking of that reminds me of why I like living in a state
> with
> > > no
> > > Emissions Inspections; also this time of year, I'm thankful for the
> lack
> > > of
> > > a State Personal Income Tax too. Also no state tax for Subchapter "S"
> > > corps.
> > > or for LLC's !
> > > Some of you may consider the 2,000 mile move to that "Friendlier"
> > > State,
> > > Florida. Here the DMV just issues the plate for $23 yearly and
> Insurance
> > > for
> > > your car is under $100 monthly. And the cars don't rust either, mine is
> a
> > > 2000 model with NO RUST !
> > > Oh, yeah, the temperature today is pretty cold at 75 degrees, with a
> > > low
> > > tonight of 45 degrees. Yesterday I drove past one of the 500 lakes
> within
> > > 20
> > > miles of my home and admired the clean water and white sandy beaches,
> > with
> > > the car windows open and me in my short sleeved shirt and cotton
> > > slacks.enjoying the bright sun, clear skys, and normal 80 degree
> weather.
> > > (I prefer to sweat occasionally than sHiVeR...
> > > Thinking of you-all and Smiling ! Wishing you-all a Happy
> > > Holiday
> > > !!!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > *Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
> > > *www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
> > > EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
> > > *
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > The "Stone Age" didn't end because they ran out of Stones;
> > > It ended because they started using their Brains !
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > When the Earth runs out of OIL we will run the Diesels on vegetable oil
> !
> > > Just Because we are so DARN Stubborn, and won't think SMARTER...
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nick Austin <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:24 AM, corbin dunn
> > > > <[email protected]
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That's horrible news!
> > > > >
> > > > > What the heck is a BAR Referee station???
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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> *www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
> EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
> *
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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On 25 Dec 2010 at 1:18, Dennis Miles wrote:

> Vehicles which are driven only in areas and on highways where_NO_ salt
> is used ... show less rusting of the bottom, frame, and fender wells,
> and rocker panels, and other metal parts like mufflers ...

Electric vehicles have mufflers?

Methinks we might be wandering a bit off topic here ... so if that be true,
I guess I can wish Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it.

To those who celebrate other things -

s/Christmas/[Solstice][Kwanzaa][Hannukah][Yule][etc]/g

Me, I'll be listening tonight for the prancing and pawing of each little
hoof. It might be the last year. Rumor has it there's growing unease among
the reindeer about that contract the boss just signed with Electric Blue EV
Conversions.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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