--- Roderick Wilde <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have you ever wondered who has the quickest
> electric vehicle in 2007? Well
> just go here to find out for yourself.:
> http://www.currenteliminator.net/
> For those who already know me you understand that I
> can not tolerate BS. For
> those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you.
> There is a fine line
> between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the
> judge on this one. I
> believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker
> than low 12 seconds in
> 2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8
> second runs. If I am wrong
> I will retract this statement.
I agree with you except that
http://www.currenteliminator.net/home/ shows an 8.8
time. Still below the Killacycle, however.
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[EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
Have you ever wondered who has the quickest electric vehicle in 2007? Well
just go here to find out for yourself.: http://www.currenteliminator.net/
For those who already know me you understand that I can not tolerate BS. For
those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you. There is a fine line
between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the judge on this one. I
believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds in
2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8 second runs. If I am wrong
I will retract this statement.
For further kicks and giggles look up the list of competitors, then check
out the definition of competitors in your dictionary. Dennis is afraid of
Rich Rudman's fifteen second Ford Festiva? Give me a break! I would be
laughing, but this kind of mis-information and deception not only damages
the sport of electric drag racing but also belittles those who are pushing
the envelope. This type of mis-information and behaviour is extremely
unsportsman like to other competitors.
Roderick Wilde
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just go here to find out for yourself.: http://www.currenteliminator.net/
For those who already know me you understand that I can not tolerate BS. For
those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you. There is a fine line
between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the judge on this one. I
believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds in
2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8 second runs. If I am wrong
I will retract this statement.
For further kicks and giggles look up the list of competitors, then check
out the definition of competitors in your dictionary. Dennis is afraid of
Rich Rudman's fifteen second Ford Festiva? Give me a break! I would be
laughing, but this kind of mis-information and deception not only damages
the sport of electric drag racing but also belittles those who are pushing
the envelope. This type of mis-information and behaviour is extremely
unsportsman like to other competitors.
Roderick Wilde
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Hi David,
I don't quite understand this statement?
>
> I agree with you except that
> http://www.currenteliminator.net/home/ shows an 8.8
> time. Still below the Killacycle, however.
We have been running in the ~8.2's on every racetrack since Phoenix.
In Phoenix we did are fastest run Dennis was there as well 8.168
155.74mph. We have gone 158mph in Oregon. That is the fastest and
quickest that I know of in the 1/4mile.
Not to take anything away from Dennis's accomplishments he held the
record till April 1st 2007. Steve Ciciora, Bill Dube, myself (Derek
Barger), and Scotty Pollacheck now have that record. The pictures of
his S-10 look like it is going to be a screamer. That is what has been
in the 12's already. A great feat to do with a brand new vehicle. He
is trying to catch up with John Wayland who has one of the
scariest-fastestest cars I have ever been in. White Zombie is a great
name for that car. After I got out I was probably White as a ghost and
felt like a Zombie. I hope to get a ride in Dennis's S-10 some day as
well.
Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member
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I don't quite understand this statement?
>
> I agree with you except that
> http://www.currenteliminator.net/home/ shows an 8.8
> time. Still below the Killacycle, however.
We have been running in the ~8.2's on every racetrack since Phoenix.
In Phoenix we did are fastest run Dennis was there as well 8.168
155.74mph. We have gone 158mph in Oregon. That is the fastest and
quickest that I know of in the 1/4mile.
Not to take anything away from Dennis's accomplishments he held the
record till April 1st 2007. Steve Ciciora, Bill Dube, myself (Derek
Barger), and Scotty Pollacheck now have that record. The pictures of
his S-10 look like it is going to be a screamer. That is what has been
in the 12's already. A great feat to do with a brand new vehicle. He
is trying to catch up with John Wayland who has one of the
scariest-fastestest cars I have ever been in. White Zombie is a great
name for that car. After I got out I was probably White as a ghost and
felt like a Zombie. I hope to get a ride in Dennis's S-10 some day as
well.
Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member
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he may have had the record in the beginning of 07
Roderick Wilde wrote:
> Have you ever wondered who has the quickest electric vehicle in 2007? Well
> just go here to find out for yourself.: http://www.currenteliminator.net/
> For those who already know me you understand that I can not tolerate BS. For
> those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you. There is a fine line
> between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the judge on this one. I
> believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds in
> 2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8 second runs. If I am wrong
> I will retract this statement.
>
> For further kicks and giggles look up the list of competitors, then check
> out the definition of competitors in your dictionary. Dennis is afraid of
> Rich Rudman's fifteen second Ford Festiva? Give me a break! I would be
> laughing, but this kind of mis-information and deception not only damages
> the sport of electric drag racing but also belittles those who are pushing
> the envelope. This type of mis-information and behaviour is extremely
> unsportsman like to other competitors.
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
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> L] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Date:9/4/2007 12:38:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[email protected]
> Reply-to:[email protected]
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>
>
> he may have had the record in the beginning of 07
>
[email protected] writes:
> L] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Date:9/4/2007 12:38:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[email protected]
> Reply-to:[email protected]
> To:[email protected], [email protected]
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
> he may have had the record in the beginning of 07
>
> Roderick Wilde wrote:
> > Have you ever wondered who has the quickest electric vehicle in 2007?
> Well
> >just go here to find out for yourself.: http://www.currenteliminator.net/
> >For those who already know me you understand that I can not tolerate BS.
> For
> >those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you. There is a fine line
> >between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the judge on this one. I
> >believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds in
> >2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8 second runs. If I am
> wrong
> >I will retract this statement.
> >
> > For further kicks and giggles look up the list of competitors, then
> check
> >out the definition of competitors in your dictionary. Dennis is afraid of
> >Rich Rudman's fifteen second Ford Festiva? Give me a break! I would be
> >laughing, but this kind of mis-information and deception not only damages
> >the sport of electric drag racing but also belittles those who are pushing
> >the envelope. This type of mis-information and behaviour is extremely
> >unsportsman like to other competitors.
> >
> >Roderick Wilde
> >
***WOW,Its been at least a year since I looked at the CE site.Ya Rod you and
others are correct,we are now only the worlds quickest and fastest EV
Dragster.Since I do not know how to change my website I cannot change this today,
however I will find the webmaster and let him know.
I had been working on the
S10,heads up racing it (13 passes now) and just having so much fun with it I have
almost forgotten about the CE dragster. This would also be a great time for him to
also add the S 10 to my site and the fact that I do also modify and rebuild
DC series motors. Thanks Rod for bringing this to my attention.
Dennis Berube
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--- Derek Barger <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi David,
> I don't quite understand this statement?
> >
> > I agree with you except that
> > http://www.currenteliminator.net/home/ shows an
> 8.8
> > time. Still below the Killacycle, however.
The statement was made that the CurrentEliminator
hadn't run under 12s or something like that. It had an
8.80x run which is what I was pointing out. The last
sentence was an acknowledgment that the Killacycle is
still faster than the CurrentEliminator so the claim
of it being the fastest EV is still false.
I wasn't trying to point fingers at anyone but if
someone claims that someone else has their facts wrong
it is a good idea to not introduce incorrect data in
the new claim. That is all.
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> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]> evparts.com>
> Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> "I can not tolerate BS".
"I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds in
> 2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
>
> Roderick Wilde
Well Roderick I dont tolerate BS either SO I will call you on this one!
Check out my write up earier this year at the bottom of my site:
http://www.dm3electrics.com/
- January 14, 2007 to be specific.
This is when I drove the CE-V myself UNDER 12 seconds and the ticket has been posted ever since.
So this makes you "wrong" and I expect a retraction if you keep your word.
WE all know Dennis' accomplishments but slandering him for not updating a site seems to me to be
pretty low especially when it was written is was true.
mario
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> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]> evparts.com>
> Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> "I can not tolerate BS".
"I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds in
> 2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
>
> Roderick Wilde
Well Roderick I dont tolerate BS either SO I will call you on this one!
Check out my write up earier this year at the bottom of my site:
http://www.dm3electrics.com/
- January 14, 2007 to be specific.
This is when I drove the CE-V myself UNDER 12 seconds and the ticket has been posted ever since.
So this makes you "wrong" and I expect a retraction if you keep your word.
WE all know Dennis' accomplishments but slandering him for not updating a site seems to me to be
pretty low especially when it was written is was true.
mario
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Mario, I will definitely retract my statement and offer you a personal
apology on the 12 second issue. I had actually indicated by my earlier post
that I was not actually sure and wanted someone to correct me if I was
wrong. You did just that. It is what and I had recalled and I was actually
wrong by over a tenth of a second. When it comes to BS, the 11.898 second ET
that you turned is nowhere near an 8.7 ET posted by the Killacycle in 2006.
In fact an 11.898 ET is not even close to the ET of a certain street legal
Datsun. I'll bet you would really like to know what it feels like to go that
quick in the quarter mile! Saying that Dennis failed to update his site,
which he claims he hasn't been to in over a year, is an utterly ridiculous
statement just from the fact that the year 2007 is clearly posted. You do
realize that this year is 2007, right! Dennis knew that Bill Dube blew away
his time in 2006. Are you going to also deny that Dennis was not aware of
this fact either. It was clearly posted on this forum to all to read and
Dennis monitors this forum daily. I just believe in furthering the sport of
EV drag racing and not supporting those who try to subvert it by diminishing
the achievements of others by posting outrageous and false claims on their
sites. For clarification, I have visited your site and enjoy what you have
written and I do not see any BS there. I used to live in Jerome and once
took our street rod to the top of Mingus Mountain and let it fly in neutral
all the way to Jerome, about seven miles. My passenger felt for sure he was
going to die on the hairpin turns but I reassured him by telling him, "don't
worry, I have never been killed before, not even once!" With the batteries
mounted low below the frame on either side and the wide sticky tires, the
light weight street rod felt like a go cart. Way too much fun and a slight
bit illegal!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "mario" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
>> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]> evparts.com>
>> Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
>> "I can not tolerate BS".
> "I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds
> in
>> 2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
>>
>> Roderick Wilde
>
> Well Roderick I dont tolerate BS either SO I will call you on this one!
> Check out my write up earier this year at the bottom of my site:
> http://www.dm3electrics.com/
> - January 14, 2007 to be specific.
> This is when I drove the CE-V myself UNDER 12 seconds and the ticket has
> been posted ever since.
> So this makes you "wrong" and I expect a retraction if you keep your word.
>
> WE all know Dennis' accomplishments but slandering him for not updating a
> site seems to me to be
> pretty low especially when it was written is was true.
>
> mario
>
>
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apology on the 12 second issue. I had actually indicated by my earlier post
that I was not actually sure and wanted someone to correct me if I was
wrong. You did just that. It is what and I had recalled and I was actually
wrong by over a tenth of a second. When it comes to BS, the 11.898 second ET
that you turned is nowhere near an 8.7 ET posted by the Killacycle in 2006.
In fact an 11.898 ET is not even close to the ET of a certain street legal
Datsun. I'll bet you would really like to know what it feels like to go that
quick in the quarter mile! Saying that Dennis failed to update his site,
which he claims he hasn't been to in over a year, is an utterly ridiculous
statement just from the fact that the year 2007 is clearly posted. You do
realize that this year is 2007, right! Dennis knew that Bill Dube blew away
his time in 2006. Are you going to also deny that Dennis was not aware of
this fact either. It was clearly posted on this forum to all to read and
Dennis monitors this forum daily. I just believe in furthering the sport of
EV drag racing and not supporting those who try to subvert it by diminishing
the achievements of others by posting outrageous and false claims on their
sites. For clarification, I have visited your site and enjoy what you have
written and I do not see any BS there. I used to live in Jerome and once
took our street rod to the top of Mingus Mountain and let it fly in neutral
all the way to Jerome, about seven miles. My passenger felt for sure he was
going to die on the hairpin turns but I reassured him by telling him, "don't
worry, I have never been killed before, not even once!" With the batteries
mounted low below the frame on either side and the wide sticky tires, the
light weight street rod felt like a go cart. Way too much fun and a slight
bit illegal!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "mario" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
>> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]> evparts.com>
>> Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
>> "I can not tolerate BS".
> "I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds
> in
>> 2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
>>
>> Roderick Wilde
>
> Well Roderick I dont tolerate BS either SO I will call you on this one!
> Check out my write up earier this year at the bottom of my site:
> http://www.dm3electrics.com/
> - January 14, 2007 to be specific.
> This is when I drove the CE-V myself UNDER 12 seconds and the ticket has
> been posted ever since.
> So this makes you "wrong" and I expect a retraction if you keep your word.
>
> WE all know Dennis' accomplishments but slandering him for not updating a
> site seems to me to be
> pretty low especially when it was written is was true.
>
> mario
>
>
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<<< But it says "Fastest", we're talking about "Quickest", as in
accelerating in the 1/4 mile.
I wonder how fast Killacycle would go all out with faster gearing
though. Probably too scarry fast for a bike ;-) >>>
I thought the Buckeye Bullet was the fastest (officially) at over 300mph...
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accelerating in the 1/4 mile.
I wonder how fast Killacycle would go all out with faster gearing
though. Probably too scarry fast for a bike ;-) >>>
I thought the Buckeye Bullet was the fastest (officially) at over 300mph...
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In a message dated 9/4/2007 9:21:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
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> [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Date:9/4/2007 9:21:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[email protected]
> Reply-to:[email protected]du
> To:[email protected]
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
> >From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]> evparts.com>
> >Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
> > "I can not tolerate BS".
> "I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds
> in
> >2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
> >
> >Roderick Wilde
>
---Well Rod Wilde you owe me an a retractment also.My CE dragster went 11.89
at least 200 times this year bracket racing.
---You also owe Lori Peterson,she drove the CE to 10.18 in
march/07 with 240 volts. ---Thanks for the apoligy
to Mario.
At the time the website was made we
tried to add as many evs as we could to help those folks and nedra.When the
site is updated we will drop all other competors from it.Are there any other
issues you have with me,my site,ect.?
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> [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Date:9/4/2007 9:21:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[email protected]
> Reply-to:[email protected]du
> To:[email protected]
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
> >From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]> evparts.com>
> >Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
> > "I can not tolerate BS".
> "I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds
> in
> >2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
> >
> >Roderick Wilde
>
---Well Rod Wilde you owe me an a retractment also.My CE dragster went 11.89
at least 200 times this year bracket racing.
---You also owe Lori Peterson,she drove the CE to 10.18 in
march/07 with 240 volts. ---Thanks for the apoligy
to Mario.
At the time the website was made we
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Ian, You are correct, this site is way out of date and does not mention
> the
> year 2007 anywhere. At the bottom of the page it says last modified Nov.
> 17,
> 2203. I believe the new EV land speed record for an EV in the US is
> 314.958
> mph set by the Buckeye Bullet at the Bonneville Salt Flats way back in
> 2004:
> http://www.speedace.info/osu_buckeye_bullet.htm
>
To sture the pot a bit, the French RR's TGV TRAIN at 357 MPH is the
fastest!Seems like a look CLOSLY at the timeslips should put this all too
rest?Were getting into comparring apples to oranges here. Of course TGV may
need more than a quarter mile to do it's thing, though. I wonder if the guyz
at SNCF (French National RR)measured the quarter mile time?Probab;y mot
impressive as it has pretty tall gears to go that fast.?!Quarter mile track,
vs, good chunk if France. Bike, VS Rail Vs Street car (Not Brill , PCC or
Niles) Market St., SF.
If it wasn't for distances the true shootouts would be
Kilocycle/Current elininater...Zoombie/Dennis's Yet Unnamed S-10. These
would be ones for You Tube!
I'll send Rob Neighbours, Lister of yore, Pilot, now, with the Fedex
Cargo Jet<g>! I Wish!
Seeya
Bob
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Ian, You are correct, this site is way out of date and does not mention
> the
> year 2007 anywhere. At the bottom of the page it says last modified Nov.
> 17,
> 2203. I believe the new EV land speed record for an EV in the US is
> 314.958
> mph set by the Buckeye Bullet at the Bonneville Salt Flats way back in
> 2004:
> http://www.speedace.info/osu_buckeye_bullet.htm
>
To sture the pot a bit, the French RR's TGV TRAIN at 357 MPH is the
fastest!Seems like a look CLOSLY at the timeslips should put this all too
rest?Were getting into comparring apples to oranges here. Of course TGV may
need more than a quarter mile to do it's thing, though. I wonder if the guyz
at SNCF (French National RR)measured the quarter mile time?Probab;y mot
impressive as it has pretty tall gears to go that fast.?!Quarter mile track,
vs, good chunk if France. Bike, VS Rail Vs Street car (Not Brill , PCC or
Niles) Market St., SF.
If it wasn't for distances the true shootouts would be
Kilocycle/Current elininater...Zoombie/Dennis's Yet Unnamed S-10. These
would be ones for You Tube!
I'll send Rob Neighbours, Lister of yore, Pilot, now, with the Fedex
Cargo Jet<g>! I Wish!
Seeya
Bob
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> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:51:29 -0700
> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Mario, I will definitely retract my statement and offer you a personal
> apology on the 12 second issue. I had actually indicated by my earlier post
> that I was not actually sure and wanted someone to correct me if I was
> wrong. You did just that. It is what and I had recalled and I was actually
> wrong by over a tenth of a second. ----- I have visited your site and enjoy what you have
> written and I do not see any BS there. I used to live in Jerome and once
> took our street rod to the top of Mingus Mountain and let it fly in neutral
> all the way to Jerome, about seven miles. My passenger felt for sure he was
> going to die on the hairpin turns but I reassured him by telling him, "don't
> worry, I have never been killed before, not even once!" With the batteries
> mounted low below the frame on either side and the wide sticky tires, the
> light weight street rod felt like a go cart. Way too much fun and a slight
> bit illegal!
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
Roderick,
Thanks and I accept -- and hope we can keep things civilized in the EV conmmunity. I appreciate
your comments on my site and understand your passengers feelings about the hairpins, anyones first
trip over mingus is unforgetable if not use to mountain roads. I am sure Dennis' site will get an
overhaul when his truck gets "in the news" soon.
mario
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> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Mario, I will definitely retract my statement and offer you a personal
> apology on the 12 second issue. I had actually indicated by my earlier post
> that I was not actually sure and wanted someone to correct me if I was
> wrong. You did just that. It is what and I had recalled and I was actually
> wrong by over a tenth of a second. ----- I have visited your site and enjoy what you have
> written and I do not see any BS there. I used to live in Jerome and once
> took our street rod to the top of Mingus Mountain and let it fly in neutral
> all the way to Jerome, about seven miles. My passenger felt for sure he was
> going to die on the hairpin turns but I reassured him by telling him, "don't
> worry, I have never been killed before, not even once!" With the batteries
> mounted low below the frame on either side and the wide sticky tires, the
> light weight street rod felt like a go cart. Way too much fun and a slight
> bit illegal!
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
Roderick,
Thanks and I accept -- and hope we can keep things civilized in the EV conmmunity. I appreciate
your comments on my site and understand your passengers feelings about the hairpins, anyones first
trip over mingus is unforgetable if not use to mountain roads. I am sure Dennis' site will get an
overhaul when his truck gets "in the news" soon.
mario
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