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Scratch one advantage from owning an EV



http://www.detnews.com/article/20101217/AUTO01/12170344/1148/Car-sound-bill-
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Yet another reason why 3 (or 2) wheels are better than 4...

Still sad though :-( Sadder still that you can't pick the sound --
stifling innovation: "I'd like the Jetson's car sound option please!"

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Scratch one advantage from owning an EV



http://www.detnews.com/article/20101217/AUTO01/12170344/1148/Car-sound-b
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Buddy Mills

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Look mom, no gas. <http://www.evalbum.com/2887>
http://www.evalbum.com/2887



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Some time ago, a car dealer attendant brought my new car to the front door
for me to pick up. I got in and I try to start it. It was already running
which you could not hear it run.

This car made as much noise as my EV which was the sound of the tires
running over the pavement that I can hear if the windows were down.

Therefore, they should be required to put sound generating devices on ICE's
that are that quiet. There is already a lot of vehicles with a sound
generator system. It's call your entertainment system. I have use it when
I roll into a car show event which has recorded sounds that I either made
with a sound generator software from a computer or from a electronic piano
keyboard.

Someday I plan to put on two 6 inch diameter exhaust tips out the rear that
has 6 inch speakers in then. I than can blast the doors and hood off a car
that try's to keep up with me.

Roland




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this is utterly ridiculous. again. :(
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I agree. Hopefully, it will be just a speaker that can be unplugged.

Dave Hymers wrote:

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again, my uncle was run over and killed by a distracted driver who saw a pretty
girl (1917)
should we make all pretty ladies cover up?



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For the Pike's Peak International Hill Climb, Eva was required to
have some sort of noise-making device on her ElectroCat electric
motorcycle. In that specific situation, it makes perfect sense to
have the machine make some sort of simulated racing vehicle noise.
The course has no fences and spectators line the sides of the roads
(even the outside of corners!) Without some sort of simulated race
car/motorcycle noise, spectators will walk out into the road in front
of you, injuring themselves and you.

Our buddy Joe Sellars made a nifty noise-maker that sounded like a
2-stroke bike shifting gears, infinitely.... It would get folks out
of the way, but by the time they heard the bike rev through the 10th
identical gear, they realized the noise was a fake and the bike was
electric. It was also well past them at that point. Perfect solution
from our perspective.

Others that have entered this race with EVs over the years have
experimented with different noises, like a siren. If it doesn't sound
like a race car, folks will step out into the road to see what is
making that weird noise. It makes the situation worse instead of
better unless it sounds something like an ICE race car, like a racing
transmission with square gear teeth or exhaust noise, etc.

On the normal street vehicle, there is no need for anything but
perhaps a polite "ding ding" type bell needed beyond the regular car
horn. As the driver, it is your job to not run anyone over on a cross
walk or side walk. If they are crossing against the signal, or jay
walking, they will hear your squealing tires and blowing horn, and
then quickly step back on the sidewalk if you are both doing your jobs.

I should note that your tires make noise rolling on the pavement.
Most folks don't know that, because their engine makes so much noise.
If there are no other cars around, a pedestrian can easily hear this.
Listen a bit the next time you are waiting for the bus and you will
hear it for yourself.

There are many completely silent luxury ICE cars. Bicycles go fast
and are silent. A coasting ICE car is silent.

Bill D.

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What can we do to influence the automakers and the rule makers? If the
result is the horrible beep that commercial vehicles make backing up (I'll
not that in Seattle, the new garbage trucks have a much more polite noise
now), it will be unbearable. If we have to have noise, my take is the
amount of noise should be rougly equivalent to a properly working quite ICE
vehicle. That seems to have worked without complaint for years, so anything
more is overreaction.

It's true that peds will step out without looking, relying on ears. Having
some sound is probably a good idea. I bicycle a lot and one time hit a ped
who stepped out in front of me without looking! (We both fell, but no
significant injuries.) Being hit by a car would be a lot worse.

Peri

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Noisy EVs?

For the Pike's Peak International Hill Climb, Eva was required to have some
sort of noise-making device on her ElectroCat electric motorcycle. In that
specific situation, it makes perfect sense to have the machine make some
sort of simulated racing vehicle noise.
The course has no fences and spectators line the sides of the roads (even
the outside of corners!) Without some sort of simulated race car/motorcycle
noise, spectators will walk out into the road in front of you, injuring
themselves and you.

Our buddy Joe Sellars made a nifty noise-maker that sounded like a
2-stroke bike shifting gears, infinitely.... It would get folks out of the
way, but by the time they heard the bike rev through the 10th identical
gear, they realized the noise was a fake and the bike was electric. It was
also well past them at that point. Perfect solution from our perspective.

Others that have entered this race with EVs over the years have
experimented with different noises, like a siren. If it doesn't sound like a
race car, folks will step out into the road to see what is making that weird
noise. It makes the situation worse instead of better unless it sounds
something like an ICE race car, like a racing transmission with square gear
teeth or exhaust noise, etc.

On the normal street vehicle, there is no need for anything but
perhaps a polite "ding ding" type bell needed beyond the regular car horn.
As the driver, it is your job to not run anyone over on a cross walk or side
walk. If they are crossing against the signal, or jay walking, they will
hear your squealing tires and blowing horn, and then quickly step back on
the sidewalk if you are both doing your jobs.

I should note that your tires make noise rolling on the pavement.
Most folks don't know that, because their engine makes so much noise.
If there are no other cars around, a pedestrian can easily hear this.
Listen a bit the next time you are waiting for the bus and you will hear it
for yourself.

There are many completely silent luxury ICE cars. Bicycles go fast
and are silent. A coasting ICE car is silent.

Bill D.

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