[EVDL] NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's trying to make money.

I seriously doubt they are getting more energy out than they are putting
in, but the burning "salt water" appears to be FACT not fiction.

Rustum Roy is actually on the board at Penn State University, there is a
link on the Penn state website to Dr Roy's website. That website has a
link to a video showing the Hydrogen burning.

I'm quite certain that they aren't getting any over unity reaction here,
but they are using radio waves to separate hydrogen from salt water and
then igniting the hydrogen.

> Below is what sounds like the answer to our prayers. However it may be a
> hoax or a lie designed to filtch investors. This kind of free or amazing
> energy source comes up every once in a while on this list so the below
> article is a textbook example of what I call feeding the pigeons. We all
> are the pigeons. One tip off is time and money will be needed to prove
> the
> process. The other is the question of weather the radio frequency power
> input is offset by the power output of the flame of (chuckle) burning salt
> water. If you see something like this below turn on your bs detector. No
> offense to Remy or the ET list. He is just passing along information from
> many sources. He lets you make the decision as to the truth of the
> articles. In the past EV list members have ferreted out lies. So keep
> your
> money in your pocket and make sure devices or other methods of fuel are
> proven before investing. Lawrence Rhodes....
>
> Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
> Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [email protected]
> cleannewworld
> Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:20 am ((PDT))
>
> Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
> Sunday, September 09, 2007
> By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>
> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm
>
> For obvious reasons, scientists long have thought that salt water couldn't
> be burned.
>
> So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the
> radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a was a hoax.
>
> John Kanzius, a Washington County native, tried to desalinate seawater
> with
> a generator he developed to treat cancer, and it caused a flash in the
> test
> tube.
>
> Within days, he had the salt water in the test tube burning like a candle,
> as long as it was exposed to radio frequencies.
>
> His discovery has spawned scientific interest in using the world's most
> abundant substance as clean fuel, among other uses.
>
> Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, held a demonstration last
> week
> at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State College, to
> confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.
>
> "It's true, it works," Dr. Roy said. "Everyone told me, 'Rustum, don't be
> fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "
>
> But there are no electrodes and no gimmicks, he said.
>
> Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The
> radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the constituents
> of
> salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and releases the
> hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when exposed to the RF
> energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source measured the flame's
> temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, reflecting an
> enormous
> energy output.
>
> As such, Dr. Roy, a founding member of the Materials Research Laboratory
> and
> expert in water structure, said Mr. Kanzius' discovery represents "the
> most
> remarkable in water science in 100 years."
>
> But researching its potential will take time and money, he said. One
> immediate question is energy efficiency: The energy the RF generator uses
> vs. the energy output from burning hydrogen.
>
> Dr. Roy said he's scheduled to meet tomorrow with U.S. Department of
> Energy
> and Department of Defense officials in Washington to discuss the discovery
> and seek research funding.
>
> Mr. Kanzius said he powered a Stirling, or hot air, engine with salt
> water.
> But whether the system can power a car or be used as an efficient fuel
> will
> depend on research results.
>
> "We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it
> leads,"
> Dr. Roy said. "The potential is huge.
>
> "In the life sciences, the role of water is infinite, and this guy is
> doing
> something new in using the most important and most abundant material on
> the
> face of the earth."
> Mr. Kanzius' discovery was an accident.
>
> He developed the RF generator as a novel cancer treatment. His research in
> targeting cancer cells with metallic nanoparticles then destroying them
> with
> radio-frequency is proceeding at the University of Pittsburgh Medical
> Center
> and at the University of Texas' MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.
>
> Manuscripts updating the cancer research are in preparation for
> publication
> in coming months, Mr. Kanzius said.
>
> While Mr. Kanzius was demonstrating how his generator heated
> nanoparticles,
> someone noted condensation inside the test tube and suggested he try using
> his equipment to desalinate water.
>
> So, Mr. Kanzius said, he put sea water in a test tube, then trained his
> machine on it, producing an unexpected spark. In time he and laboratory
> owners struck a match and ignited the water, which continued burning as
> long
> as it remained in the radio-frequency field.
>
> During several trials, heat from burning hydrogen grew hot enough to melt
> the test tube, he said. Dr. Roy's tests on the machine last week provided
> further evidence that the process is releasing and burning hydrogen from
> the
> water. Tests on different water solutions and concentrations produced
> various temperatures and flame colors.
>
> "This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Dr.
> Roy
> said of salt water. "Seeing it burn gives me chills."
>
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