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Had to share this before I go to bed tonight. I had one of those EV moments today. I went to leave work today, my car parked inside the warehouse. I backed normally, got out and locked up the doors, it was starting to rain at this point, came back to the car, put it in gear and realized the shift linkage had broken on me, the car was stuck in neutral. This would normally be a tow it to a shop problem, but the EV doesn't necessarily have this problem. I opened the hood, moved the shifter linkages around and found some gear, got in and hit the pedal and it wasn't reverse! Since I was moving I figured what the heck, lets see if I can make it home. I figured out shortly I was locked in 4th, all well. I drove 12 miles home in the rain in one gear, pulled in to my garage at home and just had to laugh. Only in an EV!

Turns out the bushing on the shifter itself broke off, it's a common problem on Saturns turns out. Luckily there is an aftermarket bushing I ordered which avoids me having to replace the whole shifter linkage and fixes the weak link.


Regards,
Ricky Suiter
Elite Power Solutions LLC
92 Saturn SC Conversion




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Hi Rick;

Ya means it RAINS In AZ ?? EV Magic moments! IF you live with the Rather
vegue Jokes- Wagen shift linkages in popular VW diner cars; Jetti, Rabbits?
You NEVER can be shure WHAD Damn gear you are in?!You get reounded in a
take-off race in! 4th/! when you THOUGHT you hade first? Nesens(Datsuns)
make good doner cars with the "Positive" steel bar linkage! But when my
Jetta WOULDN't go at forward I Cheeteted had the @#$%& car FLATBEDDED
home!.Not driving home in Reverse! They had to winch it on the truck,
sigh.Yes! I REIBILE the damn shify bushings ALL through it thing!

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricky Suiter" <[email protected]>
To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:09 AM
Subject: [EVDL] One of those EV moments - shift cable breaks


> Had to share this before I go to bed tonight. I had one of those EV
> moments today. I went to leave work today, my car parked inside the
> warehouse. I backed normally, got out and locked up the doors, it was
> starting to rain at this point, came back to the car, put it in gear and
> realized the shift linkage had broken on me, the car was stuck in neutral.
> This would normally be a tow it to a shop problem, but the EV doesn't
> necessarily have this problem. I opened the hood, moved the shifter
> linkages around and found some gear, got in and hit the pedal and it
> wasn't reverse! Since I was moving I figured what the heck, lets see if I
> can make it home. I figured out shortly I was locked in 4th, all well. I
> drove 12 miles home in the rain in one gear, pulled in to my garage at
> home and just had to laugh. Only in an EV!
>
> Turns out the bushing on the shifter itself broke off, it's a common
> problem on Saturns turns out. Luckily there is an aftermarket bushing I
> ordered which avoids me having to replace the whole shifter linkage and
> fixes the weak link.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ricky Suiter
> Elite Power Solutions LLC
> 92 Saturn SC Conversion
>
>
>
>
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I had a similar experience a few months ago. My Cabriolet was balking at
shifting into 2nd gear. Problem slowly gets worse and worse. At some point
I could only get into 2nd when completely stopped - really annoying when
doing 45MPH and manage to hit the green left turn arrow onto a street with
an 8% uphill grade. Had to stop a few times with pissed off people behind
me while I fiddled the shifter.

One day I drop my son off at preschool, get back into the car, and while
getting into reverse the shifter goes COMPLETELY slack. Obviously
something came loose, but I can't see that far under the car without
jacking it up. @#$%@#! On a whim, I check to see if the transmission is
still in gear - stuck in 3rd! OK, we can do this... Push the car out of
its parking spot (thankfully it's a flat area) and drive the 8 miles home
in 3rd. At least this time the 8% grade is going downhill.

Anyone ever see the shift linkage on an old VW? (yes, I'm talking to you,
Bob) - what a joke! It's amazing they even work at all. Managed to fix the
darn thing with some thin sheet metal angle brackets - the mount that
attaches to the steering column only had the bottom bolt attached (the top
one wouldn't fit with the manual steering rack) and allowed the whole
thing to sway back and forth. It eventually fatigued and cracked... Now it
shifts better than it ever has since I've owned the car :)

-Adrian

Ricky Suiter wrote:

> see if I can make it home. I figured out shortly I was locked in 4th,
> all well. I drove 12 miles home in the rain in one gear, pulled in to my
> garage at home and just had to laugh. Only in an EV!
>
> Turns out the bushing on the shifter itself broke off, it's a common
> problem on Saturns turns out. Luckily there is an aftermarket bushing I
> ordered which avoids me having to replace the whole shifter linkage and
> fixes the weak link.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ricky Suiter
> Elite Power Solutions LLC
> 92 Saturn SC Conversion
>
>
>
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Oh yes... the old VW shifters were notorious for being completely vague on
what gear you were in. You can drive a manual eh..... well, try this
one!..... I had an old diesel rabbit that felt like it was in nuetral in
any gear it wiggled so much.

Adrian DeLeon <[email protected]> wrote:

> I had a similar experience a few months ago. My Cabriolet was balking at
> shifting into 2nd gear. Problem slowly gets worse and worse. At some point
> I could only get into 2nd when completely stopped - really annoying when
> doing 45MPH and manage to hit the green left turn arrow onto a street with
> an 8% uphill grade. Had to stop a few times with pissed off people behind
> me while I fiddled the shifter.
>
> One day I drop my son off at preschool, get back into the car, and while
> getting into reverse the shifter goes COMPLETELY slack. Obviously
> something came loose, but I can't see that far under the car without
> jacking it up. @#$%@#! On a whim, I check to see if the transmission is
> still in gear - stuck in 3rd! OK, we can do this... Push the car out of
> its parking spot (thankfully it's a flat area) and drive the 8 miles home
> in 3rd. At least this time the 8% grade is going downhill.
>
> Anyone ever see the shift linkage on an old VW? (yes, I'm talking to you,
> Bob) - what a joke! It's amazing they even work at all. Managed to fix the
> darn thing with some thin sheet metal angle brackets - the mount that
> attaches to the steering column only had the bottom bolt attached (the top
> one wouldn't fit with the manual steering rack) and allowed the whole
> thing to sway back and forth. It eventually fatigued and cracked... Now it
> shifts better than it ever has since I've owned the car :)
>
> -Adrian
>
> On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:09:27 -0700, Ricky Suiter wrote:
>
> > see if I can make it home. I figured out shortly I was locked in 4th,
> > all well. I drove 12 miles home in the rain in one gear, pulled in to my
> > garage at home and just had to laugh. Only in an EV!
> >
> > Turns out the bushing on the shifter itself broke off, it's a common
> > problem on Saturns turns out. Luckily there is an aftermarket bushing I
> > ordered which avoids me having to replace the whole shifter linkage and
> > fixes the weak link.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ricky Suiter
> > Elite Power Solutions LLC
> > 92 Saturn SC Conversion
> >
> >
> >
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Bob Rice
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:20 AM
Rick,

Where did you find the bushings? I ended up breaking the bushings when I
originally converted my Saturn Vue. I searched high and low and could not
find them for the life of me. The only way to get them was to buy the $200
linkage cables that were attached to them! I ended up making by own:
http://justanotherevconversion.blogspot.com/2008/11/just-035-vs-20000.html

Barr
New Hope, PA
www.JustAnotherEVConversion.blogspot.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricky Suiter" <[email protected]>
To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:09 AM
Subject: [EVDL] One of those EV moments - shift cable breaks


> Had to share this before I go to bed tonight. I had one of those EV
> moments today. I went to leave work today, my car parked inside the
> warehouse. I backed normally, got out and locked up the doors, it was
> starting to rain at this point, came back to the car, put it in gear and
> realized the shift linkage had broken on me, the car was stuck in neutral.

> This would normally be a tow it to a shop problem, but the EV doesn't
> necessarily have this problem. I opened the hood, moved the shifter
> linkages around and found some gear, got in and hit the pedal and it
> wasn't reverse! Since I was moving I figured what the heck, lets see if I
> can make it home. I figured out shortly I was locked in 4th, all well. I
> drove 12 miles home in the rain in one gear, pulled in to my garage at
> home and just had to laugh. Only in an EV!
>
> Turns out the bushing on the shifter itself broke off, it's a common
> problem on Saturns turns out. Luckily there is an aftermarket bushing I
> ordered which avoids me having to replace the whole shifter linkage and
> fixes the weak link.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ricky Suiter
> Elite Power Solutions LLC
> 92 Saturn SC Conversion
>
>
>
>
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eBay, where you can buy just about anything!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D12058737265=
4&viewitem=3D&sspagename=3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

Or search for user "saturnbushingman"

He has them CNC made, they're $20, but it's well cheaper than buying new ca=
bles. And yes if you go to Saturn or any other parts supply all they have a=
re the cables. Mine seem ok otherwise so hopefully this will work. I'll let=
you know. By your picture my failure looks identical to yours. Ironically =
the car showed 174999 miles at the time, it just couldn't make it to 175K!

And regarding the comment that it rains in AZ, yes amazingly it does. We ha=
d the worst storm I can remember today with hail so bad it caused damage to=
cars, luckily my EV was left at home parked in the garage. I guess the bro=
ken shifter linkage probably saved the car. The sky light in my home now tr=
uly has a sky view, it busted from quarter size hail. =



Regards,
Ricky Suiter
Elite Power Solutions LLC
92 Saturn SC Conversion


> ------------------------------
> =

> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:10:50 -0400
> From: "Barry Oppenheim" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] One of those EV moments - shift cable
> breaks
> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> =

> =

> =

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf
> Of Bob Rice
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:20 AM
> Rick,
> =

> Where did you find the bushings? I ended up breaking
> the bushings when I
> originally converted my Saturn Vue. I searched high
> and low and could not
> find them for the life of me. The only way to get
> them was to buy the $200
> linkage cables that were attached to them! I ended up
> making by own:
> http://justanotherevconversion.blogspot.com/2008/11/just-035-vs-20000.html
> =

> Barr
> New Hope, PA
> www.JustAnotherEVConversion.blogspot.com
> =

> =

> ----- Original Message ----- =

> From: "Ricky Suiter" <[email protected]>
> To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:09 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] One of those EV moments - shift cable
> breaks
> =

> =

> > Had to share this before I go to bed tonight. I had
> one of those EV =

> > moments today. I went to leave work today, my car
> parked inside the =

> > warehouse. I backed normally, got out and locked up
> the doors, it was =

> > starting to rain at this point, came back to the car,
> put it in gear and =

> > realized the shift linkage had broken on me, the car
> was stuck in neutral.
> =

> > This would normally be a tow it to a shop problem, but
> the EV doesn't =

> > necessarily have this problem. I opened the hood,
> moved the shifter =

> > linkages around and found some gear, got in and hit
> the pedal and it =

> > wasn't reverse! Since I was moving I figured what the
> heck, lets see if I =

> > can make it home. I figured out shortly I was locked
> in 4th, all well. I =

> > drove 12 miles home in the rain in one gear, pulled in
> to my garage at =

> > home and just had to laugh. Only in an EV!
> >
> > Turns out the bushing on the shifter itself broke off,
> it's a common =

> > problem on Saturns turns out. Luckily there is an
> aftermarket bushing I =

> > ordered which avoids me having to replace the whole
> shifter linkage and =

> > fixes the weak link.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ricky Suiter
> > Elite Power Solutions LLC
> > 92 Saturn SC Conversion



=


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I bought my 1994 Saturn new, the only new car I've ever purchased. It has over
200,000 miles (an estimate, the odometer broke at 143,000)
I've often thought about converting it to electric, but it's just to crappy to
do so! It's a manual like all of my other cars, and it's amazing the shift
linkage has never broke. Thanks for the info guys, I may need it in the future,
electric or not (it currently is used as a 'winter car' in Ohio).
The winter car, summer car and neighborhood EV all in one shot :)
http://picasaweb.google.com/rodnhower/350Z#5337339587470618866


----- Original Message ----
From: Ricky Suiter <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 9:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] One of those EV moments - shift cable breaks

eBay, where you can buy just about anything!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120587372654&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT


Or search for user "saturnbushingman"

He has them CNC made, they're $20, but it's well cheaper than buying new cables.
And yes if you go to Saturn or any other parts supply all they have are the
cables. Mine seem ok otherwise so hopefully this will work. I'll let you know.
By your picture my failure looks identical to yours. Ironically the car showed
174999 miles at the time, it just couldn't make it to 175K!

And regarding the comment that it rains in AZ, yes amazingly it does. We had the
worst storm I can remember today with hail so bad it caused damage to cars,
luckily my EV was left at home parked in the garage. I guess the broken shifter
linkage probably saved the car. The sky light in my home now truly has a sky
view, it busted from quarter size hail.



Regards,
Ricky Suiter
Elite Power Solutions LLC
92 Saturn SC Conversion


> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:10:50 -0400
> From: "Barry Oppenheim" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] One of those EV moments - shift cable
> breaks
> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf
> Of Bob Rice
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:20 AM
> Rick,
>
> Where did you find the bushings? I ended up breaking
> the bushings when I
> originally converted my Saturn Vue. I searched high
> and low and could not
> find them for the life of me. The only way to get
> them was to buy the $200
> linkage cables that were attached to them! I ended up
> making by own:
> http://justanotherevconversion.blogspot.com/2008/11/just-035-vs-20000.html
>
> Barr
> New Hope, PA
> www.JustAnotherEVConversion.blogspot.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricky Suiter" <[email protected]>
> To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:09 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] One of those EV moments - shift cable
> breaks
>
>
> > Had to share this before I go to bed tonight. I had
> one of those EV
> > moments today. I went to leave work today, my car
> parked inside the
> > warehouse. I backed normally, got out and locked up
> the doors, it was
> > starting to rain at this point, came back to the car,
> put it in gear and
> > realized the shift linkage had broken on me, the car
> was stuck in neutral.
>
> > This would normally be a tow it to a shop problem, but
> the EV doesn't
> > necessarily have this problem. I opened the hood,
> moved the shifter
> > linkages around and found some gear, got in and hit
> the pedal and it
> > wasn't reverse! Since I was moving I figured what the
> heck, lets see if I
> > can make it home. I figured out shortly I was locked
> in 4th, all well. I
> > drove 12 miles home in the rain in one gear, pulled in
> to my garage at
> > home and just had to laugh. Only in an EV!
> >
> > Turns out the bushing on the shifter itself broke off,
> it's a common
> > problem on Saturns turns out. Luckily there is an
> aftermarket bushing I
> > ordered which avoids me having to replace the whole
> shifter linkage and
> > fixes the weak link.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ricky Suiter
> > Elite Power Solutions LLC
> > 92 Saturn SC Conversion





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