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As many know I go through a-lot of newswires, many of them do not
make it to the list of those I consider worthy of evdl bandwidth use.
Of those laying on the cutting room floor, as-it-were, I see many
news pieces that are so similar that they have to be contrived, and
leads me to believe they were asked for by a sponsor and or an
advertiser.

Example:
http://www.vcstar.com/news/2011/feb/19/living-with-an-electric-car-in-ventura-countythe/
Living with an electric car in Ventura County...the first month

You can read it for yourself, but my focus of this post ...

OK, the title might look interesting, but it is a promotional piece
about GM's pish. There are a lot of these. The city and author names
change, but the wording, story-line intent, and ending summary are
the similar: yes, you should buy one.

If they were truly a unique write up, there should be a mix of pro,
con, and everything in-between.

>From all across the U.S., I find these Easter-egg GM pish stories.
Perhaps a local reading only local media stories would find these
stories interesting. But since all these copycat story lines are so
similar, I can not derive any useful commentary from their news
pieces other than confirming what I already knew:
media personnel, no matter how or where they got their degree in
Journalism, go brain-dead when writing about anything that isn't an
ICE.
Perhaps the editor is tailoring the piece to the advertiser's demands?

I see few of these for the Nissan Leaf, Smart EV, Think EV,
Mitsubishi i-MiEV or the other Production EVs coming out. When Ford
does start selling its Focus EV hopefully later this year, I expect
to see some of these self-promotional pieces but on a small scale
than GM's efforts. GM seems to be spending a lot of money pushing
their pish.

When GM does release their European branding like the Vauxhall Ampera
I might see how many copycat newswires are made in the UK and Europe.
I suspect UK and European readers are wise to GM's tricks and GM will
have to use a different approach.

Please note: huge media outlets re-use their writers work by
re-printing over and over again in every outlet they have. I have to
weed out all the duplicates.

I have to add these self-promotional pieces to the number of unusable
newswires that chew up Internet bandwidth. The majority of those
having been paid-for by Big-Oil: EVs won't work, EVs will burn up the
power lines, poo-poo EV company stocks, 'Bama's-a-boob EV ideas ...
(you get the gist of their hate-talk approach to counter the EV
movement).


Weather report
Before I end this, there was a building of positive useful plug-in
vehicle (EVs and pihs) newswires around December, with its climax
reaching mid way in January 2010 with all the accolades, awards
given out, and lots of everyone patting themselves on the back.

Now, the EV newswires have dwindled. Oh, those negative and self
promotional newswire noise is still quite high, but amount newswires
on the on the growth of the EV movement has not stopped but slowed.

I look at this as a brief calming of the waters and I expect a
continuous supply of occasional spurts of items I can post that will
be of interest to evdl readers.



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As many know I go through a lot of newswires, many of them do not
make it to the list of those I consider evdl bandwidth use worthy.
At one time I was posting a regular EVcharging topic
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=EVcharging

I try to tailor what I post to what viewers are interested in. I
go by the amount of responses/comments, views on the nabble and
diy evdl archives, and what is picked-up and re-fed on twitter and fb
feeds. Its my way of knowing if that topic is using evdl bandwidth
with viewer interest. In the case of EV charging, not so much. So, I
stopped posting them.

I would like to share with you what I see in my newswire searches.
I've already told of the die-down of the media hoopla over EVs since
the release of the Volt pish and Leaf EV. Newswire EV and pih pieces
came back up in amount when U.S. petrol price rose.

As it stands at this point in time, when searching for EV newswires,
the amount of useful pieces is about less that 5%. As before there
are still many paid-for pieces that dis-EVs (gloom and doom, no one
wants them, EVs will end the world as we know it, ... the list is
too great to go on). Those dis-EVs pieces are about 50%.

The 45+% left over are EV Charging pieces (Tampa Fl gets new EV
charging stations, ect.). Folks there is a lot of public EVSE sites
being installed all across the good ol' U.S. of A.

energy.gov EV charging finder site is not a good representation of
what is up and available. Their budget is too low to properly staff
enough to take database updates from EVSE companies fast enough
(meaning the energy.gov database is way behind). Recargo registered
EV drivers are adding sites on a daily basis
http://www.recargo.com/activity
that are not on the energy.gov or the some of the EVSE web sites
(i.e. Coulomb's, etc.).

There is a lot of EV Charging candy that has gone in, and much more
is being installed. Most of these are either EVSE with a dual level
1&2 capability, or level 2 EVSE with regular less-expensive level 1
120VAC 20A outlet(s) installed along side (its cheaper that way).

As many know I am keenly interested in EV charging, but others can
take it or leave it. Personally, I see so many nice post-2010
Production EVs that only have a wimpy half powered charger on-board.

I use the word wimpy as it is my opinion, the rest of the Production
EV is excellent. So, why didn't the manufacturer completed the job by
including an on-board charger that can use all 6+kW of available
power available from U.S. public level2 EVSE sites? Or at least give
the consumer the option to upgrade.

I use the wording half-powered because of all the post-2010 Production
EVs I know of, only the Ford Focus Electric EV has an on-board charger
worthy of the rest of the EV's nice design: it 'can' use all available
power from a level 2 EVSE. Whereas the rest of the Production EVs
(i.e. Leaf, many others, etc.) can only push 3Kw into the pack. That
is half the power that is available to it (!?!).

Even the sweet little T.27 EV I recently posted about
http://evdl.org/archive/#nabble-tt3636169
also comes with a less than half-powered charger ... What gives?

Imagine buying and driving your sweet new ice ride up to a petrol
station, and you take twice as long to fill up. All the impatient
drivers waiting on you to get out of there will glare at you like
you are filling the tank with an eye-dropper. It would be the same
embarrassing situation like when your credit/debit card does not
work at the check out line. Everyone else behind you is
exasperatingly looking to move to the next line over.

I do not think automakers only chose to put the smaller capacity 3kW
charging in because it was cheaper. The 3kW charge fits perfectly for
plugging into a 240VAC Euro power outlet. Most of the world is running
off ~200VAC in some form
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Weltkarte_der_Netzspannungen_und_Netzfrequenzen.svg

So, what we have is a nice EV that is designed to charge in Europe,
Asia, Australia, NZ ... yet it is the U.S. that is screaming like a
stuck-pig for EVs because of their first experience with high petrol
prices (the rest of the world has been paying through the nose for
petrol, but that is OT so let that go).

If you are going to sell an EV or pih in U.S. offer an option to
Americanize the EV to true level 2 6+kW on-board charging. Let U.S.
consumers have an option to upgrade the on-board charger to use all
the power public EVSE can provide.

Perhaps it is Ford that is the wise one of all the Automakers. They
tailor to their demanding customer base. Not only Ford will be
offering an EV with a full-power on-board charger, but they will also
offer a pih, hev and ice versions of the same vehicle. Customers
will choose what they want.

Now if only the Leaf, Smart, and other EV makers had that approach.
I could select the option to remove the wimpy 3kW Leaf
on-board charger for a 6+kW one. Or I could select to do the same
on a Smart and also not 'have-to' lease the Smart but buy the EV,
etc.

What do you think?





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Thanks Dave for your sharing views and Leaf experiences.

My first year in my S-10 Blazer conversion EV back in 1992 was about
the same. It had a 90lb boat anchor Bycan charger on-board that could
only be used as a level 1 overnight charger. My EV did what I needed
it to do, though it was old 90's technology and not as sweet as your
ride. I probably spent most of my time getting to know my EV.

During those first years, there was no public EV charging here in the
Silicon Valley area (South of SF, CA), and I am fairly sure there was
none to be had anywhere else. But after a while, an EV driver learns
where there are permissions to be had to secure access to regular
outlets on the outside edge of my (at the time) 40 mile range.


I had read on the Leaf forum that the U.S. made Leaf EVs would have a
full-powered on-board charger. I look forward to when that happens.


The fast charging level 3 stations just are not being put in. Even the
one that was put in 160 miles North-East of here in Sacramento was
shut down for the same reason more have not been put in: the charging
has not had approval by the forces that be. As you already said,
CHAdeMO level 3 charging has not been adopted by the U.S. There are
other level 3 charging methods vying for the right. The one that wins
makes the profits.


Since it will take some time to sort that out, I am focusing on level
2 charging. Public level 2 EV charging had served me well for the rare
times I would get time off from work to go push my envelope and enjoy
my EV in a non-routine way.

Even though it was the old Avcon EVSE or the even older mcs-100 or
mcs-400 14-50 outlets on a 40A breaker. I used several of those to
be able to go to the NEDRA drags in Sacramento. Or to the Corbin
Sparrow factory tour down South in Hollister. And further South to
Monterey and back leveraging off RV parks.

I had planned to follow in the EV-charging steps of other EV drivers
that were regularly driving their pre-2010 Production ~100 mile EVs
(EV1, Honda+, RAV4-EV) between LA and Sacramento. That is a 400+ mile
trip one way. At the time that would have been quite a challenge for
a conversion EV to attempt.

Though not 'everyone' would want or need the more powerful 6kW charger,
a point of mine is it should be made available as an option. Years ago,
there were vehicle option packages: low-cost manual-tranny with the
small ice, automatic with the V6, or the V8 towing package (for those
who love their boat). I would like options, especially since I would
void the manufacturers' warranty if I installed a beefier charger on my
own.



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On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:07 -0400, "Dave Davidson" <[email protected]>
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> In my first month with my Leaf (just over 1700 miles), I have not
> found the 3.3 kw charger to be a big disadvantage. I normally charge
> at home and drive less than 70 miles a day, so public charging is not
> needed. As public charging is increased and if I start making longer
> trips, I will start using public charging and will have to see how
> well the lighter charger works.
>
> Witt respect to the Leaf, I understand the ones made in Tennessee will
> have the 6.6kw charger. Last I heard, that plant will start up in late
> 2012, so I imagine they will be 2013 models.
>
> One other thing, most Leafs being sold have the fast charge port. Once
> the fast chargers are deployed, the car can be charged to 80% in 30
> minutes. I also understand the Mitsubishi also has the same port.
> Currently, this hasn't been adopted as a US standard, although it has
> been used in Japan for several years.
>
> Dave
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Dave Davidson wrote:
> In my first month with my Leaf (just over 1700 miles), I have not
> found the 3.3 kw charger to be a big disadvantage. I normally charge
> at home and drive less than 70 miles a day, so public charging is not
> needed. As public charging is increased and if I start making longer
> trips, I will start using public charging and will have to see how
> well the lighter charger works.

Same here. Faster charging would be nice in certain cases, but we
haven't encountered one of those cases. We did 110 charging for the
first couple of weeks we had the Leaf and did not suffer from it. We
typically do 80 mile trips, sometimes 90, sometimes 60.

Range is much more of a problem than charge time. Whenever we need to
do more than 100 miles, we have to take the (not air conditioned)
Hyundai.

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Bruce,

My understanding is that the current Leafs are not upgradable. I
remember reading many posts of your Blazer and multiple chargers. I
would like to see all new EVs equipped with a high power charger and
then the ability to control how much current it pulls from the outlet
you plug into. The Mini E had this capability and I believe the Tesla
does too. As best I can tell, the Leaf does not. Especially when the
6.6kw comes out, it would be nice to be able to plug into a lower
capacity outlet if one is available without having to go all the way
down to Level 1. Perhaps a EVSE will come out that can control it
all.

Dave

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, bruce parmenter <[email protected]> w=
rote:
>
> Thanks Dave for your sharing views and Leaf experiences.
>
> My first year in my S-10 Blazer conversion EV back in 1992 was about
> the same. It had a 90lb boat anchor Bycan charger on-board that could
> only be used as a level 1 overnight charger. My EV did what I needed
> it to do, though it was old 90's technology and not as sweet as your
> ride. I probably spent most of my time getting to know my EV.
>
> During those first years, there was no public EV charging here in the
> Silicon Valley area (South of SF, CA), and I am fairly sure there was
> none to be had anywhere else. But after a while, an EV driver learns
> where there are permissions to be had to secure access to regular
> outlets on the outside edge of my (at the time) 40 mile range.
>
>
> I had read on the Leaf forum that the U.S. made Leaf EVs would have a
> full-powered on-board charger. I look forward to when that happens.
>
>
> The fast charging level 3 stations just are not being put in. Even the
> one that was put in 160 miles North-East of here in Sacramento was
> shut down for the same reason more have not been put in: the charging
> has not had approval by the forces that be. As you already said,
> CHAdeMO level 3 charging has not been adopted by the U.S. There are
> other level 3 charging methods vying for the right. The one that wins
> makes the profits.
>
>
> Since it will take some time to sort that out, I am focusing on level
> 2 charging. Public level 2 EV charging had served me well for the rare
> times I would get time off from work to go push my envelope and enjoy
> my EV in a non-routine way.
>
> Even though it was the old Avcon EVSE or the even older mcs-100 or
> mcs-400 14-50 outlets on a 40A breaker. I used several of those to
> be able to go to the NEDRA drags in Sacramento. Or to the Corbin
> Sparrow factory tour down South in Hollister. And further South to
> Monterey and back leveraging off RV parks.
>
> I had planned to follow in the EV-charging steps of other EV drivers
> that were regularly driving their pre-2010 Production ~100 mile EVs
> (EV1, Honda+, RAV4-EV) between LA and Sacramento. That is a 400+ mile
> trip one way. At the time that would have been quite a challenge for
> a conversion EV to attempt.
>
> Though not 'everyone' would want or need the more powerful 6kW charger,
> a point of mine is it should be made available as an option. Years ago,
> there were vehicle option packages: low-cost manual-tranny with the
> small ice, automatic with the V6, or the V8 towing package (for those
> who love their boat). I would like options, especially since I would
> void the manufacturers' warranty if I installed a beefier charger on my
> own.
>
>
>
> {brucedp.150m.com}
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:07 -0400, "Dave Davidson" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> In my first month with my Leaf (just over 1700 miles), I have not
>> found the 3.3 kw charger to be a big disadvantage. I normally charge
>> at home and drive less than 70 miles a day, so public charging is not
>> needed. As public charging is increased and if I start making longer
>> trips, I will start using public charging and will have to see how
>> well the lighter charger works.
>>
>> Witt respect to the Leaf, I understand the ones made in Tennessee will
>> have the 6.6kw charger. Last I heard, that plant will start up in late
>> 2012, so I imagine they will be 2013 models.
>>
>> One other thing, most Leafs being sold have the fast charge port. Once
>> the fast chargers are deployed, the car can be charged to 80% in 30
>> minutes. I also understand the Mitsubishi also has the same port.
>> Currently, this hasn't been adopted as a US standard, although it has
>> been used in Japan for several years.
>>
>> Dave
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The EVSE already controls how much current is allowed to be drawn from
the service connection.

Dave Davidson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> My understanding is that the current Leafs are not upgradable. I
> remember reading many posts of your Blazer and multiple chargers. I
> would like to see all new EVs equipped with a high power charger and
> then the ability to control how much current it pulls from the outlet
> you plug into. The Mini E had this capability and I believe the Tesla
> does too. As best I can tell, the Leaf does not. Especially when the
> 6.6kw comes out, it would be nice to be able to plug into a lower
> capacity outlet if one is available without having to go all the way
> down to Level 1. Perhaps a EVSE will come out that can control it
> all.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, bruce parmenter <[email protected]>=
wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Dave for your sharing views and Leaf experiences.
>>
>> My first year in my S-10 Blazer conversion EV back in 1992 was about
>> the same. It had a 90lb boat anchor Bycan charger on-board that could
>> only be used as a level 1 overnight charger. My EV did what I needed
>> it to do, though it was old 90's technology and not as sweet as your
>> ride. I probably spent most of my time getting to know my EV.
>>
>> During those first years, there was no public EV charging here in the
>> Silicon Valley area (South of SF, CA), and I am fairly sure there was
>> none to be had anywhere else. But after a while, an EV driver learns
>> where there are permissions to be had to secure access to regular
>> outlets on the outside edge of my (at the time) 40 mile range.
>>
>>
>> I had read on the Leaf forum that the U.S. made Leaf EVs would have a
>> full-powered on-board charger. I look forward to when that happens.
>>
>>
>> The fast charging level 3 stations just are not being put in. Even the
>> one that was put in 160 miles North-East of here in Sacramento was
>> shut down for the same reason more have not been put in: the charging
>> has not had approval by the forces that be. As you already said,
>> CHAdeMO level 3 charging has not been adopted by the U.S. There are
>> other level 3 charging methods vying for the right. The one that wins
>> makes the profits.
>>
>>
>> Since it will take some time to sort that out, I am focusing on level
>> 2 charging. Public level 2 EV charging had served me well for the rare
>> times I would get time off from work to go push my envelope and enjoy
>> my EV in a non-routine way.
>>
>> Even though it was the old Avcon EVSE or the even older mcs-100 or
>> mcs-400 14-50 outlets on a 40A breaker. I used several of those to
>> be able to go to the NEDRA drags in Sacramento. Or to the Corbin
>> Sparrow factory tour down South in Hollister. And further South to
>> Monterey and back leveraging off RV parks.
>>
>> I had planned to follow in the EV-charging steps of other EV drivers
>> that were regularly driving their pre-2010 Production ~100 mile EVs
>> (EV1, Honda+, RAV4-EV) between LA and Sacramento. That is a 400+ mile
>> trip one way. At the time that would have been quite a challenge for
>> a conversion EV to attempt.
>>
>> Though not 'everyone' would want or need the more powerful 6kW charger,
>> a point of mine is it should be made available as an option. Years ago,
>> there were vehicle option packages: low-cost manual-tranny with the
>> small ice, automatic with the V6, or the V8 towing package (for those
>> who love their boat). I would like options, especially since I would
>> void the manufacturers' warranty if I installed a beefier charger on my
>> own.
>>
>>
>>
>> {brucedp.150m.com}
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:07 -0400, "Dave Davidson" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> In my first month with my Leaf (just over 1700 miles), I have not
>>> found the 3.3 kw charger to be a big disadvantage. I normally charge
>>> at home and drive less than 70 miles a day, so public charging is not
>>> needed. As public charging is increased and if I start making longer
>>> trips, I will start using public charging and will have to see how
>>> well the lighter charger works.
>>>
>>> Witt respect to the Leaf, I understand the ones made in Tennessee will
>>> have the 6.6kw charger. Last I heard, that plant will start up in late
>>> 2012, so I imagine they will be 2013 models.
>>>
>>> One other thing, most Leafs being sold have the fast charge port. Once
>>> the fast chargers are deployed, the car can be charged to 80% in 30
>>> minutes. I also understand the Mitsubishi also has the same port.
>>> Currently, this hasn't been adopted as a US standard, although it has
>>> been used in Japan for several years.
>>>
>>> Dave
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I think it is nice to have level 2 charging capability. I usually charge
overnight at low current, 6 to 10A, but occasionally I like to drive further
than my ~ 75 mile range will permit. It is nice to be able to stop at an RV
park and charge at 30A in that case. I think level 1 is pretty useless for
charging away from home since it takes so long to add charge. Sometimes you
have enough time though... some friends invited me over for dinner 32 miles
away. I was to arrive about 2 hours just after I returned home from driving
about 48 miles, so I could charge a bit at home and get there but not back.
I charged at home at 25A for about an hour, then charged at their house for
about 3 hours at 12A before returning home with plenty charge to spare.

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At the Davis street park-and-ride location (Vacaville, CA) there is a
CHAdeMO fast charger installed. I was up there a few weeks ago, and it
appeared to be working - gave the proper indications when pushing the
operation buttons (I don't have a vehicle with a fast charge port, so I
couldn't do any further testing). A couple days later, a LEAF owner went
there and said it was off line.

Since then, PG&E appears to have shut down the fast charger, with no
estimated time to repair.

The CHAdeMO level 3 charger at Davis St. was made for the Japanese market,
and designed for 200 volts. PG&E feeds this unit with industrial 208v
power. If the voltage were to stay exactly at 208 volts, the Japanese
CHAdeMO unit would work. The problem is that voltage drifts during the day,
and will occasionally drift higher than the allowable safety window that is
built into the CHAdeMO unit, which turns the unit off.

I wonder if they could be reprogrammed to work with 208 volts, and the
typical voltage swings seen here. I don't know if the voltage window on the
present unit (guessing 190 to 210 volts) is used because of Japanese
electricity regulations/conventions, or because some internal components may
fail at a slightly higher voltage than normally seen there.

Hopefully they'll figure out a way to make these items work here, or build a
new version with the U.S. grid in mind - both 208v industrial power and
household 240v.

Tom Keenan

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The fast charging level 3 stations just are not being put in. Even the
one that was put in 160 miles North-East of here in Sacramento was
shut down for the same reason more have not been put in: the charging
has not had approval by the forces that be. As you already said,
CHAdeMO level 3 charging has not been adopted by the U.S. There are
other level 3 charging methods vying for the right. The one that wins
makes the profits.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAdeMO
...
[images]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CHAdeMO_Vacaville_Davis_St_DC4.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CHAdeMO_Plug_VacavilleDavisStDC2.jpg

http://www.recargo.com/sites/1138
Davis CHAdeMO down, RVs ice EV spots to mooch level outlets

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Thousands-eagerly-await-Voltageville-s-Level3-charger-reopening-tt3514284.html
[PGE states the leve3 station is not yet certified which is why it has been
taken off-line]

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http://www.allcarselectric.com/news/1059953_u-s-carmakers-to-japan-dont-need-your-stinkin-fast-charge
May 13th, 2011 ... According to Adam Egbert of California electric utility
Pacific Gas & Electric, the Underwriter's Laboratory has not yet certified
the CHAdeMO charging station as an approved piece of hardware.

That's why the second such charging station in the country, in Vacaville,
California, has been taken off-line by PG&E, which installed it just a few
months ago as part of an early "test program."

... Craig Childers of the California Air Resources Board (CARB), said it
appears that the U.S. is strongly leaning toward adopting a non-CHAdeMO
charge format quick charging electric and other plug-in vehicles.

That format will be based on an SAE recommendation that provides for a
single, multi-function, interface built into the car, rather than the two
separate plugs now present when a car has both the CHAdeMO and J-1772
connectors.

"Automotive companies are lobbying for only one opening for powering the
car," Childers said, "to allow for cleaner design."

The SAE format has a J-1772 connector embedded in the center of a slightly
larger array of input pins which would all be enclosed by the fast charge
handle surround. It would provide the same 30-minute recharge to 80 percent
of battery capacity.

While this is not yet a "done deal," according to Childers ...
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The SAE should just let the market work it out, like Betamax vs VHS,
or HD vs Bluray. The last thing we need is a totally separate
standard from the rest of the world. My cynical side says this is
another effort to delay the acceptance of the EV in the US. The clean
lines of the Leaf are not impeded by having two separate charging
connectors, so that reason is pure BS. Rather, it seems like the
automakers have the "not invented here" syndrome. And, of course, a
different standard from the rest of the world will just increase the
cost of cars here with the port.

Dave

brucedp5 <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAdeMO
> ...
> [images]
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CHAdeMO_Vacaville_Davis_St_DC4.jpg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CHAdeMO_Plug_VacavilleDavisStDC2.jpg
>
> http://www.recargo.com/sites/1138
> Davis CHAdeMO down, RVs ice EV spots to mooch level outlets
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Thousands-ea=
gerly-await-Voltageville-s-Level3-charger-reopening-tt3514284.html
> [PGE states the leve3 station is not yet certified which is why it has be=
en
> taken off-line]
>
> -
> http://www.allcarselectric.com/news/1059953_u-s-carmakers-to-japan-dont-n=
eed-your-stinkin-fast-charge
> May 13th, 2011 ... According to Adam Egbert of California electric utility
> Pacific Gas & Electric, the Underwriter's Laboratory has not yet certified
> the CHAdeMO charging station as an approved piece of hardware.
>
> That's why the second such charging station in the country, in Vacaville,
> California, has been taken off-line by PG&E, which installed it just a few
> months ago as part of an early "test program."
>
> ... Craig Childers of the California Air Resources Board (CARB), said it
> appears that the U.S. is strongly leaning toward adopting a non-CHAdeMO
> charge format quick charging electric and other plug-in vehicles.
>
> That format will be based on an SAE recommendation that provides for a
> single, multi-function, interface built into the car, rather than the two
> separate plugs now present when a car has both the CHAdeMO and J-1772
> connectors.
>
> "Automotive companies are lobbying for only one opening for powering the
> car," Childers said, "to allow for cleaner design."
>
> The SAE format has a J-1772 connector embedded in the center of a slightly
> larger array of input pins which would all be enclosed by the fast charge
> handle surround. It would provide the same 30-minute recharge to 80 perce=
nt
> of battery capacity.
>
> While this is not yet a "done deal," according to Childers ...
> -
>
>
>
>
>
> {brucedp.150m.com}
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