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You know.... you don't have to "click" on this or Watch it...

After spending 5 days talking to folks about Electric Cars, at the 2008
Seattle Auto Show, AND the environment, and Peak Oil, et.al., I couldn't
help thinking how lop sided the inventory was. I mean the Huge Trucks,
cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small cars would need. People
drooling over the shiny metal, and the and pritty girls draped all over
them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light of our present and near
future situation..

So I took pictures, and created this little ( Very Slanted ) view of
the new line up for 2008. Im sure some will be offended. sorry.....

Comments are welcome, or pass this URL on to other friends...

At YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3qANO86ihU


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Not really that large. These units look small compare what I park with at =

the Cross Roads Caf=E9 truck stop here in Montana, which is my first stop i=
n =

the morning. Some of these pickups, you must use a step ladder to get in. =

One guy pull up with a new GMC pickup that has the new 33 inch wheels on it=
. =

The top of his wheel wells is higher than my El Camino. His old vehicle =

was only 2 years old and most of these guys never haul anything.

I only travel about 1 mile to this Caf=E9 for de bull coffee which is 32 ti=
mes =

stronger then the de calf type. These guys will travel in from the range =

for over 30 miles just to visit and to have coffee.

I could never drive out to my sisters ranch in a baby buggee EV, would neve=
r =

make it in the winter time and trying to go up very step mountain grades, =

driving on dirt paths, through the mud and streams, and through a foot of =

snow. Don't plow the snow unless its over a foot or so.

What I need is a bigger EV.

Roland




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From: "Steven Lough" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR" =

<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: [EVDL] OT and Political: A critical Biased LOOK at New Cars n =

Trucks for 2008


> You know.... you don't have to "click" on this or Watch it...
>
> After spending 5 days talking to folks about Electric Cars, at the 2008
> Seattle Auto Show, AND the environment, and Peak Oil, et.al., I couldn't
> help thinking how lop sided the inventory was. I mean the Huge Trucks,
> cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small cars would need. People
> drooling over the shiny metal, and the and pritty girls draped all over
> them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light of our present and near
> future situation..
>
> So I took pictures, and created this little ( Very Slanted ) view of
> the new line up for 2008. Im sure some will be offended. sorry.....
>
> Comments are welcome, or pass this URL on to other friends...
>
> At YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db3qANO86ihU
>
>
> -- =

> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: [email protected]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
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Thanks for the Look! Good one, Steve! Would like that one on Slime, er, I
mean, Prime Time TV. Go rent from Netflix, " The Crude Awakening" Fits in
this genre, goes back to back with WKtEC, and Inconvenient Truth" I havent
been to any car shows in YEARS, Well, since Honda and Sparrow were there.
Car shows are enough to make you puke, nowadaze!

Seeya

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Lough" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: [EVDL] OT and Political: A critical Biased LOOK at New Cars n
Trucks for 2008


> You know.... you don't have to "click" on this or Watch it...
>
> After spending 5 days talking to folks about Electric Cars, at the 2008
> Seattle Auto Show, AND the environment, and Peak Oil, et.al., I couldn't
> help thinking how lop sided the inventory was. I mean the Huge Trucks,
> cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small cars would need. People
> drooling over the shiny metal, and the and pritty girls draped all over
> them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light of our present and near
> future situation..
>
> So I took pictures, and created this little ( Very Slanted ) view of
> the new line up for 2008. Im sure some will be offended. sorry.....
>
> Comments are welcome, or pass this URL on to other friends...
>
> At YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3qANO86ihU
>
>
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: [email protected]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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Nice Vidieo! Oh I like that one!. Makes me want to go on a raging verbal ra=
nt about how we better get our act in gear!
=

But then, I guess I'm one of the few that notices how we can't breathe at n=
ight when the amosphere pushes the co1 down to the ground.
=

Frankly, I would just like to afford to go to work, that's what my designs =
(and others here) are all about. But I'm singing to the quire here ain't I?
=

BTW I hear the ice melt last year is 50years ahead of scientific expectatio=
ns. We're losing vegitation accross the lower temporate zone. The only good=
news is that the new dust from newly dry areas is reflecting more light. B=
ut that means less water again. hmmmm, NOT good!
=

OK OK, the quire wants to sing, go ahead. Heckelers, well OK we can make yo=
urs the corus!



Arak Leatham - Web and Desktop Systems Developer




Estimating, Point of Sale, Tracking, Reporting Applications> Date: Wed, 7 N=
ov 2007 16:27:28 -0800> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]=
.org; [email protected]> Subject: [EVDL] OT and Political: A critical Bi=
ased LOOK at New Cars n Trucks for 2008> > You know.... you don't have to "=
click" on this or Watch it...> > After spending 5 days talking to folks abo=
ut Electric Cars, at the 2008 > Seattle Auto Show, AND the environment, and=
Peak Oil, et.al., I couldn't > help thinking how lop sided the inventory w=
as. I mean the Huge Trucks, > cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small c=
ars would need. People > drooling over the shiny metal, and the and pritty =
girls draped all over > them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light of =
our present and near > future situation..> > So I took pictures, and create=
d this little ( Very Slanted ) view of> the new line up for 2008. Im sure s=
ome will be offended. sorry.....> > Comments are welcome, or pass this URL =
on to other friends...> > At YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db3qA=
NO86ihU> > > -- > Steven S. Lough, Pres.> Seattle EV Association> 6021 32nd=
Ave. N.E.> Seattle, WA 98115-7230> Day: 206 850-8535> Eve: 206 524-1351> e=
-mail: [email protected]> web: http://www.seattleeva.org> > ________=
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Discussion Starter #5
Oil hit $97 a barrel today. On NPR they went out on a limb and
predicted that it would hit hundred soon, brave souls. Personally I
think $200 is in our near future. I'd hate to be driving one of those
behemoths...



Arak Leatham <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Nice Vidieo! Oh I like that one!. Makes me want to go on a raging verbal =
rant about how we better get our act in gear!
>
> But then, I guess I'm one of the few that notices how we can't breathe at=
night when the amosphere pushes the co1 down to the ground.
>
> Frankly, I would just like to afford to go to work, that's what my design=
s (and others here) are all about. But I'm singing to the quire here ain't =
I?
>
> BTW I hear the ice melt last year is 50years ahead of scientific expectat=
ions. We're losing vegitation accross the lower temporate zone. The only go=
od news is that the new dust from newly dry areas is reflecting more light.=
But that means less water again. hmmmm, NOT good!
>
> OK OK, the quire wants to sing, go ahead. Heckelers, well OK we can make =
yours the corus!
>
>
>
> Arak Leatham - Web and Desktop Systems Developer
>
>
>
>
> Estimating, Point of Sale, Tracking, Reporting Applications> Date: Wed, 7=
Nov 2007 16:27:28 -0800> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]=
va.org; [email protected]> Subject: [EVDL] OT and Political: A critical =
Biased LOOK at New Cars n Trucks for 2008> > You know.... you don't have to=
"click" on this or Watch it...> > After spending 5 days talking to folks a=
bout Electric Cars, at the 2008 > Seattle Auto Show, AND the environment, a=
nd Peak Oil, et.al., I couldn't > help thinking how lop sided the inventory=
was. I mean the Huge Trucks, > cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small=
cars would need. People > drooling over the shiny metal, and the and pritt=
y girls draped all over > them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light o=
f our present and near > future situation..> > So I took pictures, and crea=
ted this little ( Very Slanted ) view of> the new line up for 2008. Im sure=
some will be offended. sorry.....> > Comments are welcome, or pass this UR=
L on to other friends...> > At YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db3=
qANO86ihU> > > -- > Steven S. Lough, Pres.> Seattle EV Association> 6021 32=
nd Ave. N.E.> Seattle, WA 98115-7230> Day: 206 850-8535> Eve: 206 524-1351>=
e-mail: [email protected]> web: http://www.seattleeva.org> > ______=
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Nice slideshow Steve.

Thanks,
Tehben

Steven Lough <[email protected]> wrote:
> You know.... you don't have to "click" on this or Watch it...
>
> After spending 5 days talking to folks about Electric Cars, at the 2008
> Seattle Auto Show, AND the environment, and Peak Oil, et.al., I couldn't
> help thinking how lop sided the inventory was. I mean the Huge Trucks,
> cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small cars would need. People
> drooling over the shiny metal, and the and pritty girls draped all over
> them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light of our present and near
> future situation..
>
> So I took pictures, and created this little ( Very Slanted ) view of
> the new line up for 2008. Im sure some will be offended. sorry.....
>
> Comments are welcome, or pass this URL on to other friends...
>
> At YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3qANO86ihU
>
>
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: [email protected]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
Website: www.helixev.com
evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225

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So what ? Science urgently asks for action, newspapers report about it, Al
Gore makes millions lecturing ... even politicians are squawking. And
nothing happens.

So, to say in the words of George Carlin, who obviously knew that all
along: Since you can't do anything about it, just sit back, relax and
watch the show.

Michaela

> You know.... you don't have to "click" on this or Watch it...
>
> After spending 5 days talking to folks about Electric Cars, at the 2008
> Seattle Auto Show, AND the environment, and Peak Oil, et.al., I couldn't
> help thinking how lop sided the inventory was. I mean the Huge Trucks,
> cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small cars would need. People
> drooling over the shiny metal, and the and pritty girls draped all over
> them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light of our present and near
> future situation..
>
> So I took pictures, and created this little ( Very Slanted ) view of
> the new line up for 2008. Im sure some will be offended. sorry.....
>
> Comments are welcome, or pass this URL on to other friends...
>
> At YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3qANO86ihU
>
>
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: [email protected]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
>
>


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Folks, please stay away from potentially controversial and/or off topic
subjects.

Remember, not everyone here shares your opinion (or mine) about climate
change, peak oil, and the like. However, they DO all share an interest in
EVs. Stick to discussing EVs and things will remain peaceful.

Thanks.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Single person in a 6000 lb (2000 kg) truck that never hauls anything, yep that's a worthy target for criticism.

Blasting high horsepower, shiny metal, and pretty girls? Hold on a moment!

EV or gasser, energy usage (gas mileage) is very closely related to weight in the city, and about half-and-half weight and aerodynamics at high speed. Cut the weight in half, and the gas mileage (or EV range) close to doubles.

Cut the power in 1/2, and the gas mileage improves maybe 3 to 6%. For an EV, the range barely improves if at all (bigger motors and higher voltages are more efficient).

Short story: Big heavy vehicles are 20 times the problem that high horsepower is. If you switched every 6000 pound truck for a 3000 pound Corvette that fuel economy would double. If you took away 1/2 the horsepower of all the trucks and Corvettes you might save 5% fuel, if that.

Don't forget, high horsepower, shiny metal, and pretty girls can also be strong inducements to leave the 6000 pound behemoth for a lighter, more efficient, and even electric cars. Yes, the Tesla has 4 times the horsepower it needs -- but that grabs headlines and helps sell EVs. Yes, John Wayland has destroyed many rear tires, but is a great advertisement for EVs. Tales of my EV1 exploits beating a new Lexus and other cars grab listener's attention much better than talking about how quiet it was. Killacycle? Need I say more?

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... I mean the Huge Trucks,
cars with more horsepower than 3 or 4 small cars would need. People drooling over the shiny metal, and the pretty girls draped all over
them... It seemed like pure Madness... in light of our present and
near future situation. ...




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