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Dennis made some good points about EV conversions, But he missed the big one, starting with a rust bucket is foolish unless you have more money then God. Right now in Wichita you can buy a 2010 Kia for about 9800$, Yes its a shopping cart with bumpers, (almost), but its a brand new car and makes a good "around town " conversion. using 13, 12 volt leads makes it a highway car also, not to far but do-able. and for under 22$K . am I making a living at it, you know I am.

If people want to start a EV business and charge a small amount, that's their business. I charge what I think its worth, and haven't raised my prices in 4 years .
Will McKinny made a very good point also, Shops are closing left and right . why? who knows. maybe its just the times we live in.

Dennis have you ever driven in a S-10 with a 8,000 lb fork lift motor set at 156 volts??? Its violent on the street with full power . I broke a drive shaft and a pinion yoke in mine . dont knock fork lift motors, that's all I could find way back when , at first there weren't any controllers, I had to use the contactor panel . BUT !!!! time marches forward, now we have very neet motors and fire breathing controllers, exotic batteries with exotic prices . The Leaf?? ugly as a toothless mother-in law and will do what us converters are doing now, with out 1/2 billion dollars in R&D .

I still feel the Volt will be pulled and scraped like the EV1. just a feeling I have .It wont do any more in full electric mode that any lead/acid conversion will do . about 40 to 50 miles . It also had 1/2 billion $ in R&D .
The small car/truck EV business needs go grow and move from that venue . I have 2 scissor airport catering trucks coming to me to convert , then aircraft push back tractors this is a wide open field. the push backs need to move a 747 lower weight aircraft. Its also do-able . I am looking at a newer building ,much larger I need the space, this equipment is large . Here is where range is not important at all, just "time on station" .

My last pint to Dennis, why would any one buy a older car/truck, spent a tub of money on it and still have an older vehicle thats now electric. Even though I have done this for customers, over and over. Its their money, they can spend it any way they want . Even me, i built my 82 ElCamino from a barn squatter to a show car, a tub of money?? hell yes but its way damn cool .

I expect a ton of negative response soon LOLOLOL ev-blue.com
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Wayne,

You are almost always on the mark.... My feeling....if people have money to
spend to have me convert their cars, I don't care what the donor car is
(except a hummer as I have a psychological problem with that) as long as
their money is green. I agree with you on the Volt. It was suppose to be
at Carnegie Mellon and according to a friend they cancelled because all of
the Volts were "recalled" back to the factory...

Recalled....already? You have a great vision Wayne!!! How did you
know......


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Dennis made some good points about EV conversions, But he missed the big
one, starting with a rust bucket is foolish unless you have more money then
God. Right now in Wichita you can buy a 2010 Kia for about 9800$, Yes its a
shopping cart with bumpers, (almost), but its a brand new car and makes a
good "around town " conversion. using 13, 12 volt leads makes it a highway
car also, not to far but do-able. and for under 22$K . am I making a living
at it, you know I am.

If people want to start a EV business and charge a small amount, that's
their business. I charge what I think its worth, and haven't raised my
prices in 4 years .
Will McKinny made a very good point also, Shops are closing left and right .
why? who knows. maybe its just the times we live in.

Dennis have you ever driven in a S-10 with a 8,000 lb fork lift motor set at
156 volts??? Its violent on the street with full power . I broke a drive
shaft and a pinion yoke in mine . dont knock fork lift motors, that's all I
could find way back when , at first there weren't any controllers, I had to
use the contactor panel . BUT !!!! time marches forward, now we have very
neet motors and fire breathing controllers, exotic batteries with exotic
prices . The Leaf?? ugly as a toothless mother-in law and will do what us
converters are doing now, with out 1/2 billion dollars in R&D .

I still feel the Volt will be pulled and scraped like the EV1. just a
feeling I have .It wont do any more in full electric mode that any lead/acid
conversion will do . about 40 to 50 miles . It also had 1/2 billion $ in R&D
.
The small car/truck EV business needs go grow and move from that venue . I
have 2 scissor airport catering trucks coming to me to convert , then
aircraft push back tractors this is a wide open field. the push backs need
to move a 747 lower weight aircraft. Its also do-able . I am looking at a
newer building ,much larger I need the space, this equipment is large . Here
is where range is not important at all, just "time on station" .

My last pint to Dennis, why would any one buy a older car/truck, spent a tub
of money on it and still have an older vehicle thats now electric. Even
though I have done this for customers, over and over. Its their money, they
can spend it any way they want . Even me, i built my 82 ElCamino from a barn
squatter to a show car, a tub of money?? hell yes but its way damn cool .

I expect a ton of negative response soon LOLOLOL ev-blue.com
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Well I'd say go for some of the newer cars like the Honda Civic S, Corolla S,
Yaris, Eclipse, and vehicles like that for a few thousand dollars but are
still near new then convert them. Use lithium so its more than just an
around town golf cart. Make it more of a viable vehicle for more than a
grocery getter. Mini's and kit cars and some decent trucks abound. I happen
to like the old VW but not because its just old. There are plenty of old
cars I'd never touch. Our VW Bus is going to be a business vehicle with a
purpose. I'd like to do a Corolla S or Civic S if I could find a new one
with a dead engine. I'd pick the 2010 model because of the style on either
of these and the Yaris I'd settle for a nice 07 or 08 for like 4 grand.
Still nice and practical but with lithium a good commuter vehicle too. I do
happen to like the Leaf but not on it's looks alone. The looks I can pass on
but it would be tolerable. I like it because I can buy it on time. If I
convert one I have to pretty much have most of the money up front and many
in my position just flat out don't have it available and really don't want
to wait for a real nice EV. I can build an ev that will sorta do what the
Leaf does but I guarantee it won't be as nice. Cheaper, yes. As nice hardly.
Warranty, Nope. Leaf, Yes. 8 year on the battery and 10 years on the car. So
yes you can sorta do a leaf and sorta do a decent conversion but it will not
be modern up to date but close. Many do conversions but will do the DC which
is fine in my book but for many it just won't do. You know the perception of
AC vs DC will be hard to break. Many will just insist on AC with regen.
There are also those who just can't find the time to build one or they lack
the skills but have some money. Those are the ones that will buy the Leaf
and when that is in the market others will follow.

I fully agree that the Volt has fizzled. How many advertisements have you
seen in the past year for the Volt? How many for the Leaf? How many folks
have been allowed to pre-order and test drive the Volt? How many for the
Leaf? I have mine ordered and I have driven it and of all the home built
electric vehicles I have not driven one as nice except when we when to drive
the hydrogen powered electric fuel cell cars in Sacramento. Even the Leaf
was more comfortable that that one and a bit quieter too. Don't dis the Leaf
until you have been behind the wheel. I have since building my electric been
in quite a few. Nothing beats the Leaf yet. I am not saying that others have
not built one just as quiet or comfortable but I don't have $25K just
burning a hole in my pocket either. I can afford to buy over time. I just
don't happen to be one of those that makes $200,000 take home per year you
know. I know I fall into a category of millions of people in the US. It's
called the working class and I am in the middle.

Facts are a few can afford to buy outright. But it's the masses we want out
of the gas cars. Not the few rich.

Pete :)

PS. Did I mention the VOLT SUCKS.

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